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Title: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on May 25, 2011, 07:51:37 am: here are some screenshots

i need modellers and textures

for dark blue shivans
becouse shivans means to be dark

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Snail on May 25, 2011, 07:56:55 am: Good luck with it. You may want to get someone to translate it for you.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: TopAce on May 25, 2011, 07:57:40 am: What's the plot summary?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on May 25, 2011, 08:05:33 am: my pilot vsummery is standerd freespace 2 models

sorry for my bad englis

i need freders story is about over
that sathanas is destord by gtva
the shivans need to destroy humans
you will play as shivans

but now i need fredders expart to make this campaign

it will be 100 missions campaings
i have done the furst 5 missions

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: TopAce on May 25, 2011, 08:08:14 am: 100 missions is A LOT. I suggest you make a smaller-scale campaign first. Like, an 8/10-mission-long little something, and see what kind of mistakes you typically make.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on May 25, 2011, 08:13:51 am: 1 misson left to upload

That's why i ask for fredder

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on May 25, 2011, 08:50:26 am: Ummmm....

Let me just reiterate what TopAce said. 100 missions is a lot. It's way longer than any released campaign so far. Plotting out a campaign at that length, and making that many missions is not a good idea for someone starting out with mission and campaign design. Shoot for a smaller, more achievable target first, like ten or fifteen missions, and see if you can tell a story and make engaging missions in a smaller format. Going for an epically big project as your first isn't a good idea.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Sushi on May 25, 2011, 10:09:29 am: I will download as many of these as you end up making.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: newman on May 25, 2011, 10:14:47 am: edit: not getting involved. Assuming decisive observation position.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: TopAce on May 25, 2011, 10:58:49 am: I took a look at the missions.

Why did you post these rough mission outlines? We cannot comment them very much. Make them full missions, then release them.

Do the FRED walkthrough to learn about the basics of how a mission is built up. Mission goals, briefings, events, messages, debriefings; everything that you need for a "full"mission. I see you already successfully added 2 messages into one of the missions. That's a start. Now, add mission goals, directives, and briefings as well. Pick one of these missions and improve on it. Forget about the rest for now. Make your selected mission as good as you can, following the FRED walkthrough, then if you think you're satisfied with it, spend more time on it.

I suggest you make small-scale missions first. Forget about destroyers, juggernauts for now. Make a standard "Escort convoy from A to B" kind of mission and see if you can get it done well.

Remember that you know what your mission will be about and what the player must do to complete the mission, but you need to have briefings, mission goals, messages to tell the player this info.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on May 25, 2011, 03:05:58 pm: please help me to fred i have trouble with this mission please explain how to fix it
i cant get it done

please take a look whats wrong

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: StargateSpankyHam on May 25, 2011, 03:19:25 pm: Remember the plotline - is the character participating in events that drive the plot forward, in most missions? In Blue Planet, for example, look at how many of their missions take place with plot-critical settings, in the strategic scope of things.

Age of Aquarius' plot was awesome because, after the first two or three missions, it became a full-afterburner ride through a shivan-infested parallel universe, just trying to stay alive. All of that happened over the course of (probably) a week or two.

War in Heaven's plot was equally awesome because it maintains the same pacing. It starts out at a reasonable rate, defending convoys and ambushing capital ships, escalating into a full-on attack on Earth, and into a series of plot-critical missions for the entire second half.

However, for a 100+ mission campaign, I fear that you're going to try to put the player through every single mission in the war, and I'd strongly advise against it. Age of Aquarius had a small number of GTVA ships involved strategically in the plotline (only the fleet they sent through the gate), and the actual duration of the 'war' was limited by how long they stayed in the parallel universe. And even at that, the player ended up flying from the Temeraire for the majority of the campaign, largely missing out on the Orestes' share of the action. Most campaigns with a full-scale war going on, with hundreds of ships on each side, across countless battlefields - how much of that action does the player see? One percent? Maybe two? AoA put the player in roughly 50% of the action, maybe a little more, because of the short duration of the war and the very cool circumstances.

