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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Marcov on April 01, 2011, 10:48:26 am
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Sorry for the LULZ in the other thread.
Hopefully we can discuss this in a more civilized way.
No more LULZ but please I hope these unicorns get their asses BFRedded pretty soon. :)
Picking Option#1.
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I'm pretty sure this topic will go nowhere lol
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None of your options adequately convey my opinions, thus Snuffie wins.
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Just remember one thing about a lot porn - some claim they're 18, but do not be deceived.
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Poll options aren't adequate enough. Plus it's impossible to talk about porn with the goddamn unicorns everywhere.
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Poll options aren't adequate enough. Plus it's impossible to talk about porn with the goddamn unicorns everywhere.
Not for those of us with a unicorn fetish.
Oh yeah, use the horn.
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Marcov, out of curiosity, how old are you? These remind me of conversations I had between the ages of 12-13.
Either way, porn is porn, bro. Just don't tell the girly friend about your stash and you'll be fine, eh?
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How do you view porn?
If we have to talk you through it, then you're not old enough. ;D
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Marcov, out of curiosity, how old are you? These remind me of conversations I had between the ages of 12-13.
Either way, porn is porn, bro. Just don't tell the girly friend about your stash and you'll be fine, eh?
unless, yknow, she's into that.
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Jeez, that'd be weird.
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Many women watch and enjoy porn, either on their own or in the context of couples, and it is not particularly weird
(in fact, theories have been advanced that early human societies were polyandrous and that women are biologically adapted for multiple rapidly sequential matings, whereas men are adapted to be aroused by watching women have sex with other men)
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Interesting. Well, I'm yet to invite the girlfriend over to watch porn on a Friday arvo. ;)
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me and my brothers ex wife used to webcast live porn, it was kinda fun. so if you see an evil looking guy banging a fat chick, theres a good chance it was us.
and if thats not reason enough to not watch porn, i dont know what is.
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I assume you view it on a television or monitor.
/me deftly eludes the vaudeville hook
In any case while I don't generally partake, I find it pretty mechanical and unfeeling, you must respect it as an important driver in the advancement of technology.
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Yeah, porn is pretty boring. I honestly don't know how something with such an enormous market hasn't done a better job of tailoring itself to demand.
Humans are social animals and demand context - the enormous proliferation of romance novels makes that clear; they're essentially context porn. But your standard fare is pretty weak in that respect. Sturgeon's Law also applies.
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My gosh, acting in porn. Urrrrgh.
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I like it because I'm a lonely guy who doesn't get nearly the physical contact he desires- but it is an insufficient substitute. I could just stop watching it and be in exactly the same place, but I kind of like the simulation.
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Marcov, out of curiosity, how old are you? These remind me of conversations I had between the ages of 12-13.
Certainly it increased when I was 13, I became a stalker, but gave it up due to the time constraints I had.
If you want to know my age, look at my Profile :p.
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Yeah, porn is pretty boring. I honestly don't know how something with such an enormous market hasn't done a better job of tailoring itself to demand.
My gosh, acting in porn. Urrrrgh.
I can actually answer this via people I know.
Basically, being involved in the industry, and especially being an actor, is about as close to one's conception of hell as you would care to experience. The necessity of multiple takes over long periods and other things that go into filming reduce an otherwise fun and interesting activity into an endurance saga that is frequently incredibly painful, despite the fact that the actors are often performing under the influence of mild to serious local anesthetics and even mild sedatives depending on what's being done for the video.
The reason porn looks awful most of the time is because it is awful for damn near everyone involved. When it looks better it's something of a minor miracle.
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Wow, that sucks.
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Marcov, out of curiosity, how old are you? These remind me of conversations I had between the ages of 12-13.
Either way, porn is porn, bro. Just don't tell the girly friend about your stash and you'll be fine, eh?
my girlfriend would like to whack you over the head with a stick and steal your porn stash.
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Well she could just have asked. :D
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:D :D :D
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I don't watch porn because I don't like to support that industry.
I know it doesn't apply to all parts of the industry, but how many people involved in this are just people trading their dignity for next month's rent?
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That applies to so many jobs and people, it's not funny.
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I don't watch porn because I don't like to support that industry.
I know it doesn't apply to all parts of the industry, but how many people involved in this are just people trading their dignity for next month's rent?
Playing devils advocate here... but most of the arguments i heard here (underage, exploitation, etc.) could be taken care of by watching only porn featuring "Milf" Pornstars who already made a career in the industry and earn ****loads of money eh? And as far as "exploitation" goes... what about child labour in third world countries or worker exploitation (and consequently suicides) in China?
Exploitation is bad, no argument, but porn is hardly the only business where exploitation happens. If thats the only argument then I don't see how buying porn is any different than buying a Foxconn motherboard or an Ipod from a purely objective viewpoint - leaving the fact that we all consider what happens in porn is kinda naughty aside ;)
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Porn is sometimes cool, but my attention span says I get bored quickly, so I close it and start playing SGWP2.
When I was a kid it was funny, tho.
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That applies to so many jobs and people, it's not funny.
And as far as "exploitation" goes... what about child labour in third world countries or worker exploitation (and consequently suicides) in China?
Yeah, and I don't like it that it happens there either.
But it's like having a legal multi-billion dollar sweatshop industry in the West. Again, not saying it applies to everyone involved in the industry, but some people who do porn and then want to move on with their lives have that experience hanging over their heads (and it's not likely a pleasant one from their viewpoint), and they know that at any point, some guy or girl out there somewhere is going to be watching that moment and getting a thrill out of it. Especially if it's on the internet, because once it's there, that **** stays there.
And while it doesn't apply to everyone who watches it, people do get addicted to pornography. Their fantasies get more and more elaborate, and the need to live out those fantasies overwhelms, say, the need for a meaningful relationship. And if they do ever get involved with a significant other and still have those fantasies, it can end up hurting that innocent person who neither watched nor participated in the porno.
It's like anything else you can get addicted to; if you let it get out of control, it can ruin not only your own life but others' as well. People will watch porn no matter what I say, but I'm not going to have any part of it.
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Nuclear1 +1
It's an industry I would love to see wither and die.
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It's origins go a very very very long way back though...
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That applies to so many jobs and people, it's not funny.
And as far as "exploitation" goes... what about child labour in third world countries or worker exploitation (and consequently suicides) in China?
Yeah, and I don't like it that it happens there either.
But it's like having a legal multi-billion dollar sweatshop industry in the West. Again, not saying it applies to everyone involved in the industry, but some people who do porn and then want to move on with their lives have that experience hanging over their heads (and it's not likely a pleasant one from their viewpoint), and they know that at any point, some guy or girl out there somewhere is going to be watching that moment and getting a thrill out of it. Especially if it's on the internet, because once it's there, that **** stays there.
And while it doesn't apply to everyone who watches it, people do get addicted to pornography. Their fantasies get more and more elaborate, and the need to live out those fantasies overwhelms, say, the need for a meaningful relationship. And if they do ever get involved with a significant other and still have those fantasies, it can end up hurting that innocent person who neither watched nor participated in the porno.
It's like anything else you can get addicted to; if you let it get out of control, it can ruin not only your own life but others' as well. People will watch porn no matter what I say, but I'm not going to have any part of it.
Well devils advocate again: Some people eat too much chocolate/fastfood etc., grow fat (certified relationship killer) and even die from adiposa.
(Not even having mentioned what happens when you too many consume cigarettes or too much alcohol... how about an alcoholic beating his children for hurting innocent bystanders?)
As far as the multibillion dollar corporations go... you could even argue that the American porn industry has "some" moral highground (we would definitely have to look at individual companies and practices here, as likely we both are right - and wrong - depending on the company) as it doesn t participate in aggressive offshoring and low wage country exploitation quite as much as some other companies do that you certainly already bought several products from. ;) Just look at the stickers of the components in your computer and we re likely to already find several culprits lol.
Also... keep in mind... while the "worst case" conditions may certainly be dire (but so they are in several other industries)... there is a rather significant difference: if you look for the most successful "sweatshop workers" you are still looking at a poor sods who can t afford anything... if you however look at successful American Pornstars, you are looking at a millionaires who are able to afford an ultraexpensive lifestyle. The Sweatshop analogy doesn t really fit... or rather focuses on a very specific segment of that industry while ignoring everything else.
