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Site Management => Site Support / Feedback => Topic started by: DarthWang on June 22, 2011, 02:22:13 am
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All I did was send him a message with some constructive criticism :doubt:
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He doesn't take criticism well, and since he's the member of the HLP oligarchy, any opposition will bring about swift punishment.
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Then demote him!
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Just a friendly advise. If you think your message was "constructive" AND "criticism", but it got you banned for two weeks, maybe, just maybe, you should take another look at the message and think about it.
And TopAce, I hope you aren't going to drive-by post again. I'm not sure if you even know what or who this is all about.
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Since as a designer, I've been very much affected by Spoon's constant negativity in release thread and his powers to burn whichever campaign release thread he wishes. I am deeply concerned that no matter how much effort one puts into the campaign, he comes by, posts some short-sighted selective negativity, then sets the tone for the remainder of the release thread.
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My message was completely serious and good. I got banned for no reason.
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Since as a designer, I've been very much affected by Spoon's constant negativity in release thread and his powers to burn whichever campaign release thread he wishes. I am deeply concerned that no matter how much effort one puts into the campaign, he comes by, posts some short-sighted selective negativity, then sets the tone for the remainder of the release thread.
Cite sources or get out.
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Guys I get the feeling that you're ignoring me and talking about something else....
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Guys I get the feeling that you're ignoring me and talking about something else....
It's probably better for you if we do. You have a known history of trolling on the subject.
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My message was completely serious and good. I got banned for no reason.
Having seen it, I'd beg to differ.
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I WAS NOT TROLLING!
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http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=75180.0
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All I did was send him a message with some constructive criticism :doubt:
fs2freak is that you?
If it was anything like the comments in that thread, then no, it certainly was not constructive criticism. You can say all you want that Wings of Dawn had a lot of Star Control in it, no one disputes that. Not even Spoon. I'm a religious SC2 player and an avid Wings of Dawn fan, and I wasn't bothered by it. Even if you don't like it, the best thing to do isn't to sit back, having not played it, and call it ripoff anime bull**** and the several other things you said in that thread. That's not constructive criticism, that's downright inflammatory.
Also, calling the admin who banned you a wise guy isn't a quick way to endear yourself to the community.
And TopAce, this isn't the first time I've seen this, but whatever problems you and Spoon have with each other, sort them the **** out already. The two of you are by far two of the most productive and talented FREDers on the board, and you're wasting a lot of energy carrying on with this drive-by ****posting of a vendetta. I don't know what he did to make you so mad, but you have to let it go.
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I was banned for the PM I sent, not the thread. The PM was nothing but constructive criticism.
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I guess you have your own definitions for "constructive" and "criticism".
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I was banned for the PM I sent, not the thread. The PM was nothing but constructive criticism.
Holy ****, I just saw the PM for myself.
No, that was not constructive criticism. At all. "retarded", "****ing gay", "all your jokes are retarded", and "cool kids picking on you" is just ****ing unnecessary.
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Those were called jokes. Learn a sense of humor.
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I think you're the one that needs to learn a bit about "sense of humour".
Jokes? Those aren't jokes.
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Yes, I freely admit that was trolling
fyp.
Go check page six, SF Kraken thread.
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Yeah but the PM wasn't trolling. It was just constructive criticism.
Seriously, lighten up you guys. It's not as if anime fans even count as real people anyway :P
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Yeah but the PM wasn't trolling. It was just constructive criticism.
Then share it with us. So far everyone who's seen it has called it an atrocity and nothing of the sort.
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Those were called jokes. Learn a sense of humor.
"****ing gay" and "retarded" aren't jokes. Something like "the ship designs are so anime I thought I was gonna be tentacle raped" or "you forgot the Pkunk :p " or "*jumping peppers* this sucks!" would be jokes. Offensive and tasteless anyway, but at least they would be jokes.
The contents of that PM were just over the top inflammatory. Everyone who's seen it says so, and if a lot of people are saying your "jokes" aren't funny, it's not always because they don't get it.
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You have to understand. I do harsh criticism, I really do. I've told people to their face their work was ****. But I backed it up with substantive commentary on why it's ****. (In that particular case it was that they were descriptively capable and pants-on-the-head with dialogue, and the description slowly disappeared from the story as it went on.)
And I'm not seeing any evidence that was done here.
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I did too, I explained myself very well. I didn't flame him. If I was actually going to flame him, I would have said something like
"Hey retard, your campaign sucks and you suck for making it. Go **** yourself."
That isn't the kind of message I was trying to send at all.
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I did too, I explained myself very well. I didn't flame him. If I was actually going to flame him, I would have said something like
"Hey retard, your campaign sucks and you suck for making it. Go **** yourself."
That isn't the kind of message I was trying to send at all.
But you did something bad, because of that you were banned.
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I did too, I explained myself very well. I didn't flame him. If I was actually going to flame him, I would have said something like
"Hey retard, your campaign sucks and you suck for making it. Go **** yourself."
That isn't the kind of message I was trying to send at all.
Then either produce the PM or explain what you did so that those knowledgeable can comment.
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I did too, I explained myself very well. I didn't flame him. If I was actually going to flame him, I would have said something like
"Hey retard, your campaign sucks and you suck for making it. Go **** yourself."
That isn't the kind of message I was trying to send at all.
Except it's exactly what you said.
I'll quote it word-for-word:
Scrap the retarded anime designs. In fact, remove all of the anime references altogether - it's ****ing gay.
*snip*
Drop the retarded jokes. If you are having trouble telling which jokes in your campaign are retarded, here is a handy guide: All of them.