My point is, even under the best of circumstances, do you think you will be able to keep the storyline moving forward at a reasonable rate, when the campaign is a hundred missions long? Are you going to be able to build enough unique missions to pull it off? Blue Planet worked because it paced itself. I didn't mind the two or three slow missions up-front - but assuming the same proportionate pacing, yours would take up...ten? Maybe fifteen missions of relative calm up-front - and personally, after about four or five, I'd get bored.

Similarly, the action begins to lose scale when you just go full-afterburners for very long. Look at all the tricks the BP team used to keep AoA interesting, in the face of their full-afterburner plotline. The chasing down of the Duke, and subsequent discovery of the Sanctuary? Then the fleet moving to the Knossos portal? Then getting jumped by a Shivan armada, to have the Vishnans arrive in time to save them? The few missions the player flies WITH the Vishnans, culminating in an assault against the Lucifer and a reunification with the Orestes? Then a fleet-wide reunification over a Sathanas-kill? And finally a showdown between the Shivan and Vishnan super-juggernauts, and a fleet-wide escort mission back to the GTVA's native universe?

It begins to stretch the limits of how much action can be crammed into a campaign - but it is executed extremely well. But even Age of Aquarius would be boring if that plot material was stretched out to cover 100 missions. A hundred-mission campaign seems far too prone to either boredom or action burnout. Shock is only shocking when used sparingly.

Now, I bring this up not to tell you that it's impossible to make a good 100-mission campaign, but that it will be both extremely difficult to do well, and that it's going to cost you a buttload of time in FRED. In all honesty, it would probably be a better use of time to make a shorter campaign.

If you haven't downloaded and played Blue Planet, I'd highly suggest you do. I'm opening their missions in FRED, and learning how to FRED from them by observation. It's a great resource for learning how to put together both simple and complex missions.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on May 25, 2011, 03:27:04 pm: now i ll do for 20 missions becouse freding its hard to lern if you know what i mean

but i making 2 intro mission agein but better and then i make 10 missions for act 1 ok
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Nemesis6 on May 25, 2011, 03:36:37 pm: I think it would work out much, much better if you just did one mission where you play as the shivans. If you're still learning, making a full campaign is gonna be hard to say the least.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on May 25, 2011, 03:42:23 pm: but the story is better now
i still need help my weapons is not working and the ships turn to enemy while i not setuped programming and theres more bugs i wanna play with shivans
i tryed to make it good as posseble il do my best to make it
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Luis Dias on May 25, 2011, 04:44:25 pm: Go easy on yourself. This stuff ain't easy when you start, but it becomes easier and easier the further you go. Try to make simple things first. Then complexificate them ;).
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on May 26, 2011, 11:14:42 am: If you want to play as a Shivan, you may want to take a look at this mod (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=60801.0). And this page (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/5_easy_steps_towards_your_FREDucation) on the Wiki will help you getting started with FRED.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: swamper123 on May 26, 2011, 03:31:59 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on May 25, 2011, 03:27:04 pm
now i ll do for 20 missions becouse freding its hard to lern if you know what i mean

but i making 2 intro mission agein but better and then i make 10 missions for act 1 ok
Just follow the retail guide , with that I learned how to Fred
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on May 31, 2011, 07:51:17 am: why is hard to do if the ship are 85% damenged and than says we need more fighter support but thats do not happending
please explain why is not responding

and it is still a same trouble and why it's hard

please explain why
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on May 31, 2011, 11:19:13 am: Well, could you post a screenshot of the event(s) that should cause the message to be sent?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 01, 2011, 02:43:14 am: here is some screenshots for events 1

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 01, 2011, 02:44:02 am: here have still 1 left

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: TopAce on June 01, 2011, 02:59:06 am: In pic #3, you have this:
percent-ships-destroyed
-0
-internet 1
-internet 2
-internet 3
-internet 4

This SEXP means "0% of internet wing is destroyed," so it's equivalent to "true."

Also I suggest you merge all events that come true at start-up. Look at pic 6. Instead of having in three events that start with "true," make them into one event using Add Operator.

Lastly I highly suggest you name your events, for two reasons. One is that it makes it easier for you to tell which event does what, and you can refer to these events using is-event-true.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 01, 2011, 06:12:52 am: yes but my weapons is not working
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on June 02, 2011, 02:06:08 am: Umm... ok... so which event is supposed to trigger "if the ship are 85% damenged and than says we need more fighter support" ? I'm not seeing the 85 anywhere in your event queue.