In summary: Anything can be dangerous if it gets out of control, as you yourself said. Furthermore, there are also businesses that exploit humans in need just as much or even much more than the porn industry.
Addiction needs to be avoided and exploitation needs to be shut down no matter which industry it occurs in (and good luck with that, with even Apple being guilty and a huge percentage of other computer parts being manufactured in low wage countries as well)... so why does porn deserve special attention other than .... "but but but... it's naughty!!" ;)
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I see arguments against mainstream "big business" porn here. I'm surprised people still bother with it, it's pretty horrible. Most enjoyable porn tends toward amateur now.
Of course, I've never paid for any porn.
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Of course, I've never paid for any porn.
I've always wondered who does. There's such an incredible plethora of free (and legal, mind you) porn on the internet that I can't imagine why someone would bother wasting their time and money.
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"Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man."
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I've always wondered who does. There's such an incredible plethora of free (and legal, mind you) porn on the internet that I can't imagine why someone would bother wasting their time and money.
I do. I support the performers I like, the directors I like *shameless-friend-plug Tristan Taomabadabao* and the studios that go beyond the minimum legal level in regards to the health and safety of their employees. Plus, it is Awesome. As far as the exploitative argument goes, amateur porn of any stripe is more exploitative than big business productions, its not the 80s and 90s anymore.
Circling back to 'why people don't use free porn on the internet', ignorance it exists, lack of quality of content and fear of getting evil viruses that will steal your credit and mortgage your home from searching for it probably covers everyone out there, I'd think.
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but how many people involved in this are just people trading their dignity for next month's rent?
The irony of this statement is that porn is one of the few jobs (even over standard working the floor at retail) where this perception of "trading their dignity" could be entirely eliminated.
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I see arguments against mainstream "big business" porn here. I'm surprised people still bother with it, it's pretty horrible. Most enjoyable porn tends toward amateur now.
Of course, I've never paid for any porn.
same. industrialized porn is always the same. its never creative, everything is surgically altered or worn out to some disgusting degree. they enforce racial stereotypes (seriously try to find non-interracial fat girl porn). i think the best porn comes when 2 people in a relationship set up a couple of cameras on tripods and record some sex tape, then upload it to |redacted| for no monetary gain at all (do it for fun). or perhaps try to sell it on there own to make some extra cash. amateur porn always seems more natural and more realistic to me. and thats how i think porn should be.
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While some here say that pornography can increase one's sexual fantasies, and therefore eventually make him/her a complete pervert, the entire effect of porn on humanity is still debatable by sociologists, don't you think?
I mean, if you didn't have a computer, couldn't spend into an Internet Cafe/whatever, and you get horny (and lol perhaps masturbation is not enough), and you didn't have a sexual partner, what would you do? Go pay a whore or something...that's what some do.
Shouldn't you rather watch porn than do the said above?
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While some here say that pornography can increase one's sexual fantasies, and therefore eventually make him/her a complete pervert, the entire effect of porn on humanity is still debatable by sociologists, don't you think?
I mean, if you didn't have a computer, couldn't spend into an Internet Cafe/whatever, and you get horny (and lol perhaps masturbation is not enough), and you didn't have a sexual partner, what would you do? Go pay a whore or something...that's what some do.
Shouldn't you rather watch porn than do the said above?
Or, heaven forbid, exercise some self control. It's not that/i] hard.
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I mean, if you didn't have a computer, couldn't spend into an Internet Cafe/whatever, and you get horny (and lol perhaps masturbation is not enough), and you didn't have a sexual partner, what would you do? Go pay a whore or something...that's what some do.
Shouldn't you rather watch porn than do the said above?
If it gets to the point where you need porn to get off, or else you'd go find a hooker, then you honestly are at the point where you need to seek some psychiatric help.
I had to get help for my addiction.
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i mostly watch porn to save time. it essentially allows me to half the time it takes me to take care of buisness. so i can get it done and go do something else.
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If it gets to the point where you need porn to get off, or else you'd go find a hooker, then you honestly are at the point where you need to seek some psychiatric help.
I had to get help for my addiction.
And that s worse than - for instance - eating disorders or alcoholism... how?
If you give it some thought, you will find that people get addicted and need help over much more serious matters than mere porn.
If that is the standard to judge anything by, then you would have a huge list of other problems to adress, with several of them being much more severe.
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And that s worse than - for instance - eating disorders or alcoholism... how?
If you give it some thought, you will find that people get addicted and need help over much more serious matters than mere porn.
If that is the standard to judge anything by, then you would have a huge list of other problems to adress, with several of them being much more serious.
I never said any of those are less deserving of attention. They're all problems that can ruin lives and need to be taken equally as seriously.
You can say that addiction to porn and sex isn't a big problem if you haven't been in that situation. When your mind is focused on nothing but having sex and watching porn, your relationships suffer and job performance drops the same as if you went through a day desperate for a smoke or a drink.
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Anything is addictive; but it's only a problem if it's a problem. Smoking is nearly always detrimental to one's body for instance, but I fail to see how porn can begin to be detrimental to one's life.
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I never said any of those are less deserving of attention. They're all problems that can ruin lives and need to be taken equally as seriously.
You can say that addiction to porn and sex isn't a big problem if you haven't been in that situation. When your mind is focused on nothing but having sex and watching porn, your relationships suffer and job performance drops the same as if you went through a day desperate for a smoke or a drink.
And yet there are millions of people - the huge huge majority matter of fact - who can enjoy a drink and never become an alcoholic or have other issues... same with porn - which was kind of the point.
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my whole view on addiction is that its merely a symptom of a much bigger problem. you can get over that addiction, but it wont fix the thing that facilitated its existence in the first place.
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my whole view on addiction is that its merely a symptom of a much bigger problem. you can get over that addiction, but it wont fix the thing that facilitated its existence in the first place.
What is your view on the problem? I kind of look at it as a lack of fulfillment in some way; or a whole where nothing is if you will.
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Anything is addictive; but it's only a problem if it's a problem. Smoking is nearly always detrimental to one's body for instance, but I fail to see how porn can begin to be detrimental to one's life.
When it's used as a coping mechanism to avoid having to deal with your problems, it becomes a huge problem.
It's not necessarily just porn that leads to problems, it's the need for sexual thrill that leads people to do unhealthy things with their lives; the mind gets used to a certain level of sexual excitement, forcing the person to seek riskier and kinkier sex to satisfy their urges. Getting hookers, abusing their significant others, becoming unable to connect with others on deeper levels.
And yet there are millions of people - the huge huge majority matter of fact - who can enjoy a drink and never become an alcoholic or have other issues... same with porn - which was kind of the point.
And my point was that there are people whose lives are ruined by addiction to sex, the same as people who abuse alcohol or have eating disorders.
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my whole view on addiction is that its merely a symptom of a much bigger problem. you can get over that addiction, but it wont fix the thing that facilitated its existence in the first place.
What is your view on the problem? I kind of look at it as a lack of fulfillment in some way; or a whole where nothing is if you will.
i always think its some sort of psychological condition that induces the vulnerability to becoming addicted to something. my concern is that the addiction is being treated as a disease, when it fact its just a symptom of something else. its like getting the flu and taking something for the nausea. you might not feel like vomiting anymore, but you still have the flu. what the condition is likely varies from person to person, perhaps a manifestation of some kind of traumatic event, a mild personality disorder, or something worse.
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Hmmm...how many of regular porn viewers are actually porn addicts?
On another part, I personally think that being a drunkard or smoker is worse than a porn addict. Both can ruin oneself BOTH physically and mentally whereas porn can ruin oneself only mentally.
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i dont know, having one arm heavier than the other could lead to back discomfort.
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True, true. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKrUhuLXkIM)
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Hmmm...how many of regular porn viewers are actually porn addicts?
If they're a regular viewer, there's a chance they're probably addicted.
But regular is relative. A couple of times a week doesn't necessarily make an addict, but regularly as in five times a day, much moreso.
