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Title: suckerpunch?!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 27, 2011, 02:08:24 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=KrIiYSdEe4E

Smoochie goodness?
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Post by: Commander Zane on March 27, 2011, 02:09:58 pm
So far that movie's getting unfavorable reviews from what I've read.
But I intend on watching it anyway.
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Post by: watsisname on March 27, 2011, 02:28:13 pm
I keep hearing that the ratio of good to bad in this movie is really low.  That somehow, a movie about scantily-clad women fighting over-the-top epic battles in a dreamworld managed to not be as entertaining as it should have been.  RT's now giving it only a 20%, which dropped from 30-something a couple days ago.

Still considering it though... friend of mine with fair movie sense is seeing it this afternoon, I'll wait to hear what he thought.
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Post by: redsniper on March 27, 2011, 03:08:31 pm
I get the feeling that it certainly isn't a good movie, but would be entertaining to watch. A good one to just turn off your brain and catch on netflix or rental one day.
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Post by: Flipside on March 27, 2011, 03:10:27 pm
It has Mechs vs Biplanes. If they can't get a decent movie out of that then I'd be very dissapointed :(
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Post by: IronBeer on March 27, 2011, 03:18:00 pm
Saw it a couple days ago with some friends, and we were all very entertained. Not Oscar material, but certainly a good movie.

Lots of critics hate it, and those critics missed the point- there is a fair bit of depth to the film theme-wise, and the action sequences were truly stunning. Don't feel like going into detail here, but I will go on record as saying that the low ratings are misleading.
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Post by: Astronomiya on March 27, 2011, 04:09:08 pm
And I will go on record saying the low ratings are accurate.  The only good parts of the movie are the dream action sequences, which are fantastic.  The rest of the movie sucks.  I did not enjoy the acting or the characters all that much, and the style of the film outside the dream sequences is not the kind of thing I enjoy, I guess; I really found myself going, "Hey, can we get to another dream sequence please?  Pretty please?" during most of the movie.  My recommendation would be to wait for it to come out on Netflix on Blu-ray, get it from there, and then fast forward to the dream sequences, because they really are goddamned amazing.
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Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on March 28, 2011, 03:20:00 am
My sister watched it and told me that it shut her brain off for a few hours.
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Post by: watsisname on March 28, 2011, 03:49:13 am
Is that good or bad?
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Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on March 28, 2011, 03:53:12 am
She thinks it's good.
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Post by: Marcov on March 28, 2011, 04:54:40 am
LOLZ I'm feeling A LOT of realism flaws are gonna show in this movie...
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Post by: Pred the Penguin on March 28, 2011, 04:57:40 am
It seems interesting... for one thing it breaks with tradition by having all main character as female. I'll go watch it.
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Post by: Commander Zane on March 28, 2011, 05:12:48 am
LOLZ I'm feeling A LOT of realism flaws are gonna show in this movie...
Look at Flipside's post.
Mechs. And biplanes.
I'll add to it.
Zepplins. And dragons.

It seems interesting... for one thing it breaks with tradition by having all main character as female. I'll go watch it.
There's also Assault Girls.
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Post by: Pred the Penguin on March 28, 2011, 06:56:48 am

There's also Assault Girls.
Is it any good?
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Post by: Commander Zane on March 28, 2011, 07:05:44 am
It has the same "DIS MUUVYE SUX CUZ IT NOT SRS KTHXBYE" reviews that Sucker Punch is getting, but it's another one of those movies you watch to put your brain on sleep mode and see gunfights and explosions. I haven't seen it myself but the Trailer looks like it's worth a watch.

Also it's a Japanese producer (Ghost In The Shell) so there's things like even more crazy aircraft, mecha, dragon things, Sparkle Magic, etc.
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Post by: BloodEagle on March 28, 2011, 09:21:03 am
it's another one of those movies you watch to put your brain on sleep mode and see gunfights and explosions.

Also it's a Japanese producer (Ghost In The Shell) so there's things like....