You haven't done the FRED walkthrough yet, have you? You really should. It helps, trust me. Download "Fred Docs" from here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/FAQ/downloads.html) unRAR to your FreeSpace2\Data folder, then open FRED and go to the help files.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: LordPomposity on June 02, 2011, 01:42:01 pm: This campaign deeply intrigues me, and I eagerly await further updates.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: DarthWang on June 03, 2011, 11:54:34 pm: Add Gargants
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Deadly in a Shadow on June 04, 2011, 01:32:05 am: Quote from: DarthWang on June 03, 2011, 11:54:34 pm
Add Gargants
Add the SF Kraken :D
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: LordPomposity on June 04, 2011, 08:44:42 pm: RELEASE THE KRAKEN
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 07, 2011, 05:28:02 am: its not kracken its named sathanas campaign kraken is not my part about this campaign

sorry guys
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Deadly in a Shadow on June 07, 2011, 07:02:30 am: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on June 07, 2011, 05:28:02 am
its not kracken its named sathanas campaign kraken is not my part about this campaign

sorry guys
No excuse please, it was the right decision. No Kraken is good^^.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: LordPomposity on June 07, 2011, 08:44:26 am: So, any progress update? I'm quite excited about this campaign. I can see from the dialog you've posted so far that we're going to take a look deep inside the psychology of a race that's remained a complete mystery to us for so many years. If the finished product is as nuanced and well-executed as the previews, this campaign could really turn our interpretation of what it means to be Shivan on its head in much the same way as BP is doing.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: DarthWang on June 07, 2011, 08:47:41 am: Just make sure there are Gargants
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Deadly in a Shadow on June 07, 2011, 08:56:41 am: Quote from: DarthWang on June 07, 2011, 08:47:41 am
Just make sure there are Gargants
It's a Sathanas campaign^^

@Woutermitssm
What Sathanas do you use? The new one?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: DarthWang on June 07, 2011, 09:26:24 am: Doesn't mean it can't have Gargants. A Gargant is a lot like a Sathanas, except bigger and cooler.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 07, 2011, 12:08:59 pm: and agein no gargants
cant continoe but maybe soon if i have freespace 2 on my pc
i only have on my laptop
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 07, 2011, 12:10:33 pm: sj sathanas
i using
dont have new
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: DarthWang on June 07, 2011, 06:13:14 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on June 07, 2011, 12:08:59 pm
and agein no gargants

Well, I've lost all interest....
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 08, 2011, 02:51:33 am: sorry i dont have it
ok

if you want it use it on your own projact about gargants ok

my projact is a story about sathnas to surfife ageinst humen
not ageinst shivans ok
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 08, 2011, 04:24:24 am: watch this screenshot about the sathanas
monsters

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Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 08, 2011, 04:33:30 am: and now we are in the monster

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 08, 2011, 05:41:03 am: wacth here my work in progress projactt
http://www.youtube.com/user/WouterSmits1#p/u/0/T58KY9xiW7k
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 08, 2011, 01:32:48 pm: who want to make the dark blue sathanas
i want sathanas in dark blue becouse is darkness shivin ok
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Snail on June 08, 2011, 03:13:49 pm: I agree, Shivans is darkness.

I attached a Blue Sathanas

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Luis Dias on June 08, 2011, 03:19:24 pm: Do pof files include the blue textures? I thought they only listed lists of textures to load... or can you manipulate textures with it?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Snail on June 08, 2011, 03:21:53 pm: This model uses only retail textures. It is completely retail compatible.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: ktistai228 on June 09, 2011, 04:38:27 am: the bloody blue sath actually looks nice enough.
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 09, 2011, 03:11:34 pm: but i want all shivans ships dark blue becouse its dark
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 12, 2011, 11:11:23 am: do you understand
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Deadly in a Shadow on June 12, 2011, 12:23:33 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on June 12, 2011, 11:11:23 am
do you understand
Uhh, you know, the original shivans are black and red. They are supposed to be dark.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Snail on June 12, 2011, 01:05:23 pm: It's a lot of work.
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 12, 2011, 03:15:47 pm: yes to dark blue