On another part, I personally think that being a drunkard or smoker is worse than a porn addict. Both can ruin oneself BOTH physically and mentally whereas porn can ruin oneself only mentally.
Until you can't satisfy your sexual urges through porn, and you go out and get a hooker. Then you've got the risk of an STD.
One isn't worse or better than the other. They're all symptoms of deep-seated emotional and mental issues and need to be treated as life-threatening. And if you don't care enough about yourself to get treatment, you need to consider all of the other people in your life that you're affecting through it.
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Until you can't satisfy your sexual urges through porn, and you go out and get a hooker. Then you've got the risk of an STD.
One isn't worse or better than the other. They're all symptoms of deep-seated emotional and mental issues and need to be treated as life-threatening. And if you don't care enough about yourself to get treatment, you need to consider all of the other people in your life that you're affecting through it.
"... until you can t control your drinking anymore... and beat your children/wife... or drive while under the influence and kill yourself or worse: someone else" - I d say that scenario is much worse than anything related to "watching porn" can do.
So are we reaching the point where can agree that while addiction is always a problem - no matter what you are addicted to - ... watching porn is potentially much less harmful than booze ? ;)
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In some cases, yes I agree with you.
Alcohol can cause more damage from the results of what you do under the influence, but raging hormones and the need for sexual thrill can cause you to get overly-aggressive in bed (can't go into details BECAUSE THIS IS A FAMILY SITE DAMMIT :p ), and can cause severe emotional distress to not only you but your friends, family, and significant other.
The two are too different to really say one is worse than the other, since the damage done by each is so vastly different. But yes, I will concede that sex addiction isn't likely to cause you to die in a car accident (well...nevermind, family forum, can't go there :p ).
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With the speakers down.
(sorry)
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Alcohol can cause more damage from the results of what you do under the influence, but raging hormones and the need for sexual thrill can cause you to get overly-aggressive in bed (can't go into details BECAUSE THIS IS A FAMILY SITE DAMMIT :p ), and can cause severe emotional distress to not only you but your friends, family, and significant other.
So watching porn makes people abuse their spouses in bed? ... right. What I can see, is how an aggressive and abusive person would look for all kinds of things to blame their behavior on - other than themselves.
(So much better to say "Porn did it" and be the victim instead of having to face up to the fact that they are an a**hole who likes to hurt others, right?)
I m afraid to me your argument sounds more like another case of implying causation merely because of correlation. ( - if there even is correlation.)
... unless you got some conclusive studies to back up that wierd claim, I m just gonna call major Bull**** and leave it at that.
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Alright, worded that badly.
What I mean is when someone isn't satisfied with their sex life with their partner, they'll turn to porn for something stronger or more potent to help them get off. Since they know that's what gets them going, next time they get into bed with their partner, they turn to what they see in porn that gets them off. So all of a sudden that person's partner gets surprised when there's a hand around their neck or they're getting spanked.
'Abuse' was a strong word, but my point stands. The person watching porn isn't open with their partner and isn't open with them about their changing sexual fantasies, and they end up surprising the partner.
And yes, it can be because that person is just an asshole for not telling their partner, and it's not all porn's fault. But it still takes an asshole to beat his wife after drinking too much as well.
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Alright, worded that badly.
What I mean is when someone isn't satisfied with their sex life with their partner, they'll turn to porn for something stronger or more potent to help them get off. Since they know that's what gets them going, next time they get into bed with their partner, they turn to what they see in porn that gets them off. So all of a sudden that person's partner gets surprised when there's a hand around their neck or they're getting spanked.
'Abuse' was a strong word, but my point stands. The person watching porn isn't open with their partner and isn't open with them about their changing sexual fantasies, and they end up surprising the partner.
And yes, it can be because that person is just an asshole for not telling their partner, and it's not all porn's fault. But it still takes an asshole to beat his wife after drinking too much as well.
The problem or "cause" in that case is that they are not satisfied with their sex life and are unable to communicate that fact to their partner.
Turning to porn is "one" of the results... and matter of fact I would say the partner in question may be lucky if that person just turns to porn... because other men with that "problem" often are stupid enough to seek out a prostitute or find a lover to live out their fantasies.
Porn will of course not solve a problem (lol?), but claiming that porn in this case is the "cause" of the ensuing emotional discomfort or awkwardness on the partners part is simply wrong.
The idiot and his inability to communicate what he wants is the cause, compounded by his inability to control what he does to his partner when they make love.
So my point stands as well: Besides the just mentioned sexual dissatisfaction in a relationship, the inability to communicate with ones partner and the inability to refrain from inconsiderate actions while having intercourse, what else shall we blame on porn to make us feel better ? ;)
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I reckon all of the votes for "disrespect of the opposite sex" were cast by females.
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Doubt it, from what I know, last female on this forum was banned some time ago.
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Nope, there is no reason to ban Sara.
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I reckon all of the votes for "disrespect of the opposite sex" were cast by females.
No, I think unicorns are sexy and wait, there are four other women here?
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I reckon all of the votes for "disrespect of the opposite sex" were cast by females.
No, I think unicorns are sexy and wait, there are four other women here?
situation on HLP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wl_uQOABxg
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I reckon all of the votes for "disrespect of the opposite sex" were cast by females.
I'd say you're discounting the High Max vote, but he's banned.
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It seems no one has mentioned gaming addiction. :nervous:
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if you alternate your vices you will never get addicted to anything. so booze on fridays, crack on saturdays, weed on sundays, lsd on mondays. sex on tuesdays, heroin on wednsdays, meth on thursdays. you will never get addicted to any of them. you might always be broke and you might not live very long but at least you wont have an addiction.
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I reckon all of the votes for "disrespect of the opposite sex" were cast by females.
The opposite sex was where i first heard this. It sort of conveniently places one sex above the other. I would argue why not disrespect for both sexes? In general i find it to be a colorful misleading communication of disgust and disapproval of porn.
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It seems no one has mentioned gaming addiction. :nervous:
There's a good method that makes you shake that one. It's called getting a job :P
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It seems no one has mentioned gaming addiction. :nervous:
There's a good method that makes you shake that one. It's called getting a job :P
There's been reported cases where gaming addictions, especially online gaming addictions, caused the loss of a job, which may have to do with the pavlovian training models some of these games use to keep their playerbase busy and paying 15$ a month ;) ... I would say however... that while this is an excellent topic, it might be a topic for it's own thread?
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I would argue why not disrespect for both sexes?
I tend to agree. If you're going to argue that it's disrespectful to women to reduce them to a collection of naughty bits then it's surely just as disrespectful to reduce the guy to only one.
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It's just a bloody mess. The fact that the whole porn industry lacks so many quality in its content is a clear indication of the utter lack of any principles those guys have except for the cash at the end. Personally, when I need a "fix" of porn, or are just funnily curious, I tend to go for hentai. At least in hentai there is some attempt at creating something artistic, out of the ordinary, something novel. Well, some of the times anyway. Most porn is just dull and painful to watch.
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You want good porn that actually knows it's spoofing a great original feature. Then i recommend "edward penis hands" and "flesh gordon". Apparently these two are like what i said, the people making these actually made pretty decent porn spoofs out of them.
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I know there was a spoof of the Pirates movies that was so well-received, they released an edited version with the naughty bits cut out for people who just wanted to watch it for some laughs. :p
As far as the topic at hand goes, pretty much all of the "professional" stuff I've seen is either hilarious or an active turn-off. It's all stupid "sexy" expressions and faked noises. I'd much rather have something where the people are legitimately enjoying what they're doing, which seemingly can only be found in more amateur or "natural" material. There's a lot in the realm of hentai manga that tells legitimate stories about couples who actually love each other, too. Granted, that stuff's usually stereotypical as hell in its own way, but at least the stereotypes are generally much more enjoyable.
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I've watched porn that in which the woman/women involved sounded like Emus, or perhaps mating turtles.
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Kind of like Maria Sharapova playing tennis, then? :p
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I've watched porn that in which the woman/women involved sounded like Emus, or perhaps mating turtles.
