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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: ZeroCooL on June 21, 2011, 03:37:09 pm
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Name GTF Apollo
Type Space Superiority
Manufacturer Han-Ronald Corp.
Maneuverability High (Fair)
Max Velocity 60 - 82 ms-1
Max Afterburner Velocity 140 ms-1
Armor Light (Medium)
Hitpoints 240 pts
Shields 350 pts
Length 21 m
Weaponry
Primary weapons
1st bank 2 guns
2nd bank 2 guns
Secondary weapons
1st bank capacity 40 missiles
2nd bank capacity 40 missiles
Countermeasures
Countermeasure capacity 25 countermeasures
Name GTF Perseus
Type Interceptor
Manufacturer Nankam Aeronautical
Maneuverability High
Max Velocity 80 - 100 ms-1
Max Afterburner Velocity 140 ms-1
Armor Average
Hitpoints 265 pts
Shields 350 pts
Length 17 m
Weaponry
Primary weapons
1st bank 2 guns
2nd bank 2 guns
Secondary weapons
1st bank capacity 40 missiles
2nd bank capacity 40 missiles
Countermeasures
Countermeasure capacity 40 countermeasures
The diferences are minimal!!, only the Speed, the perseus is more faster than an apollo! and the gun points are very similar too!
the perseus is an interceptor? or a Space superiority fighter??
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It's been said before the Perseus is a lot more of a space superiority fighter than an interceptor.
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You forgot weapons compatibility and maneuverability, two major attributes.
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....though frankly the Valkyrie had the best damn gun points ever. Close to the center of the ship's body, very tight spread of fire. With the other ships parallax always make hitting a lot harder.
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You forgot weapons compatibility and maneuverability, two major attributes.
The Apollo has slightly better maneuverability than the Valkyrie. Not sure the exact numbers for both the Apollo or Perseus off the top of my head.
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....though frankly the Valkyrie had the best damn gun points ever. Close to the center of the ship's body, very tight spread of fire. With the other ships parallax always make hitting a lot harder.
It could be better if the second bank wasn't on the wings, nothing has a tighter shot group than the Athena, but its limited compatability offsets it.
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You forgot weapons compatibility and maneuverability, two major attributes.
The Apollo has slightly better maneuverability than the Valkyrie. Not sure the exact numbers for both the Apollo or Perseus off the top of my head.
Apollo: 3.2, 3.2, 6.0
Valkyrie: 3.5, 3.5, 3.5
Perseus: 3.3, 3.3, 3.3
Well, that 6.0 for the Apollo is pretty bad, so I give a better grade on the Valk for maneuverability, despite the first two values being a bit better. And if you consider top and afterburner speed, you'll conclude that the Apollo is the absolute loser of this comparison.
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The 6.0 is roll. It isn't very important during dogfights, especially since the Apollo doesn't really have any thin profile to present its foes.
It's never been a secret for anyone that the Perseus is basically the Apollo MkII. Stats-wise, it has never been anywhere near an interceptor.
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The Apollo has quite a thin profile actually. Quite. Not very, but less than the blocky Herc or the noobis.
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Thats something I never liked about Freespace 2. There's close to zero technological advancement in fighters between fs1 and 2
It isn't until the Ares and Erinyes that you actually start to see a big difference.
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The 6.0 is roll. It isn't very important during dogfights, especially since the Apollo doesn't really have any thin profile to present its foes.
I use roll. :nervous:
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Thats something I never liked about Freespace 2. There's close to zero technological advancement in fighters between fs1 and 2
It isn't until the Ares and Erinyes that you actually start to see a big difference.
Yeah. There were some minor improvements between FS1 and FS2, but nothing like the huge technological strides we see during either campaign.
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It always seemed implied that the FS2 ships are better than the FS1 ships. When I got to looking at the stats.. I figure that was :v: just being lazy.
For example, the could either use the stats (or stats similar) to what they already worked on and balanced for FS1.. or try to make a totally new set of stats and spend the time to rebalanced it. (Who knows, perhaps they did the latter and ended up back near FS1 stats..)
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The Valk out turns the Apollo by a light year.
The Persie is like the Apollo except that it turns more like the Valk.
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The Valk out turns the Apollo by a light year.
The Persie is like the Apollo except that it turns more like the Valk.
And the Persie is more durable than a Valk....
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The Valk out turns the Apollo by a light year.
The Persie is like the Apollo except that it turns more like the Valk.
Like I said, the Apollo technically turns faster than the Valk but I think there's some sort of turning acceleration thing, which the Valk has the Apollo beat in. But the Apollo DOES turn faster and you can't argue with the tables.
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Well, it depends how you define "turns faster".
If I understand correctly, the Apollo has a better max turn rate, but Valk has a better turn acceleration. Which means than in some/most occasions, the Valk will indeed turn faster than the Apollo.
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Thats something I never liked about Freespace 2. There's close to zero technological advancement in fighters between fs1 and 2
It isn't until the Ares and Erinyes that you actually start to see a big difference.