i need modelers
who want to make every shivans ship dark blue
it's becouse its dark
my campaign will be named the dark shivans
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Dragon on June 12, 2011, 03:28:14 pm: You could do it yourself using either GIMP or IrfanView (though the latter won't save to DDS).
Or use these two packs:
http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php?view.198
http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php?view.200
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 12, 2011, 03:32:01 pm: no i have to lern fredding thats why i cant modelling and texture
ok i dont have time to do this thats why
ok
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Snail on June 12, 2011, 03:32:42 pm: It's a lot of work.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Dragon on June 12, 2011, 03:34:33 pm: Then use packs I linked.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 12, 2011, 03:34:59 pm: no build to 3.6.12
agein its a good way
becouse its for 3.6.10
dont have it anymore
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Jeff Vader on June 12, 2011, 03:35:41 pm: Quote from: Dragon on June 12, 2011, 03:34:33 pm
Then use packs I linked.
The... one pack you linked to twice?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 12, 2011, 03:38:21 pm: stop with its alot of work i know thats why i asked for modellers and taxtures
ok
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Snail on June 12, 2011, 03:39:06 pm: Sorry.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Dragon on June 12, 2011, 03:39:17 pm: Sorry. Copypaste fail. :)
I fixed it now.
While it says 3.6.10, there are only a few textures which differ from 3.6.12.
If you list these to me, I'll recolor them for you.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 12, 2011, 03:46:06 pm: oke

but there's alot

it will be all shivans ships

ok
its my projact i wanna be all shivans ships and destroyers dark blue
its alot of work
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Dragon on June 12, 2011, 04:05:22 pm: I've been working with FS for some time and thrust me, if you use these packs, almost all Shivan ships will turn blue.
Then, you'll only have to find these that didn't turned blue and post their names there.
I will take care of the rest.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 12, 2011, 04:20:45 pm: only fighters are dark blue
the rest all red nice try
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Dragon on June 12, 2011, 04:29:27 pm: Well, it's at least a partial sucess.
Also, did you downloaded both packs?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 13, 2011, 10:56:57 am: i have now downloaded the 2 files and extacted
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 13, 2011, 11:03:41 am: no nice try 100% same as before
sorry but it's same thing only fighters and bombers are dark blue
sorry guy i downloaded 2 pakage ok
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 13, 2011, 01:47:04 pm: um what now i needed modellers and texures
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Snail on June 14, 2011, 03:24:53 pm: Make an update.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: LordPomposity on June 14, 2011, 03:56:59 pm: Quote from: Snail on June 14, 2011, 03:24:53 pm
Make an update.

He most.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: CommanderDJ on June 14, 2011, 08:38:54 pm: Quote from: Dragon on June 12, 2011, 04:05:22 pm
thrust me

:lol:
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 15, 2011, 12:19:52 pm: make an update for what
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Deadly in a Shadow on June 15, 2011, 12:22:38 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on June 15, 2011, 12:19:52 pm
make an update for what
I think he meant an update of your starting post. There you can write that you need modellers and texturers.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 15, 2011, 12:23:49 pm: ok
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 15, 2011, 12:28:27 pm: I did that on the beggining of this form
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Snail on June 15, 2011, 02:54:10 pm: Quote from: Deadly in a Shadow on June 15, 2011, 12:22:38 pm
Quote from: WouterSmitssm on June 15, 2011, 12:19:52 pm
make an update for what
I think he meant an update of your starting post. There you can write that you need modellers and texturers.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry for not being clear.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on June 16, 2011, 11:43:37 am: but its already done
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on August 14, 2011, 02:42:39 pm: ninja dont delete pitures can someone report this
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Jeff Vader on August 14, 2011, 02:50:32 pm: It was not a real person. Attachments are automatically deleted after a certain amount of time.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on August 14, 2011, 02:52:17 pm: Or when the forumwide limit for attachments has been reached. Bottom line, if you want your pictures to be displayed permanently, host them somewhere else (like imageshack, or photobucket).
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on August 14, 2011, 03:02:00 pm: why

some files is not gone
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on August 14, 2011, 03:08:00 pm: Yes, because they haven't been deleted yet. Attachments to forum posts are liable to be deleted at any time.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on August 14, 2011, 03:38:17 pm: please restore that
than can everybody see
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on August 14, 2011, 03:42:03 pm: It is not possible to restore attachments that have been deleted. You need to reupload them to an image hosting service such as the aforementioned photobucket or imageshack, then link to the images here.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: BlasterNT on August 14, 2011, 04:04:15 pm: This topic is just so surreal...
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Goober5000 on August 15, 2011, 12:15:07 am: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on August 14, 2011, 03:38:17 pm
please restore that
than can everybody see