Mating turtles sound hilarious. :lol:
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This gets me so hot. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY)
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Oh wow that was incredible. :lol:
Should we now start a debate on animal porn. :rolleyes:
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How about Navi porn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6x6_L5--3M (LOL)
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Not as amusing to me. :blah:
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How about Navi porn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6x6_L5--3M (LOL)
Sorry but mine was way more arousing*
*disclosure i am a rare parrot
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Not as amusing to me. :blah:
Well to me the amusing part was not really the trailer, but rather the fact that there actually is an Avatar porn movie. ;)
On an unrelated note, i find it quite amusing that the poll option "Why watch porn, when you can make it" comes out third, or even second (if you discount the nonanswer)... must be the "Let's do it yourself" modders spirit on these forums? LOL
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I would argue why not disrespect for both sexes?
I tend to agree. If you're going to argue that it's disrespectful to women to reduce them to a collection of naughty bits then it's surely just as disrespectful to reduce the guy to only one.
i kinda fail to see how that video of two doms zapping a guys penis with a stun gun could be construeded as degrading to women. there are lots of things in porn degrading to men as well.
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Yep, that's why the whole "Degrading to women" argument has always been a huge non-starter for me. If you're saying it you obviously have an axe to grind of some sort which then makes the rest of your argument suspicious.
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The "disrespect for opposite sex" doesn't necessarily apply only to women, that's why it's called "opposite sex", not "women".
Does this mean that a number of HLP members are actually pornographers (a number voted the "why watch porn when you can make it" option)?
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The "disrespect for opposite sex" doesn't necessarily apply only to women, that's why it's called "opposite sex", not "women".
Do you honestly believe that the only people who watch FemDom stuff are women?
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Does this mean that a number of HLP members are actually pornographers (a number voted the "why watch porn when you can make it" option)?
that option was put there for those who have created amateur porn. sometimes forum members are subject to rule 34/35.
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Yep, that's why the whole "Degrading to women" argument has always been a huge non-starter for me. If you're saying it you obviously have an axe to grind of some sort which then makes the rest of your argument suspicious.
I think it's not unfair to say that women get it way worse than men in pornography, mostly because the main clients of porn are males, after all. The degradation comes right through the practices pictured in the movies, with gangbangs, anal, forced felatios, and the ubiquituous "milk over yo face *****", which is absolutely degrading. The next fantasy, the drinking of semen, only a male that would never imagine himself doing just that would appreciate it.
And this assymetry is so disgusting that I really avoid overall porn.
I don't think that there are symetrical degradations over the other sex. And this is blatantly obvious and doesn't require any axe to grind to find it out. Just, you know, basic empathy towards women.
The "disrespect for opposite sex" doesn't necessarily apply only to women, that's why it's called "opposite sex", not "women".
Does this mean that a number of HLP members are actually pornographers (a number voted the "why watch porn when you can make it" option)?
I didn't vote that way, but I believe that people thought of that option as a "I'd rather be ****ing than seeing other people ****ing".
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I think it's not unfair to say that women get it way worse than men in pornography
This is probably true - it's easy to quantify that viewing porn has a more deleterious effect on short-term attitudes towards women than men (though not easy to do this in the long term.)
However, then you said something silly
mostly because the main clients of porn are males, after all. The degradation comes right through the practices pictured in the movies, with gangbangs, anal, forced felatios, and the ubiquituous "milk over yo face *****", which is absolutely degrading. The next fantasy, the drinking of semen, only a male that would never imagine himself doing just that would appreciate it.
I hate to tell you bro but there are perfectly healthy women who consider all these things enjoyable and arousing. Men love group sex, women love group sex, men love domination/submission, women love domination/submission, anal's pleasurable for both sexes. None of those things are inherently wrong or degrading. Hahaha drinking semen is supposed to be inherently disgusting somehow? You'll probably get more fluids doing oral on a woman. Hell, there are even oral techniques for women which involve passing the semen back to the man with a kiss if you're feeling guilty about it or something.
Sex gets pretty kinky. The problems with porn and the treatment of women aren't inherent to any of these sexual practices. Rather they're generally resident in the framing narratives or in cultural attitudes towards sex - for example, that women are chaste gatekeepers and men are promiscuous stallions. It's not as if most porn doesn't objectify the men as much as the women; they're basically spear carriers (hurr hurr). But porn does tend to be shot with a distinctly male gaze.
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Yep, that's why the whole "Degrading to women" argument has always been a huge non-starter for me. If you're saying it you obviously have an axe to grind of some sort which then makes the rest of your argument suspicious.
I think it's not unfair to say that women get it way worse than men in pornography, mostly because the main clients of porn are males, after all. The degradation comes right through the practices pictured in the movies, with gangbangs, anal, forced felatios, and the ubiquituous "milk over yo face *****", which is absolutely degrading. The next fantasy, the drinking of semen, only a male that would never imagine himself doing just that would appreciate it.
And this assymetry is so disgusting that I really avoid overall porn.
I don't think that there are symetrical degradations over the other sex. And this is blatantly obvious and doesn't require any axe to grind to find it out. Just, you know, basic empathy towards women.
I'd have to point out that "porn is degrading to women" is simply a very inaccurate oversimplification.
There is porn that is degrading to women, certainly. There is also porn that is just as degrading to men however. More to the point, there is also porn that is not degrading to either.
And of course there is porn that is deliberately disgusting, but on the other hand you have porn that puts an emphasis on aesthetics.
There is even porn that could be considered art. (or even established art that is just as explicit as porn.)
And if that explanation does not satisfy, there is also gay porn (.... waits for the collective ewwww)... how is that degrading to women? ;)
Avoid generalizations, they are generally a bad idea ;)
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Yeah, gay porn is a good example. It's ironic that lesbian porn is classified as straight porn, though I guess a lot of it is specifically shot to titillate men.
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...you said something silly
mostly because the main clients of porn are males, after all. The degradation comes right through the practices pictured in the movies, with gangbangs, anal, forced felatios, and the ubiquituous "milk over yo face *****", which is absolutely degrading. The next fantasy, the drinking of semen, only a male that would never imagine himself doing just that would appreciate it.
I hate to tell you bro but there are perfectly healthy women who consider all these things enjoyable and arousing. Men love group sex, women love group sex, men love domination/submission, women love domination/submission, anal's pleasurable for both sexes. None of those things are inherently wrong or degrading. Hahaha drinking semen is supposed to be inherently disgusting somehow? You'll probably get more fluids doing oral on a woman. Hell, there are even oral techniques for women which involve passing the semen back to the man with a kiss if you're feeling guilty about it or something.
It's true that *some* women may feel pleasure at the germane activity of inoculating semen through their oral orifice. It's also true there are women who like anal, who like all the physical abuse men can imagine putting them through.
They are not, by far, the majority of them. You just have to look at the cringed faces they show in these movies while trying to perform nicely with the yellowest of smiles as ordered by the director. That means that not even the self-selected group really likes it that much.
Not that I'm against the industry in general, or the people that watch it, etc. I'm all fine with that. I just see it as really bad taste.
Sex gets pretty kinky. The problems with porn and the treatment of women aren't inherent to any of these sexual practices.
I agree with that too, my problem is more of a general observation of the incredible lack of pleasure these actors show, more willing to try to outperform some gymnastic feat record, rather than having just fun with it. The performance is checklisted minutely, with all the necessary steps in the middle and the single end: bukkake. This may be sex, but it is horrible sex. This particular point might not have much to do with women's "degradation", if it weren't for the fact that many teenagers nowadays think that sex is what is portrayed in porn, which degrades the act evidently towards the men's fantasies (and I'm speaking about heterossexual activity here, specifically) rather than what may or may not appeal to women.
Rather they're generally resident in the framing narratives or in cultural attitudes towards sex - for example, that women are chaste gatekeepers and men are promiscuous stallions. It's not as if most porn doesn't objectify the men as much as the women; they're basically spear carriers (hurr hurr). But porn does tend to be shot with a distinctly male gaze.
I don't agree with that completely. For a very long time I believed it though. That men should be equal to women, thus these stereotypes were meaningless. They are not. They are deeply embebbed genetically even, so we should, at least, respect these urges as somewhat more fundamental than cultural clichés or long fads that can be swept away with a little cultural brainwash. There are many genetic reasons for these different attitudes, and I'm sure I won't need to list you them, for you are a smart general.