One could argue that you'd expect to see more drive for improvement during a time of conflict than times of peace, and that the economic downturn after FS1 also played a factor. That said, warships seem to have improved significantly (except the Hecate) during that time with the addition of beams to a ship's firepower, so there was considerable improvement on that front.
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Remember that the GTVA was not at all about to slack on improving technology while the Shivans were gone. Why else did they go through the trouble to build the Colossus as an anti-lucifer measure?
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Why else did they go through the trouble to build the Colossus as an anti-lucifer measure?
Well, mainly for propaganda, really.
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Well, it depends how you define "turns faster".
If I understand correctly, the Apollo has a better max turn rate, but Valk has a better turn acceleration. Which means than in some/most occasions, the Valk will indeed turn faster than the Apollo.
Thanks, commodore redundancy! :P
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At your service dear sir ;p
It's just that people tend to look at the stats without looking at the meaning behind them.
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Why else did they go through the trouble to build the Colossus as an anti-lucifer measure?
Well, mainly for propaganda, really.
except the colossus project was classified to the point the first you supposedly first hear about it in an officers briefing after it's first combat deployment, a bit difficult to use it as propaganda when you cant tell people what it is.
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How does the Pegasus match up to all the fighters here?
Why else did they go through the trouble to build the Colossus as an anti-lucifer measure?
Well, mainly for propaganda, really.
except the colossus project was classified to the point the first you supposedly first hear about it in an officers briefing after it's first combat deployment, a bit difficult to use it as propaganda when you cant tell people what it is.
I mean, how can ANYONE miss a huge 6km ship being built over the orbit of <planet> which has been...going for, twenty years?
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I mean, how can ANYONE miss a huge 6km ship being built over the orbit of <planet> which has been...going for, twenty years?
Same reason they couldn't find Argon anywhere but Sol, because they weren't looking hard enough
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Apparently in the future eyesight will have seriously degraded...
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Space is enormous. Simple as that. You really expect a single ship to be easily found like that?
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It's actually expecting potentially millions of people seeing it. Ah... I don't really care anyway. :P
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They used the same technology that's used so that people don't notice the TARDIS (I don't mean camouflage, I mean the thing that makes you disregard it). :p
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except the colossus project was classified to the point the first you supposedly first hear about it in an officers briefing after it's first combat deployment, a bit difficult to use it as propaganda when you cant tell people what it is.
Err, wut.
Last time I checked, Khonsu II made a public speech before the General Assembly about that project before they even started it. The only things classified were the "briefing" of this cutscene, because it includes the technical specs of the Collie, but its existence wasn't hidden. It's not like if it was possible to hide such a project in the first place, nor that the GTVA had any interest in hiding such a powerful propaganda asset.
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except the colossus project was classified to the point the first you supposedly first hear about it in an officers briefing after it's first combat deployment, a bit difficult to use it as propaganda when you cant tell people what it is.
Err, wut.
Last time I checked, Khonsu II made a public speech before the General Assembly about that project before they even started it. The only things classified were the "briefing" of this cutscene, because it includes the technical specs of the Collie, but its existence wasn't hidden. It's not like if it was possible to hide such a project in the first place, nor that the GTVA had any interest in hiding such a powerful propaganda asset.
Interesting... I had always assumed it ws kept secret until deployment, but that makes a lot of sense. (I remember wondering about the Khonsu II speech and figured it was a secret speech or something and shrugged it off.
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The Apollo will always have a special place in my heart. I always imagine that the first "fighter" class ship that we put into space will look something like it.
Can't remember if the Apollo was relatively fast, like the Perseus. Recall it was just an all-around balanced fighter.
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Apollo and Perseus have the exact same burner stats. The Persie has however a better standard max speed, but who uses that anyway.
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Err, wut.
Last time I checked, Khonsu II made a public speech before the General Assembly about that project before they even started it. The only things classified were the "briefing" of this cutscene, because it includes the technical specs of the Collie, but its existence wasn't hidden. It's not like if it was possible to hide such a project in the first place, nor that the GTVA had any interest in hiding such a powerful propaganda asset.
The Colossus was classified before deployment. None of the people in The Sixth Wonder recognized it; Command had to tell you about it. The NTF was utterly unprepared and unable to fight it. If they had known it existed, they would have at least tried and probably succeeded with coming up with a means to delay it. Instead the Colossus reduced the NTF to irrelevancy all on its own.
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It was classified Level Rho.
I have a feeling it was more of an "open secret" though. Everyone knew something of that kind existed, but they weren't allowed to talk about it and didn't know any specifics.
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Something akin to the Manhattan Project? Major undertaking, mostly kept secret. Tipped the balance of the war.
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It was classified Level Rho.
I have a feeling it was more of an "open secret" though. Everyone knew something of that kind existed, but they weren't allowed to talk about it and didn't know any specifics.
That may be, actually. The tech description of the Hades in FS2 suggested that there were rumors of a second Hades vessel being built, so perhaps the rumors were about another Hades when in fact it turned out to be a Colossus.
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That may be, actually. The tech description of the Hades in FS2 suggested that there were rumors of a second Hades vessel being built, so perhaps the rumors were about another Hades when in fact it turned out to be a Colossus.
Yeah. This.