No wonder I didn't like Ghost In The Shell. I was watching it the wrong way.  :p
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Post by: PsychoLandlord on March 28, 2011, 10:57:24 am
Yeah, Sucker Punch was entertaining, certainly, but by no means a GOOD movie. Which is totally okay, for me anyway. The Mechs, Biplanes, and Steam Nazis were massively awesome, and thats what I went for.
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Post by: Kolgena on March 28, 2011, 11:06:43 am
It has the same "DIS MUUVYE SUX CUZ IT NOT SRS KTHXBYE" reviews that Sucker Punch is getting, but it's another one of those movies you watch to put your brain on sleep mode and see gunfights and explosions. I haven't seen it myself but the Trailer looks like it's worth a watch.

Also it's a Japanese producer (Ghost In The Shell) so there's things like even more crazy aircraft, mecha, dragon things, Sparkle Magic, etc.

I'm guessing that would explain why there's a white girl in a sailor suit with a katana fighting a samurai with a minigun.

Edit: Whoops, misunderstood who produced what movie. Still, what the heck?
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Post by: Stormkeeper on March 28, 2011, 11:13:58 am
It's not a bad movie per se. Its just ... what's happening before the first dream sequence that was quite confusing for me.

Spoiler:
I didn't understand how did it go from a mental institute to a brothel. Or where did the mob influence come from. Took me a while to understand that it was Baby Doll's projected imagination to cope with the stress of being in the loony bin.

I at least got the meaning of the title in the movie's context though, and the theme of us being in control of our own lives is, while quite cliched, hammered across none to gently.

Also, I have a major thigh-high fetish, so I loved her outfit. But the action scenes were cool too.
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Post by: Flipside on March 28, 2011, 11:18:24 am
It's sort of like the original Star Wars, later on I started thinking about motivations and messages, but the first time I watched it, it was for the pew pew ;)
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Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on March 28, 2011, 11:22:01 am
I started looking for subliminal messages in WALL-E the first time I watched it. Is that a bad thing?
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Post by: watsisname on March 28, 2011, 12:32:32 pm
Quite the contrary, it means you get it.  :p
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Post by: Commander Zane on March 28, 2011, 04:41:36 pm
It has the same "DIS MUUVYE SUX CUZ IT NOT SRS KTHXBYE" reviews that Sucker Punch is getting, but it's another one of those movies you watch to put your brain on sleep mode and see gunfights and explosions. I haven't seen it myself but the Trailer looks like it's worth a watch.

Also it's a Japanese producer (Ghost In The Shell) so there's things like even more crazy aircraft, mecha, dragon things, Sparkle Magic, etc.

I'm guessing that would explain why there's a white girl in a sailor suit with a katana fighting a samurai with a minigun.

Edit: Whoops, misunderstood who produced what movie. Still, what the heck?
Sorry for the confusion, I was explaining Assault Girls. I forgot who did Sucker Punch.
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Post by: Charismatic on March 28, 2011, 08:04:50 pm
My two roomates saw it. They loved it. Said the critics LIE.
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Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on March 28, 2011, 09:40:28 pm
Not everything the critics say should be taken word for word. Even if the critic in question is Roger Ebert, he's bound to have his own take on a film, and hence may not see the film the way its producers meant it to be. Look at The A-Team, for instance. 48% of the established critics on Rotten Tomatoes thought it was good, but 75% of the community thought the same thing.
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Post by: Pred the Penguin on March 29, 2011, 04:48:22 am
Seeing the reactions of people on HLP is not a bad choice IMO. There are bound to be a few people you overlap interests with.
Title: Re: suckerpunch?!
Post by: The E on April 03, 2011, 07:32:04 am
Saw this movie yesterday. Loved it. Because I am not in the mood of typing up a full appreciation of it, let me instead link you to Moviebob's review, which explains it better than I could (http://moviebob.blogspot.com/2011/03/escape-to-movies-sucker-punch.html). I should also add that the Soundtrack is ****ing awesome. Snyder deserves a medal for putting Björk's Army of Me in there.
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Post by: SpardaSon21 on April 03, 2011, 12:08:16 pm
I saw it, loved it, and was blown away by the ending.  "Sucker Punch" is a great title for this movie.
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Post by: NGTM-1R on April 03, 2011, 03:11:34 pm
No wonder I didn't like Ghost In The Shell. I was watching it the wrong way.  :p

...doubtful. :P
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Post by: Mikes on April 03, 2011, 07:46:57 pm
Suckerpunch felt like watching some 2 hour music video on MTV that was sometimes interrupted by what must be the most horrible acting i had to witness this year.