Can you take more pictures? Or can you upload the missions themselves?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on August 15, 2011, 10:11:55 am: i am not agree with that

pictures are not to great for this site
please put them back
i want its fixed
please dont be foolish

please put it back
and than its ok
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on August 15, 2011, 10:29:06 am: Wouter, we can't. The pictures have been deleted from the server. We (as in, the HLP staff) cannot restore them, no matter how much we may want to. I refer you to my previous posts on the matter. If you want your pictures to be permanently visible you need to host them somewhere where they will not be deleted. HLP does not have the capacity to act as an image hosting server, so you need to use a different one, just like everyone else.

Seriously, how do you think the rest of us does it?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Darius on August 15, 2011, 10:53:26 am: Thread derailment removed -- that's not helpful, Darius.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Goober5000 on August 15, 2011, 10:55:07 am: WouterSmits:

Take more pictures. Post them here. Then we can save the pictures so that they will not be deleted.

The old pictures have been deleted and we cannot restore them.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: swamper123 on August 15, 2011, 11:09:51 am: Talking about pictures servers what did you recommend?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on August 15, 2011, 11:16:22 am: Photobucket or imageshack. I'm quite sure there are others as well, but those seem to be the ones used most often (unless you have a server of your own, of course).
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: TopAce on August 15, 2011, 11:25:44 am: Imageshack has been acting weirdly to me, so I suggest Photobucket.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: swamper123 on August 15, 2011, 11:29:41 am: Tinypic did you consider it as a good choice?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on August 15, 2011, 11:34:25 am: I have no experience with it.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on August 15, 2011, 11:46:43 am: about another pictures on freespace 2
and they are staying in the forms

noo you cant delete without warning
or say something
before you want to remove the give the warning massages

not delete whithoud warning
thats why i asked for restore
i am not agree whout warning deleted
thay most warning us
ok
if you understand me i do not reupload the picturs agein
sorry for my bad english
Quote from: The E on August 15, 2011, 10:29:06 am
Wouter, we can't. The pictures have been deleted from the server. We (as in, the HLP staff) cannot restore them, no matter how much we may want to. I refer you to my previous posts on the matter. If you want your pictures to be permanently visible you need to host them somewhere where they will not be deleted. HLP does not have the capacity to act as an image hosting server, so you need to use a different one, just like everyone else.

Seriously, how do you think the rest of us does it?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Commander Zane on August 15, 2011, 12:04:47 pm: It was said several times, upload the images to Imageshack or Photobucket and the images will stay.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on August 15, 2011, 01:19:18 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on August 15, 2011, 11:46:43 am
about another pictures on freespace 2
and they are staying in the forms

noo you cant delete without warning
or say something
before you want to remove the give the warning massages

not delete whithoud warning
thats why i asked for restore
i am not agree whout warning deleted
thay most warning us
ok
if you understand me i do not reupload the picturs agein
sorry for my bad english

No, wouter. Just No. We CANNOT warn everyone who has posted an attachment of its impending deletion, because the deletion process is mostly automated. And no, we can not and will not make an exception for you. If you want pictures to stay up permanently, host them somewhere else, not on HLP. That attachments are a temporary solution should come as no surprise.

Any further demands that we fix this will result in a warning. While we do give you more leeway than most regarding your poor english and difficulties in understanding, there is a limit, and you WILL reach it soon if you continue on like you have been. We do expect a minimum amount of decorum and courtesy, even from you.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Zacam on August 15, 2011, 01:27:10 pm: As The E has correctly mentioned:

Attachments are NOT permanent and are ONLY temporary. The server does not have enough space to hold the website, the forums, the hosted projects and Mantis and all attachments for all eternity.