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Yep, that's why the whole "Degrading to women" argument has always been a huge non-starter for me. If you're saying it you obviously have an axe to grind of some sort which then makes the rest of your argument suspicious.
I think it's not unfair to say that women get it way worse than men in pornography, mostly because the main clients of porn are males, after all. The degradation comes right through the practices pictured in the movies, with gangbangs, anal, forced felatios, and the ubiquituous "milk over yo face *****", which is absolutely degrading. The next fantasy, the drinking of semen, only a male that would never imagine himself doing just that would appreciate it.
And this assymetry is so disgusting that I really avoid overall porn.
I don't think that there are symetrical degradations over the other sex. And this is blatantly obvious and doesn't require any axe to grind to find it out. Just, you know, basic empathy towards women.
I'd have to point out that "porn is degrading to women" is simply a very inaccurate oversimplification.
Lucky for me, I never said that sentence.
Avoid generalizations, they are generally a bad idea ;)
I'm still lost where you get the idea I said anything like what you are saying.
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Lucky for me, I never said that sentence.
Well what are you saying then? That porn is more degrading to women than men? My reply fits either way, so I don't see the need to split hairs over semantics.
You still appear to focus on a very narrow field of porn and then generalize that all porn is just like that.
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It's true that *some* women may feel pleasure at the germane activity of inoculating semen through their oral orifice. It's also true there are women who like anal, who like all the physical abuse men can imagine putting them through.
They are not, by far, the majority of them.
You literally have no idea about this, you just made that up. You have no evidence whatsoever and no grounds to make a statistical claim about majorities and minorities. Anal can be fun and easy and doesn't have to be painful. Swallowing semen isn't any different than licking a ****. It tastes funny, you get used to it.
The physical equipment doesn't differ that much. I would wager that 95% of women (and heck, men) would enjoy skillfully done anal.
For perspective, by far the most commonly reported sex fantasy among women is the rape fantasy. This doesn't mean women want to be raped, but it should give you some insight into the fact that women are just about as voracious and ****ed up as men are, they're just taught to be quieter about it.
You just have to look at the cringed faces they show in these movies while trying to perform nicely with the yellowest of smiles as ordered by the director. That means that not even the self-selected group really likes it that much.
NGTM1R already explained in good detail why the act of making porn is so unpleasant, and it has very little to do with the acts performed and a great deal more with the conditions. Go back and read his post. Nobody's arguing that studio porn is somehow good, you just picked terrible reasons to argue it was bad (namely, that the acts depicted were inherently degrading or wrong).
The rest of your post is a waste of words in light of what NGTM1R already delivered, except the following:
This may be sex, but it is horrible sex.
See, this is a much better point than 'it is inherently degrading hurr durr', and one I agree with.
There are many genetic reasons for these different attitudes, and I'm sure I won't need to list you them, for you are a smart general.
The reason you can't list them is because you don't know what they are. These alleged genetic reasons are actually mostly smug patriarchal fantasies that get demolished when you learn anything real about evolutionary psychology, instead of just swallowing the horse**** they give you.
We have no ability right now to precisely separate the biology of sexual behaviors from the cultural. Hypotheses have been advanced that women are biologically hardwired for group sex with multiple male partners, whereas men are hardwired to be aroused by watching women have sex with other men. But these hypotheses are unfalsifiable and should be treated as such.
Basically the takeaway here is that you are a virgin. Once you get into a loving relationship you will hopefully have a chance to explore a bit and become a bit more comfortable with sexuality. I'm also detecting the residue of a religious upbringing here, I think?
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Lucky for me, I never said that sentence.
Well what are you saying then? That porn is more degrading to women than men? My reply fits either way, so I don't see the need to split hairs over semantics.
No, it doesn't fit with what I'm saying, since I'm making a statistical and relative argument, and thus your point about me "generalizing" doesn't make sense anymore.
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Lucky for me, I never said that sentence.
Well what are you saying then? That porn is more degrading to women than men? My reply fits either way, so I don't see the need to split hairs over semantics.
No, it doesn't fit with what I'm saying, since I'm making a statistical and relative argument, and thus your point about me "generalizing" doesn't make sense anymore.
Actually it makes perfect sense. To make a statistical argument you need data to make generalizations. You don't have any and you won't find any.
Read this (http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/mcelroy_17_4.html), it is a pretty good explanation of the ways porn can be good for women.
I know you don't like porn because you are scared by it. The acts depicted seem unfamiliar and dirty. But the bigger issue you identify (and one I agree with) is mostly that it's just pretty boring and mechanical.
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You literally have no idea about this, you just made that up. You have no evidence whatsoever and no grounds to make a statistical claim about majorities and minorities. Anal can be fun and easy and doesn't have to be painful. Swallowing semen isn't any different than licking a ****. It tastes funny, you get used to it.
The physical equipment doesn't differ that much. I would wager that 95% of women (and heck, men) would enjoy skillfully done anal.
For perspective, by far the most commonly reported sex fantasy among women is the rape fantasy. This doesn't mean women want to be raped, but it should give you some insight into the fact that women are just about as voracious and ****ed up as men are, they're just taught to be quieter about it.
From my experience it's kind of like ice cream. Some people like vanilla, some chocolate, some hate strawberry... others don't even want to try hazelnut.
Anyways... as long as both partners trust each other and actually want to give pleasure as much as receive it exploration of what both actually do enjoy is usually fun.
Luis Dias appears to not only have a very narrow view of porn, but of sexuality in general.
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Lucky for me, I never said that sentence.
Well what are you saying then? That porn is more degrading to women than men? My reply fits either way, so I don't see the need to split hairs over semantics.
No, it doesn't fit with what I'm saying, since I'm making a statistical and relative argument, and thus your point about me "generalizing" doesn't make sense anymore.
If you are making a statistical argument you need to cite sources. You do not.
You are just making some wierd claims.
If what you are say is true, then i must be a statistical anamoly because none of the women i have been with conform to your (from my perspective very narrow and prudish) view of women even in the tiniest bit.
(Heck i even had a girlfriend once who used to send me porn as part of well... i guess you could call it fore-fore-play LOL. Very tasteful videos though, all of them.)
What you do not seem to get is that "giving pleasure" can be just as fun and satisfying as receiving. That's the basis of a healthy sexual relationship as i understand it anyways.
P.S. Hope we are not transgressing any forum rules by where this discussion is going.
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You literally have no idea about this, you just made that up. You have no evidence whatsoever and no grounds to make a statistical claim about majorities and minorities. Anal can be fun and easy and doesn't have to be painful. Swallowing semen isn't any different than licking a ****. It tastes funny, you get used to it.
The physical equipment doesn't differ that much. I would wager that 95% of women (and heck, men) would enjoy skillfully done anal.
For perspective, by far the most commonly reported sex fantasy among women is the rape fantasy. This doesn't mean women want to be raped, but it should give you some insight into the fact that women are just about as voracious and ****ed up as men are, they're just taught to be quieter about it.
From my experience it's kind of like ice cream. Some people like vanilla, some chocolate, some hate strawberry... others don't even want to try hazelnut.
Anyways... as long as both partners trust each other and actually want to give pleasure as much as receive it exploration of what both actually do enjoy is usually fun.
Luis Dias appears to not only have a very narrow view of porn, but of sexuality in general.
I agree with everything in this post!
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From my experience it's kind of like ice cream. Some people like vanilla, some chocolate, some hate strawberry... others don't even want to try hazelnut.
Anyways... as long as both partners trust each other and actually want to give pleasure as much as receive it exploration of what both actually do enjoy is usually fun.
Luis Dias appears to not only have a very narrow view of porn, but of sexuality in general.
And some are lactose-intolerant. :p
But yes, I agree with this post.
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It's true that *some* women may feel pleasure at the germane activity of inoculating semen through their oral orifice. It's also true there are women who like anal, who like all the physical abuse men can imagine putting them through.
They are not, by far, the majority of them.
You literally have no idea about this, you just made that up. You have no evidence whatsoever and no grounds to make a statistical claim about majorities and minorities. Anal can be fun and easy and doesn't have to be painful. Swallowing semen isn't any different than licking a ****. It tastes funny, you get used to it.