While the action scenes by themselves were done with a high level of technical expertise... the movie utterly fails to properly integrate them into the story in a way that would convey any sense of urgency or suspense to the viewer. The shallow actual narrative and bad acting may also have something to do with it. Which leaves us with an amazingly astonishing feat, which i would not have thought possible before seeing this movie: Ridiculously over the top action scenes... that are utterly boring to watch.

Frankly... I don't know where to begin when listing the flaws of this movie, but what I am certain of is that we have a solid contender for worst movie of the year.

Suckerpunch could described as the product of one of the worst writers on the planet who decided to make a movie after he watched Inception and failed to understand the premise.
When watching Suckerpunch you can get an idea of what the movie would "like" to be...  but it's like a 3 year old trying to retell a complex story.

That people compare this garbage to Star Wars or Ghost in the Shell makes me cringe.
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Post by: UnendingRequiem on April 03, 2011, 08:28:01 pm
Hot girls
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Post by: Mikes on April 03, 2011, 08:35:42 pm
Hot girls

That's about it...  except, way too young? lol

If anyone has seen Idiocracy... they had that silly notion that in the future everyone's IQ would decrease to the point where stupidity runs rampant...  and the newest blockbuster movie in that future was a movie called "Ass"... which involved staring at an actual "Ass" for the duration of the movie which occasionally moved and farted. The audience loved it.

Suckerpunch is very much like that movie, except instead of an "Ass", you have hot girls and explosions.
The  only thing I am still wondering about is whether the actors are really that bad as well or whether they simply had nothing to work with.

A more detailed explanation of why exactly it  does suck so much can be found here: http://www.digitaltrends.com/entertainment/sucker-punch-review/ , here: http://screenrant.com/sucker-punch-reviews-benk-107560/ , here: http://collider.com/sucker-punch-review/82324/ , here: http://www.cinemablend.com/reviews/Sucker-Punch-5162.html or here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/8419362/Sucker-Punch-review.html , or at countless other review sites.
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Post by: Commander Zane on April 03, 2011, 08:59:42 pm
That people compare this garbage to Star Wars or Ghost in the Shell makes me cringe.
Except nobody here is comparing Sucker Punch to Ghost in the Shell, but rather another movie that is like Sucker Punch done by the same person that made Ghost in the Shell.
Read my posts again, that movie is Assault Girls.
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Post by: PsychoLandlord on April 03, 2011, 09:18:47 pm
I'm surprised someone was actually invested in the film enough to give it that much thought. It was kinda obvious going in that you were going for Hot Girls and Explosions. Expecting Shakespeare is a little too much.

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Post by: Commander Zane on April 03, 2011, 09:25:23 pm
I'm surprised someone was actually invested in the film enough to give it that much thought. It was kinda obvious going in that you were going for Hot Girls and Explosions. Expecting Shakespeare is a little too much.


The movie is about Fanservice, after all.
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 03, 2011, 09:55:35 pm
The problem with trying to excuse it because it's supposed to be for the "lowest knuckle dragging denominator"  is that it does actually does attempt to put on airs as being high concept and thought provoking, it just executes them in a boring and mediocre fashion.  Not to mention that while the battle against the Samurai golem and the raid on the steampunk/zombie/death korps of krieg trench line were visually arresting and well executed the other action scenes were messy visual cacophonies.
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Post by: Pred the Penguin on April 03, 2011, 10:33:31 pm
I think I can say with confidence that this film is not for everyone. :lol:
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Post by: The E on April 04, 2011, 01:31:49 am
Hot girls

That's about it...  except, way too young? lol

~20 is too young for you?
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Post by: NGTM-1R on April 04, 2011, 02:32:57 am
I'm surprised someone was actually invested in the film enough to give it that much thought. It was kinda obvious going in that you were going for Hot Girls and Explosions. Expecting Shakespeare is a little too much.

You can do a hell of a lot with hot girls and explosions, and as StarSlayer notes, a good portion of the scenes were actually not well-executed. (Though a good portion were.)