Which means that the attachments will fade off from posts. It is done so by automation, oldest to newest. That there is a message that informs that it HAS been deleted is the courtesy that you get (it is also an automated message, there are several of them that it rotates through, no ONE individual is actually responsible for removing attachments regardless what the message says.)

That being said, you are perhaps quite correct that there is nothing that explicitly states that attachments are not permanent and are only temporary. I will look into seeing how we can better address that or make changes so that such information is presented with the option to attach items to post.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: swamper123 on August 23, 2011, 07:10:38 pm: Does anyone has his missions? I never could download them for some strange reason
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 10:43:22 am: sorry it was an bad campaign
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 10:44:12 am: and i cant go on withoud dark blue ships
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 03:21:14 pm: these are missions where i working on

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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 03:22:26 pm: there are more

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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 03:23:19 pm: thats all but some missions weapons isnt responding
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 03:24:12 pm: i need help from another ppl to create missions
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Post by: Deadly in a Shadow on January 14, 2012, 03:30:19 pm: Oh. Now I get it.

Shivan fighters and weapons are not intended to be available for the player. By default. You need to modify the ships.tbl and the weapons.tbl.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 03:49:51 pm: yes how
Can you explain of do it for me
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 04:04:59 pm: this is only one pic
And news about progress
i ve trying to create one mission

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Post by: PeterX on January 14, 2012, 04:06:01 pm: search in the ships.tbl file for the flagsentry of that shivan ships you want to make playable and add the entry "player_ship" to that lines.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 04:09:52 pm: mission news pic 2

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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 04:11:35 pm: I cant can someone do it for me
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 04:19:34 pm: i want this to be hosted projact how to do it
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 04:20:21 pm: than can i create many topics as i want
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 04:21:25 pm: it's needs to work in progerss
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Zacam on January 14, 2012, 04:26:15 pm: Wouter, for the love of the gods. I appreciate your enthusiasm and I love your dedication.

But could you please for the sake of all that is good, consider -editing- your posts to do multiple line responses instead of rapid fire posting multiple times? Please? It would be -greatly- appreciated.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: yuezhi on January 14, 2012, 04:27:41 pm: those pics look... wrong. what's that red band in the last one? it looks really out of place.

Since you apparently lack the basic skills in fred, refuse to try texturing your own ships and don't know what gimp is despite stickied topics mentioning it several times for instructive purposes, i doubt anyone will let you have a hosted board. otherwise, make a request at the "hosted support" section of HLP, not here. if you think your WIP is deserving of a board then so would other campaigns like The Antagonist.

everyone's trying to be constructive and you keep giving up. seriously, what gives?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 04:38:12 pm: i not give up but i cant do everything alone
if you think ive doining alone no i cant do it all by myself i have an handicap
I cant do everything alone becouse i have An handicap i cant use my hands well as you are and walking i cant
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 05:06:10 pm: heres mission news 3

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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 14, 2012, 05:46:23 pm: here's mission news 4

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Goober5000 on January 14, 2012, 06:12:44 pm: Isn't there a modpack that allows the player to fly as the Shivans?
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 15, 2012, 10:37:30 am: i dont know
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Post by: swamper123 on January 15, 2012, 08:12:34 pm: Extracting some files from Tides of Darkness mod , maybe, only guessing tough
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 17, 2012, 07:31:36 am: noo these have no blue ships
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Deadly in a Shadow on January 17, 2012, 10:05:21 am: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on January 17, 2012, 07:31:36 am
noo these have no blue ships
No, but they have PLAYABLE shivan ships. You need to modify the textures of the shivan ships yourself.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: PeterX on January 17, 2012, 11:12:59 am: Hi Swamper,
The extracting of these files are the right begin for it. .....copy of ship x,y,z and reskin and rename it....
@Woutersmitssm,
what ships have to be blue? let ´s see for class and model if the blue ships. all ships with Flag "player_ship" you can fly fom fighter up to a jaggernaut.
Peter
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 18, 2012, 03:16:18 am: Here's list what ships Blue Ships

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Post by: Vrets on January 18, 2012, 11:59:01 am: Textures aren't holding you back from finishing the rest of the mod...
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 18, 2012, 12:01:06 pm: but i needed blue shivan ships becouse is darkness
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Goober5000 on January 18, 2012, 03:12:45 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on January 18, 2012, 03:16:18 am
Here's list what ships Blue Ships
Oh.