I talk a lot. Most women I know are disgusted by it, by the very thought of it. I have no "peer-review paper" about this, but it seems obvious to me that since the feedback is not female, but male fantasy, even if it tasted really bad it wouldn't matter, they would drink it just the same. And that feeling pervades all the movies out there.
The physical equipment doesn't differ that much. I would wager that 95% of women (and heck, men) would enjoy skillfully done anal.
Hehe, nice. Chastise me for pulling statistics out of thin hair, and then this. I would wager a lot, lot less than that.
For perspective, by far the most commonly reported sex fantasy among women is the rape fantasy. This doesn't mean women want to be raped, but it should give you some insight into the fact that women are just about as voracious and ****ed up as men are, they're just taught to be quieter about it.
This is meaningless, apart from the genetic rationale I was trying to initiate. There are good reasons one could pull out of thin air, but then make a good scientific case about it, that women are genetically inclined to alpha males, and to submission. This gets tricky in all the possible iterations, but there's a case there to be made in terms of adaptive darwinian behavior, etc.
Anyways, if your reference point is the animality of it, and how women "like" to be degraded to submission, etc., then you are already conceding, in part, my point. It doesn't matter if there is a darwinian, natural reason for this "degradation" or not, just that it exists and porn expresses it.
Mind you, equalitarianism is an ideology that bases itself in surpassing these "natural" barriers and create a world where natural differences do not matter no more (and humans become "supernatural"). Thus, if you justify some kind of cultural point with the naturality of it, you're doing a step backwards, not forwards (Nature, for all we know, may well be mysoginistic).
The reason you can't list them is because you don't know what they are. These alleged genetic reasons are actually mostly smug patriarchal fantasies that get demolished when you learn anything real about evolutionary psychology, instead of just swallowing the horse**** they give you.
Bull****. This is so blatantly obvious. The fact that women need to protect their sexuality directly stems from the fact that she carries the burden of childbirth and can only give birth to one child for a year, needs extra protection while at it, and needs careful attention and support thereafter. The fact that men are "stereotypically" macho men directly stems from the fact that more distributed sperm will increase the chances that his genes get reproduced all around the place.
Apart from these basic concepts one can derive pretty easy, and given all the sufficient caveats due to what I mentioned as hard "iterations", I do not trust "evolutionary psychology" papers *at all*, they are mostly trash talk disguised as science. People should be ashamed to publish such amount of nonsense without any kind of empirical back up.
We have no ability right now to precisely separate the biology of sexual behaviors from the cultural. Hypotheses have been advanced that women are biologically hardwired for group sex with multiple male partners, whereas men are hardwired to be aroused by watching women have sex with other men. But these hypotheses are unfalsifiable and should be treated as such.
Sure, that much seems quite true.
Basically the takeaway here is that you are a virgin. Once you get into a loving relationship you will hopefully have a chance to explore a bit and become a bit more comfortable with sexuality. I'm also detecting the residue of a religious upbringing here, I think?
Hey "out-of-yourself" god, try again. I'm a father of three and quite happy with my sexual relationship. See how wrong you can be? I mean, about mostly everything :lol:
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If you are making a statistical argument you need to cite sources. You do not.
WHAT? Do you even understand the meaning of "statistical argument"? Should I spell it out better for you? It's synonymous with "LOGICAL ARGUMENT".
You are just making some wierd claims.
If what you are say is true, then i must be a statistical anamoly because none of the women i have been with conform to your (from my perspective very narrow and prudish) view of women even in the tiniest bit.
(Heck i even had a girlfriend once who used to send me porn as part of well... i guess you could call it fore-fore-play LOL. Very tasteful videos though, all of them.)
I've seen porn videos with my girl too. What's your point?
What you do not seem to get is that "giving pleasure" can be just as fun and satisfying as receiving. That's the basis of a healthy sexual relationship as i understand it anyways.
Of course I don't understand that. /sarc
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WHAT? Do you even understand the meaning of "statistical argument"? Should I spell it out better for you? It's synonymous with "LOGICAL ARGUMENT".
... an argument based on statistics requires studies and therefore sources.
Frankly, I'd say by now you have contradicted yourself so much that you might want to be more careful with the use of the word "logic".
Care to read over your latest couple of posts again or do i really need to list each logical flaw?
And for the record: Logic != Statistics.
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I know you don't like porn because you are scared by it.
You keep pulling this act with me Battuta, it's getting old and stupid.
Mostly because it's always wrong. I mean, I wouldn't mind a little mind**** on your part, if that would at least be useful for me or something. But it isn't. It's just bland. Boring. And quite irritatingly snobbish.
The acts depicted seem unfamiliar and dirty. But the bigger issue you identify (and one I agree with) is mostly that it's just pretty boring and mechanical.
That. I don't mind the kinkiness. I really don't. The fact is, it's heavily biased towards one side (Which is MY point and not any other), and it's mechanically boring. There is no fiction to the kinkiness or to the "standard". There is no fantasy, apart from the idiot costumes. Humanity is totally absent in it.
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I talk a lot. Most women I know are disgusted by it, by the very thought of it. I have no "peer-review paper" about this, but it seems obvious to me that since the feedback is not female, but male fantasy, even if it tasted really bad it wouldn't matter, they would drink it just the same. And that feeling pervades all the movies out there.
Meaningless. Sampling bias. ****s can taste pretty weird sometimes, that doesn't stop you. If you're hung up on the idea of drinking semen that's pretty weird. Get a girl to give you a blowjob and then spit it into your mouth, try it, see if you hate it.
Bull****. This is so blatantly obvious. The fact that women need to protect their sexuality directly stems from the fact that she carries the burden of childbirth and can only give birth to one child for a year, needs extra protection while at it, and needs careful attention and support thereafter. The fact that men are "stereotypically" macho men directly stems from the fact that more distributed sperm will increase the chances that his genes get reproduced all around the place.
This is one of the great myths of our time, but right in your next paragraph you explain the very reason you shouldn't believe it:
Apart from these basic concepts one can derive pretty easy, and given all the sufficient caveats due to what I mentioned as hard "iterations", I do not trust "evolutionary psychology" papers *at all*, they are mostly trash talk disguised as science. People should be ashamed to publish such amount of nonsense without any kind of empirical back up.
You've been suckered by a myth. Let's dissect it.
Bull****. This is so blatantly obvious. The fact that women need to protect their sexuality directly stems from the fact that she carries the burden of childbirth and can only give birth to one child for a year, needs extra protection while at it, and needs careful attention and support thereafter.
This is a strong incentive for female promiscuity. There's a mechanism called sperm competition which incentivizes women to mate with multiple partners in rapid succession so they get the best quality offspring. They can also draw in multiple fathers to support their children.
The fact that females carry the large ova provides the biological incentive for them to be what we so derisively term sluts. This is true not just in humans but in many species, but it may be especially true in humans - there's some evidence for a bonobo-like sexual structure in early human social groups.
The fact that men are "stereotypically" macho men directly stems from the fact that more distributed sperm will increase the chances that his genes get reproduced all around the place.
Folk logic, but unfortunately it doesn't hold up. 'Spreading the seed' is a tactic that can pay off, but it's not the only one. In actuality, fitness (what you call 'the chances that his genes get reproduced all around the place') is as much tied to traits we associate with fey, gay, effeminate men as we do with hairy alphas.
Like I've said, if you're going to play in the deep end, you need to learn to swim. And that means learning the science on this topic before you discuss it.
You're making two separate arguments here. One is that porn is boring and mechanical, which I agree with. The other is that acts like anal, facials, gangbangs and so on are inherently degrading things which no women can enjoy. This is a pretty misogynistic argument which stems from a fear of female sexuality.
Like I said, once you're in a loving comfortable relationship that allows you to explore these things, you'll learn to shed the fears involved and to treat sex behaviors like flavors of ice cream. It doesn't mean you need to start getting pegged in the ass, but it also means you can stop going into moral panic mode every time you think about a woman enjoying anal.
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If you are making a statistical argument you need to cite sources. You do not.