Zack Synder cheated with his previous movies by adapting comic books, so the basic art concerns were already more or less done (or he could drag in the artists to consult on them). Here, he reveals that his own artistic capabilities. They're half Alex Ross and half Rob Liefeld. It's kinda...jarring.
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Post by: zookeeper on April 04, 2011, 03:28:05 am
Watched the trailer, looked like a mediocre cinematic for a generic action game. Booooring. No thanks.
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Post by: Mikes on April 04, 2011, 08:09:21 am
I'm surprised someone was actually invested in the film enough to give it that much thought. It was kinda obvious going in that you were going for Hot Girls and Explosions. Expecting Shakespeare is a little too much.

No one was expecting Shakespeare. The problem is that where other movies at some point reach a bottom and become so bad that they often become funny...  Suckerpunch just keeps going into freefall without ever inducing any kind of emotion other than the desire for it to finally end. Heck compared to this.... Michael Bay IS Shakespeare LOL.

Suckerpunch utterly fails to give any kind of significant meaning to what happens on the screen.... which makes even the most formulaic action B-movie exponentially more watchable than this.


In an attempt to properly convey just how utterly Snyder fails to present an engaging experience I inevitably arrive at the label "anti-movie".
- because aside from visuals and sound it really does pretty much do everything wrong that can imaginably be done wrong in the making of a movie - and especially in the writing of a script.
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Post by: Marcov on April 04, 2011, 09:30:05 am
This reminds me strongly of SGWP2. So much action, almost every second filled up with blowing stuff up, whilst lacking actual plot quality and character development (well the latter actually sucks for most of the FreeSpace series anyway, but in a cool way).

Who would think of having the 80-kill classic German ace Manfred von Richthofen's Fokker DR-1 triplane squashed like that :(.
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Post by: The E on April 04, 2011, 09:33:29 am
Hmm. Have you actually seen the movie?
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Post by: Marcov on April 04, 2011, 09:56:22 am
No. Just te trailer.
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Post by: The E on April 04, 2011, 10:00:30 am
Then let me tell you that that is not sufficient to form any opinion at all about this movie.
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Post by: Marcov on April 04, 2011, 10:08:43 am
Anyone can make an opinion, from the wise and clever to the foolish and idiotic.

There's my opinion.
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Post by: The E on April 04, 2011, 10:12:06 am
Yes. However, there's a difference between voicing a clearly uninformed opinion and getting derision for it, or shutting the hell up until you had the chance to evaluate whatever you have an opinion about properly.
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Post by: Flipside on April 04, 2011, 11:35:56 am
Thing you have to remember about trailers is that if there are only 30 seconds of action in a 2 hour movie, they'll all be in that trailer ;)
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Post by: Marcov on April 04, 2011, 09:09:04 pm
Yes. However, there's a difference between voicing a clearly uninformed opinion and getting derision for it, or shutting the hell up until you had the chance to evaluate whatever you have an opinion about properly.

I sort of have an ability to "sense" what a movie would be like just from the trailer. Usually it works. So, judging by the trailer, I can expect disappointment from the actual movie.
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Post by: Mikes on April 04, 2011, 09:12:43 pm
I sort of have an ability to "sense" what a movie would be like just from the trailer.

What... you can't fly or shoot lasers out of your eyes? What a lousy "ability"! ;)  (sorry couldn't resist )
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Post by: Hades on April 04, 2011, 09:12:49 pm
I sort of have an ability to "sense" what a movie would be like just from the trailer. Usually it works. So, judging by the trailer, I can expect disappointment from the actual movie.
I also have the ability to reach into my ass and pull out **** too man, glad I'm not the only one. :)
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Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on April 04, 2011, 10:50:18 pm
I have the ability to grow and shrink my haemorrhoids without surgery.
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Post by: PsychoLandlord on April 04, 2011, 11:36:18 pm
I sort of have an ability to "sense" what a movie would be like just from the trailer. Usually it works. So, judging by the trailer, I can expect disappointment from the actual movie.

wat
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Post by: NGTM-1R on April 04, 2011, 11:50:11 pm
I sort of have an ability to "sense" what a movie would be like just from the trailer. Usually it works. So, judging by the trailer, I can expect disappointment from the actual movie.