Do you mean that you want the Shivan ships to appear as blue in the FRED menu?

That doesn't matter. Shivan ships are red in FRED because of the species. The color for the Terran species is blue and the color for the Shivan species is red.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 18, 2012, 03:15:33 pm: no as blue no red in the ships not as fred list
Title: Okay.
Post by: Vrets on January 18, 2012, 03:17:29 pm: Check (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=79620.20) your other thread. Blue Sathanas...accomplished...for some reason. Nemesis6 is the artist.

It looks very nice, which is disappointing because it proves that crazed, repetitious pleading can create art.

Spoiler:
ALL TERRAN SHIPS MUST BE RED OR I WILL HAVE TO ERASE MY 40 MISSION WIP CAMPAIGN!!!1101010binary
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on January 18, 2012, 03:37:01 pm: Please do not edit thread titles.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 19, 2012, 05:21:41 am: but now still cruisers left and fighters
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Post by: PeterX on January 19, 2012, 11:28:21 am: Ya don´t mean the color of the text in FRED you meant the textures. FRED has an order tho color the text as following condistion:
Text blue = Terran,Text green = Vasudan and Text red = Shivan and "Negator/Nightmare" aso...
Peter
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 19, 2012, 11:39:37 am: yes
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Post by: Goober5000 on January 20, 2012, 12:23:24 am: Is this what you want, WouterSmits?

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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 21, 2012, 10:29:40 am: yes everything blue
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Post by: swamper123 on January 21, 2012, 12:52:32 pm: Just thinking, why blue?
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 21, 2012, 01:29:57 pm: becouse it's darkness blue
shivans is darknes
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Post by: swamper123 on January 21, 2012, 03:38:10 pm: Well I think it is a creative idea, the red one for enemies is a bit stereotyped
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 21, 2012, 03:44:21 pm: ive seen only red shivans not blue
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Deadly in a Shadow on January 21, 2012, 04:12:24 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on January 21, 2012, 03:44:21 pm
ive seen only red shivans not blue
Because you need to do it yourself. Or find a texture pack or something like that.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Goober5000 on January 21, 2012, 04:44:28 pm: Here you are WouterSmitssm. This pack will change all Shivans to blue.
http://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/temp/blueshivans.zip

Be advised: This will only work on retail Shivan ships. It will not change the MediaVPs Shivan ships.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: PeterX on January 22, 2012, 03:09:47 am: Hope these maps are enough for his blue shivans.
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 23, 2012, 01:05:52 pm: i cant do this alone guys
I still need to lern how to use fred
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Goober5000 on January 23, 2012, 01:42:51 pm: Have you followed the FRED tutorial? You can find it under FreeSpace2\data\freddocs. Open index.html.
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Post by: swamper123 on January 23, 2012, 07:22:08 pm: The retail tutorial is enough to learn freding at least the basic , I learned from there, it is step by step, with examples and pictures, easy to learn in few words
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on January 24, 2012, 04:56:09 am: no i did still not
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Goober5000 on January 24, 2012, 10:54:04 pm: Here, I've taken the liberty of uploading the tutorial to FREDZone. Go ahead and read the tutorial. It will really help you learn FRED.

http://fredzone.hard-light.net/freddocs/
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Crybertrance on January 24, 2012, 11:45:35 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on January 24, 2012, 04:56:09 am
no i did still not

I don't think there is a simpler guide to FRED than the official Fred-docs... Its a little confusing a first (trust me..even I'm learning), but if you encounter any problems, even stupid and "n00b" ones, just make a thread or jump on the IRC, there are MANY helpful people here (trust me, again?)
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: swamper123 on January 25, 2012, 08:26:29 pm: I think he wanted to say, that he didn't follow the retail guide yet
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: PeterX on January 27, 2012, 12:27:22 pm: The best is dloading from that side,print it out and read it on demand. :nod:
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Post by: Crybertrance on January 28, 2012, 04:04:26 am: Quote from: PeterX on January 27, 2012, 12:27:22 pm
The best is dloading from that side,print it out and read it on demand. :nod:

Isn't it already present in the "Help" section of FRED?
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on February 04, 2012, 09:56:05 am: ok guys i still need modelers and texture ppl to help me i cant do this alone
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Goober5000 on February 04, 2012, 02:35:38 pm: We already provided you the package to make the Shivan models blue. Can you tell us if it works?
http://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/temp/blueshivans.zip
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on February 08, 2012, 06:34:41 am: good work goober5000
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on February 08, 2012, 07:02:38 am: why the hell did you not sfr dis to blue
please explain
:) :) :)
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on February 08, 2012, 07:26:13 am: ive working on this mission but it give's me no weapons help me out

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Crybertrance on February 08, 2012, 08:33:48 am: I don't know, maybe its a table error? post a debug log.. (fs_open.log)
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: mjn.mixael on February 08, 2012, 09:38:10 am: The Shrike doesn't have missile mounts.
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Post by: Rodo on February 08, 2012, 09:40:49 am: Yes, you might need to add some entries on the table indicating which weapons that ship can carry.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on February 08, 2012, 10:56:48 am: how to do that
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on February 08, 2012, 11:07:41 am: i am not an programmer expert
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: mjn.mixael on February 08, 2012, 11:17:08 am: You don't have to be a programmer, just read the Wiki (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Ships.tbl#Primary_Weapons).
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Post by: WouterSmitssm on February 08, 2012, 11:26:57 am: i cant get it done
I think can you do it
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Post by: swamper123 on February 08, 2012, 03:53:32 pm: I think the problem is that subach that you added, its a non player weapon I believe
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Post by: swamper123 on February 08, 2012, 03:56:12 pm: The tables are only text files in esence, you only have to find the ''correct words'' to add for the desired function , in the wiki is all that you need, you only have to search
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: yuezhi on February 08, 2012, 04:00:42 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on February 08, 2012, 07:02:38 am
why the hell did you not sfr dis to blue
please explain
:) :) :)
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

that profanity got my attention, your highness.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: swamper123 on February 08, 2012, 04:02:20 pm: Quote from: yuezhi on February 08, 2012, 04:00:42 pm
Quote from: WouterSmitssm on February 08, 2012, 07:02:38 am
why the hell did you not sfr dis to blue
please explain
:) :) :)
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
I think he refers to the shivan freighter
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: yuezhi on February 08, 2012, 04:14:16 pm: (http://siliconangle.com/files/2011/08/homer-doh.jpg)

@woutersmitt is that the only ship left for retexturing?

and for the third time, learn to edit your posts.
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: Goober5000 on February 08, 2012, 08:36:50 pm: Quote from: WouterSmitssm on February 08, 2012, 07:02:38 am
why the hell
That isn't very polite. :(

Quote
did you not sfr dis to blue
please explain
:) :) :)
It was a mistake. Here is a new file.
http://staff.hard-light.net/goober5000/temp/blueshivans.zip
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: LordPomposity on February 08, 2012, 10:06:19 pm: Let's see if this really works. Goober, why the hell isn't SoA released yet? :p
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Post by: Goober5000 on February 09, 2012, 01:38:49 am: Lots of reasons. :p
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on February 09, 2012, 06:13:41 am: ive requested to create anew shivans ship
is an cruiser

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Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: The E on February 09, 2012, 06:19:34 am: Please do not post the same thing twice in different boards. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=79620.msg1582615#msg1582615)
Title: Re: work in progress sathanaas custom campaign
Post by: WouterSmitssm on February 09, 2012, 06:24:32 am: ok sorry
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Post by: crizza on February 09, 2012, 06:59:45 am: I remember playing FreeSpace for the first time after finishing the campaign, I grabbed my pencil and paper and startet to draw simple pictures of potential new ship...from one side and above...
Then I did this in paint...honestly...I guess I was 13 back then...but even these were mmore recocnisable then this grey thing with the blue dot...
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Post by: yuezhi on February 09, 2012, 02:43:14 pm: i'm glad this world has lego.
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Post by: FelixJim on February 11, 2012, 12:02:21 pm: Quote from: The E on February 09, 2012, 06:19:34 am
Please do not post the same thing twice in different boards. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=79620.msg1582615#msg1582615)
In all fairness, this wasn't the same thing in two different boards. The other one was the request, this is just a status update on the project that a new craft may be in the pipeline.