WHAT? Do you even understand the meaning of "statistical argument"? Should I spell it out better for you? It's synonymous with "LOGICAL ARGUMENT".
Um, I wonder if you're having English language difficulties. Statistical arguments and logical arguments are completely different. A statistical argument is based on data gathered empirically. A logical argument is based on derivation from first principles using established rules.
You might not want to yell until you've learned the language you're yelling in.
I've seen porn videos with my girl too. What's your point?
You actually are a virgin teen, aren't you? That is rough. We've all been there but I don't think it's the best place to make arguments about sexuality from.
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Chill out guys...
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Chill out guys...
But this is my favorite part :colbert:
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On an related unrelated note.... erh... well anyways....
The most disgusting depiction of sexual activity on film that i have actually seen was not in a porn movie, but in a regular movie: More specifically, it was the rape scene in Stieg Larssons "The girl with the Dragon Tattoo". It was one of the few scenes that i saw in my life that actually made me experience physical sickness just by watching it. (And it didn't even feature explicit nudity.)
I realize that there is certainly much more disgusting porn out there somewhere... but I'd say with porn and its different niches it's much easier to avoid watching what you do not want to watch than it is when something so digusting sneaks up on you in a mainstream movie.
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On an related unrelated note.... erh... well anyways....
The most disgusting depiction of sexual activity on film that i have actually seen was not in a porn movie, but in a regular movie: More specifically, it was the rape scene in Stieg Larssons "The girl with the Dragon Tattoo". It was one of the view scenes that i saw in my life that actually made me experience physical sickness just by watching it. (And it didn't even feature explicit nudity.)
Yeah that was definitely disturbing, both in the book and the movie.
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Quoting in thread that's not littered with other crap.
To bring it waaaay back to like page one, people go gaga over romance novels, and I can't imagine something like that shot as video wouldn't sell.
Weirdly enough, this is apparently the thinking behind the direction of most lesbian scenes these days. They attempt to make it seem...tender, I guess? It's not always easy to say with actors this bad. (I also gather they're somewhat less likely to devolve into living hell for the actors, so they're easier to shoot.)
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As a long time connoisseur of lesbian porn, I've gotta object... sort of. The attempted-tenderness-girly-girl-time is nothing new, it faded out of studio production for a few years and then the amateurish stuff such as *redacted* and *redacted* became popular (or at least they made money and so forth) so they're bringing it back.
And on the final note, everything that makes regular sexy penis-laden porn uncomfortable/livinghellish is still present in a lesbian scene. The painfully bright lights, the awkward director saying do this, do that, the weird guy that keeps touching himself while holding the camera and whispering*, the strange positions which are a lot harder to hold than they seem, the "I need to pee", "I need a drink", "ow, you poked me in the eye", "hold on, your makeup is running, touchup time", the random ass philosophical discussions the director gets into with the guests while the other girl pinches your nipples, the 'Oh, that was great, do it exactly the same as last time, just this time we'll have a camera a foot to the right"x4, and of course, the cold ass floor/counter top/sink, because its California and air con has to be on constantly and set to 45 degrees.
*kidding, they get fired.
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****, I wish we had rep on this forum, I would mad plus you.
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As a long time connoisseur of lesbian porn, I've gotta object... sort of. The attempted-tenderness-girly-girl-time is nothing new, it faded out of studio production for a few years and then the amateurish stuff such as *redacted* and *redacted* became popular (or at least they made money and so forth) so they're bringing it back.
I will bow to your longer-term involvement in this area. (Amusingly enough, the other female watchers of it I know complain about the shift.)
And on the final note, everything that makes regular sexy penis-laden porn uncomfortable/livinghellish is still present in a lesbian scene.
What was specifically cited to me was that (most of the time) nobody ends up terribly sore or otherwise in pain with twenty more shots to go. Maybe five instead. Then again, my source worked Europe, so maybe they have different standards.
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What was specifically cited to me was that (most of the time) nobody ends up terribly sore or otherwise in pain with twenty more shots to go. Maybe five instead. Then again, my source worked Europe, so maybe they have different standards.
Could be. Personally those I've talked to prefer an aching vulvasaurus to a sore back, sore knees and feet in desperate need of an oil bath. Granted, that could just be a matter of being used to the one rather than the others.
****, I wish we had rep on this forum, I would mad plus you.
Mmmm... sexual innuendo. :p
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****, I wish we had rep on this forum, I would mad plus you.
You're going to have to buy dinner first.
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Hey, don't go gendering this conversation with your patriarchal notions of courtship
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Yeah, gay porn is a good example. It's ironic that lesbian porn is classified as straight porn, though I guess a lot of it is specifically shot to titillate men.
you make a good point here, its amazing what kind of stuff gets called straight porn. for example shemales. waste up its a chick, but genetically its a man complete with pecker. its not their presence but the fact that they are almost 100% of the time with a guy. just do a search on |REDACTED| for girl on shemale (and if it existed it would probably be pretty cool) and you wont get a single hit (well maybe a couple), but just punch in shemale and you will get loads of videos of guys boning shemales. how can it be called straight porn if both partners have penises?
guys masturbating. seriously, why is this classified as straight porn. sure it could be called straight since hes not taking it up the back end, but seriously, this belongs somewhere completely different.
as a guy i like lesbian porn. but by definition its not straight porn. it might be porn for guys and lesbians, but it certainly doesn't qualify as being straight by nature.
so much time is spent on fellatio in porn. this is one of those things i really dont like to see all that much. one of my main turn ons are the sounds women make. so when the only sounds i hear are the guy, and the only thing i see is half of a girls face and half of a penis and some balls, i am majorly unaroused. i dont mind seeing a fellatio every now and then, but there are so many of them in porn its ridiculous. and whats with the money shot? i can think of better things to do with semen that spray it all over some girls face.
i dont like straight porn where the guy constantly draws attention to himself. the way i view guys in straight porn is that they are only there to give the girl something to get off on. i dont like them talking constantly, and blocking the shot of the woman most of the time. maybe this video was meant for the girl, or maybe for couples, but i usually punch back and go watch something else. sometimes i think the only guys who would like something like this have a few homoerotic fantasies in their head.
and it doesn't stop with blurring of this line. sometimes i find myself offended in other ways. i make no effort in hiding the fact that i like women a little on the chubby side. im talking like in the 180-220 lbs tops. but if i do a search for fat girls, i get videos for girls who are seriously morbidly obese, around 350+ lbs. its ridiculous, and disgusting. and then i mentioned this before. porn frequently emphasizes the racial stereotype of black men partnered with fat white girls. so its no figure that when i do find an appropriately sized fat chick, she is almost always partnered with a black dude. not to be racist myself but black men in porn are always drawing attention to them selves (same problem i mentioned in the last paragraph). this in itself is another racial stereotype. so i end up looking for fat lesbian porn.
so all of these are my primary reason to watch amateur porn. for an industry that supposedly facilitates every possible fantasy, the do a piss poor job. so i reject the industry and watch amateur whenever possible.
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rofl, what an adventure nuke, I feel for you! May your future adventures in porn not be so frustrating.
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I don't like dicks.
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I don't like dicks.
This statement is too ambiguous.
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I don't like dicks.
sometimes i like to see some petite little pornstar getting her vag hammered by a monster cock, so long as the owner of said monster cock realizes its not about him, and the camera stays on the girl most of the time. the sequence can easily be ruined by bad shots and bad mic placement, let alone a guy who cant shut up about what hes doing. its a video you dont have to ****ing narrate. in fact talking during sex is a big turnoff for me as well. and i admit, i am very picky about the porn i watch.
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I talk a lot. Most women I know are disgusted by it, by the very thought of it. I have no "peer-review paper" about this, but it seems obvious to me that since the feedback is not female, but male fantasy, even if it tasted really bad it wouldn't matter, they would drink it just the same. And that feeling pervades all the movies out there.
Inadmissible data. Women are culturally conditioned to be disgusted when confronted by these questions in public or even with friends. There are some topics that don't leave a partnership, that is one of them. I don't have statistics, but basic common sense would imply that if you ask a woman whether she likes the taste of semen, true or not, she is more likely to say no, so as to not appear a slut. Even if this woman was your friend the result would most likely be the same, or potentially even more likely, as she would value your friendship, and wouldn't want your opinion of her to be degraded because she was "slutty".