That's like saying you can tell when someone's lying to you.
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Post by: Pred the Penguin on April 05, 2011, 12:16:58 am
I sort of have an ability to "sense" what a movie would be like just from the trailer. Usually it works. So, judging by the trailer, I can expect disappointment from the actual movie.

That's like saying you can tell when someone's lying to you.
That's not a good comparison... Half of that depends on the liar in question.
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Post by: NGTM-1R on April 05, 2011, 01:31:08 am
That's not a good comparison... Half of that depends on the liar in question.

That's an excellent comparison. A trailer's job is to lie to you, to paint the movie as the bestest best thing ever regardless of actual content. Frequently, it's also a trailer's job to cherrypick scenes to appeal to certain audiences to make the movie appear to be a certain type of movie; action commercials on Spike, romance ones on Nick at Nite, etc.
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Post by: zookeeper on April 05, 2011, 01:49:17 am
That's an excellent comparison. A trailer's job is to lie to you, to paint the movie as the bestest best thing ever regardless of actual content. Frequently, it's also a trailer's job to cherrypick scenes to appeal to certain audiences to make the movie appear to be a certain type of movie; action commercials on Spike, romance ones on Nick at Nite, etc.

That's true and while I'll still happily watch trailers, I'll definitely want to see a review or two before deciding to go watch something. I'll never forgive the Rare Exports ads and trailers which conveniently left out the horrifying fact that halfway through the movie it degenerates into a bloody embarrassing and annoying whiny-kid-becomes-hero-and-saves-the-day flick. :banghead:
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Post by: Pred the Penguin on April 05, 2011, 02:46:10 am
That's not a good comparison... Half of that depends on the liar in question.

That's an excellent comparison. A trailer's job is to lie to you, to paint the movie as the bestest best thing ever regardless of actual content. Frequently, it's also a trailer's job to cherrypick scenes to appeal to certain audiences to make the movie appear to be a certain type of movie; action commercials on Spike, romance ones on Nick at Nite, etc.
What I meant was that it's possible to tell if a person is lying... but I see your point.
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Post by: Marcov on April 05, 2011, 05:09:43 am
Well, what? Heavy rock music (if I'm not mistaken), characters who are all action girls, and almost the entire trailer is just full of violence. That'd be enough to describe the movie, don't you think?

I mean, take for example, a Christmas gift. If you shake it and it feels soft, it might be some clothes. If you shake it and it makes loud, hard noises, it could possibly be a gadget or something, if you get my drift. Same goes with the trailer.

Or maybe I'm just a failed trailer-scanner.
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Post by: The E on April 05, 2011, 05:11:54 am
Well, what? Heavy rock music (if I'm not mistaken), characters who are all action girls, and almost the entire trailer is just full of violence. That'd be enough to describe the movie, don't you think?

Except that that's like less than half of the actual plot. While all the elements from the trailer are in the movie, the actual context is something completely different.
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Post by: Mikes on April 05, 2011, 05:27:52 am
Well, what? Heavy rock music (if I'm not mistaken), characters who are all action girls, and almost the entire trailer is just full of violence. That'd be enough to describe the movie, don't you think?

Nope, because even the worst action B-movie i ever had to suffer through had a more engaging narrative than this.

Based on the trailer one might expect a straightforward action movie with a cheap plot, which is completely misleading as it is much MUCH worse than just that.

Seriously... i was actually surprised by this movie; For me it truly redefined how bad and boring something that still calls itself "a movie" can actually be. I was indeed "not prepared" (their advertising slogan LOL).

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Post by: Nohiki on April 09, 2011, 03:45:39 am
I expected more from the story, but the effects are kick ass. Verdict? Good cinema material but on the small screen it kinda sucks.
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Post by: Dilmah G on April 09, 2011, 09:52:51 am
Does anyone know the name of the song that
Spoiler:
Dr. Gorski turns on when Baby Doll dances?
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Post by: The E on April 09, 2011, 10:06:32 am
Army of me, by Björk
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Post by: Dilmah G on April 09, 2011, 08:53:43 pm
Ah, awesome, thanks!

/me proceeds to download the entire soundtrack.