Simple fact of the matter is, each gender is conditioned culturally in the modern world to have certain responses to any given situation, regardless of personal feeling or desire. This is one of the things women have a conditioned answer to, for men its other things.
Also the comment made earlier about having an axe to grind was certainly well placed. The people disagreeing with you started moderate, and only started firing shots across the bow in return. You came out swinging, and continually appeared angry when refuted. Granted you took a few cheap shots, but fire begets fire.
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Inadmissible data. Women are culturally conditioned to be disgusted when confronted by these questions in public or even with friends. There are some topics that don't leave a partnership, that is one of them. I don't have statistics, but basic common sense would imply that if you ask a woman whether she likes the taste of semen, true or not, she is more likely to say no, so as to not appear a slut. Even if this woman was your friend the result would most likely be the same, or potentially even more likely, as she would value your friendship, and wouldn't want your opinion of her to be degraded because she was "slutty".
Simple fact of the matter is, each gender is conditioned culturally in the modern world to have certain responses to any given situation, regardless of personal feeling or desire. This is one of the things women have a conditioned answer to, for men its other things.
Yep. Worse the people who claim porn is degrading to women are actually doing a fair bit of damage to women (probably much more than porn itself does) by basically telling them "You shouldn't like anal, cumshots or whatever *I* consider degrading cause only sluts like that"
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I tell you what I don't like on youtube like porn sites is that every other video begins with "Slut takes. . ." etc. I simply don't like the names. The only women who get a good title are morbidly obese (big beautiful women)
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I don't like dicks.
sometimes i like to see some petite little pornstar getting her vag hammered by a monster cock, so long as the owner of said monster cock realizes its not about him, and the camera stays on the girl most of the time. the sequence can easily be ruined by bad shots and bad mic placement, let alone a guy who cant shut up about what hes doing. its a video you dont have to ****ing narrate. in fact talking during sex is a big turnoff for me as well. and i admit, i am very picky about the porn i watch.
Finally! Someone who gets it. Porn can so easily be ruined when the guy gets too vocal, but it's worse when the production is generally shoddy. Lousy camera work, ****ty lighting, and poor choreography are also nasty culprits for crappy porn. There's nothing worse than awkward camera angles watching a boring repertoire. However, while ameteur stuff is entertaining, it's a hell of a lot more hit-and-miss than the profession and pseudo-professional stuff out there. You get some pretty good videos, but there's always 5 times more chubby emo girls and their skinny boyfriends having uncomfortable sex, filmed on what seems to be a cam-corder straight out of the 80's. But then, I guess it just comes down to tastes, and whether or not you have a thing for voyeur stuff.
Anyway, what's all this bull**** about feelings and degradation? This is a thread about porn. Let's see; |REDACTED|, |REDACTED|, |REDACTED|, |REDACTED|, and I recently stumbled across |REDACTED|. All pretty good, although |REDACTED| and moreso |REDACTED| have some pretty ****ed up **** on there. Any other free sites people visit?
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i wont have people posting names of or links to porn sites.
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i wont have people posting names of or links to porn sites.
What's the sentiment on titles and performers then? Still a no? :doubt:
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names of porn sites are very close to actual links to porn sites, for example www.|REDACTED|.com (and some browsers will resolve them to links), and posting such links would break the rules. i wont go around redacting names of pornstars or videos, since it would take much more effort to make such names bring up actual porn on accident, im not going to be cracking down on them. but rest assured i or some other moderator may come by and clean things up as necessary. id hate to see this topic go because up till now it has managed to stay somewhat mature considering the subject matter.
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I don't like dicks.
sometimes i like to see some petite little pornstar getting her vag hammered by a monster cock, so long as the owner of said monster cock realizes its not about him, and the camera stays on the girl most of the time. the sequence can easily be ruined by bad shots and bad mic placement, let alone a guy who cant shut up about what hes doing. its a video you dont have to ****ing narrate. in fact talking during sex is a big turnoff for me as well. and i admit, i am very picky about the porn i watch.
You sould be a professional porn critic.
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do they pay people to do that?
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do they pay people to do that?
Yup. Pays like 20$ per review and you get to keep the dvds.
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i wont have people posting names of or links to porn sites.
My bad. Can't blame a man for trying. :p
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My bad. Can't blame a man for trying. :p
Actually, yes, we can and do blame people for trying. After pointing and laughing at them, of course.
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I tell you what I don't like on youtube like porn sites is that every other video begins with "Slut takes. . ." etc. I simply don't like the names. The only women who get a good title are morbidly obese (big beautiful women)
Your problem may be related to the bolded part ? ;)
Youtube like community + porn = Lolzerskates Roflcopter *censored* *censored* *censored* names & posts ? :) Just a guess!
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Even in those sites you'll always get a search function. If you don't particularly like the "slut takes..." etc., then you can pick and choose other kinds of queries. Most "clientelle" like that kind of stuff, and that's where they are probably marketing. 90% of all is rubbish, you do know that...
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Even in those sites you'll always get a search function. If you don't particularly like the "slut takes..." etc., then you can pick and choose other kinds of queries. Most "clientelle" like that kind of stuff, and that's where they are probably marketing. 90% of all is rubbish, you do know that...
You still don't get it that there are several very different niches and porn != porn, do you? Just stop it with the high horse "porn is like that" because i say so Bull****, alright?
And if you say something like "most" and "you do know that" be at least prepared to back it up with SOME kind of source. With the myopic amount of homeproduced amateur porn available you may as well be completely off the mark about the pervasiveness of "your defition of porn". No I do not know the numbers. The point is: Neither do you.
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No, you won't get me to state that most porn isn't rubbish.
Because it is.
It still leaves a lot of content that I won't immediately classify as rubbish.
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He's right, 90% of everything is ****!
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No, you won't get me to state that most porn isn't rubbish.
Because it is.
It still leaves a lot of content that I won't immediately classify as rubbish.
I see what you did there and i won't bite.
After your previous stance on the topic i would however indeed love to hear what "a lot of content that isn't rubbish" there is in porn in your opinion. ;)
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Russian porn is best, there's nothing that gets you off better than the stench of despair, crack and good old-fashioned human trade
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He's right, 90% of everything is ****!
this is somewhat true, but considering im of a rebel sort, id say the number is closer to %99.99999
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No, you won't get me to state that most porn isn't rubbish.
Because it is.
It still leaves a lot of content that I won't immediately classify as rubbish.
I see what you did there and i won't bite.
After your previous stance on the topic i would however indeed love to hear what "a lot of content that isn't rubbish" there is in porn in your opinion. ;)
Good porn :lol:
Why are you so interested in my tastes? Bored at your own routine?
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Good porn :lol:
Going by your earlier posts one might suspect "good porn" does not exist in your opinion. It's only fair, to ask you to define it, wouldn't you agree?
Why are you so interested in my tastes? Bored at your own routine?
You do like your cheap shots, don't you. Seriously, just leave em out. I'll hardly be outraged by something as unelaborate as that. ;)
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Good porn :lol:
Going by your earlier posts one might suspect "good porn" does not exist in your opinion.
Going by this line of yours, one might suspect that you didn't read them.
It's only fair, to ask you to define it, wouldn't you agree?
I like fictional porn. That is, porn that suspends my disbelief that what is happening in the screen isn't just a group of actors performing a gymnastics painful exercise, but realistic events (even if they are "kinky", surprising or uncommon).
You do like your cheap shots, don't you. Seriously, just leave em out. I'll hardly be outraged by something as unelaborate as that. ;)
Don't ask silly irrelevant questions with clear axes to grind, I'll leave you alone.
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Im the only one who voted for "It is a hideous sin against Jesus. Even looking at it for a split second, you've commited adultery.".
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Im the only one who voted for "It is a hideous sin against Jesus. Even looking at it for a split second, you've commited adultery.".
Every night, huh?
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Every night, huh?
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Im the only one who voted for "It is a hideous sin against Jesus. Even looking at it for a split second, you've commited adultery.".
Wrong time. You should've voted that why the Unicorns were still peeing in this place. :p