*snip*
Stop blatantly ripping off Star Control 2. You disgrace its good name.
You were inflammatory, and now you're trying to cover your ass by saying it was constructive criticism mixed with jokes. It wasn't--it was ****ing stupid. Just own up to it already.
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I think DarthWang is trolling again.
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No, I criticized his work, not the person himself. That doesn't count as flaming.
BTW you left off most of the PM, quote the whole thing
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Calling someone's work "lame", "retarded", "gay" and "****ing gay" is inflammatory. And thus counts as flaming.
In fact I think you deserve a lot worse than what you got. You're bloody lucky you got off so light, so stop pushing it.
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Quote the whole PM, you only quoted it selectively to make me look bad.
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Well, uh, if you're one of those non-anime-fan cool kids, quote it yourself and demonstrate your coolness to us.
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Quote the whole PM, you only quoted it selectively to make me look bad.
Why haven't you?
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I don't know how to find a copy of it, I sent it weeks ago
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That was the majority of the PM. The rest was either "Gargants" or trying to say that calling someone's work "****ing gay" or "retarded" qualified as "serious suggestions" to improve his campaign.
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DarthWang, you can't copy and paste?
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(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9562/wangpm.png)
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No, you left out a lot of important parts. You only quoted the worst parts.
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Thank you, finally. See, I was giving good constructive criticism and I hoped that if he took my suggestions to heart, he would have a good campaign. I did nothing wrong.
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r u stupid?
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Thank you, finally. See, I was giving good constructive criticism and I hoped that if he took my suggestions to heart, he would have a good campaign. I did nothing wrong.
Oh dude.....
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Now you guys are the ones trolling
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You can't possibly think you're constructive, so quit pretending and stop trolling.
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Thank you, finally. See, I was giving good constructive criticism and I hoped that if he took my suggestions to heart, he would have a good campaign. I did nothing wrong.
lol stfu gtfo.
No seriously. Get the **** out.
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Now you guys are the ones trolling
Thank you, finally. See, I was giving good constructive criticism and I hoped that if he took my suggestions to heart, he would have a good campaign. I did nothing wrong.
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkspouKES11qg8zyr.gif)
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Of course I was. If he followed my suggestions (well the Gargant part was a joke, I didn't seriously expect him to add any)
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I don't want to headdesk. In this case..
(http://www.zaaap.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/facepalm2_www.zaaap_.tk_.jpg)
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Okay, what is wrong here?
If he followed my suggestions for his next campaign, I would find it much more enjoyable than otherwise. Therefore, I was giving valid criticism and suggestions and not trolling.
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If he followed my suggestions for his next campaign, I would find it much more enjoyable than otherwise. Therefore, I was giving valid criticism and suggestions and not trolling.
You don't understand. If he would follow your suggestions, the campaign would be enjoyable for YOU, not most of the WoD-Fans and players here. The anime-style is exactly that what makes FS2 turning into WoD.
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Thank you, finally. See, I was giving good constructive criticism and I hoped that if he took my suggestions to heart, he would have a good campaign. I did nothing wrong.
lol stfu gtfo.
No seriously. Get the **** out.
To be honest, I wanted to say this.
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If he followed my suggestions for his next campaign, I would find it much more enjoyable than otherwise. Therefore, I was giving valid criticism and suggestions and not trolling.
You don't understand. If he would follow your suggestions, the campaign would be enjoyable for YOU, not most of the WoD-Fans and players here. The anime-style is exactly that what makes FS2 turning into WoD.
But that part just makes it plain terrible.
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If he followed my suggestions for his next campaign, I would find it much more enjoyable than otherwise. Therefore, I was giving valid criticism and suggestions and not trolling.
You don't understand. If he would follow your suggestions, the campaign would be enjoyable for YOU, not most of the WoD-Fans and players here. The anime-style is exactly that what makes FS2 turning into WoD.
But that part just makes it plain terrible.
That's your perspective. Most of the people here appreciate the style.
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Therefore, I was giving valid criticism and suggestions and not trolling.
You have no conception of the words you are using. Do not speak them again.
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"****ing gay" and "retard" aren't really valid descriptions in constructive criticism. You are "criticizing" a user-made mod to a space game and call an aspect of it "****ing gay". I don't know what it means where you come from, but to me "****ing gay" creates an image of a homosexual person engaging in sexual intercourse. How anime references could be homosexuals engaging in sexual intercourse is beyond my understanding.
Edit: I suppose it could also refer to a person engaging in sexual intercourse with a homosexual, but the wisdom behind it still eludes me.
Also, don't like anime? Don't play WoD. And don't expect the maker to change it just because you and you alone (ok, you and noodle) don't like anime.
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Everyone with good taste doesn't like anime.
I was just giving suggestions to make it better. If he wants to keep it terrible for some crazy reason, fine, but that's no reason to ban me.
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Your jokes are ****ing stupid. Every dead insult comic is spinning in their grave. I also recommend never mentioning the Gargant again; people here won't want to see you dead.
Now note the difference between that and:
I think you worded your criticism in a very insensitive and inflammatory way. If you want to make suggestions for someone to improve their campaign, you should avoid using words like "****ing gay" or "retarded." It'll make them more receptive to your ideas. Also, I think if you dialed back on the mentions of Gargants, people may start to take you more seriously here.
The way you worded your PM is closer to the first example. The second example is what you want to word it as. And if you don't like anime, just don't play WoD!
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Everyone with good taste doesn't like anime.
Ah, so you are one of those "My opinions are the right ones, if you disagree with me, you suck" people. Gotcha.
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Everyone with good taste doesn't like anime.
I was just giving suggestions to make it better. If he wants to keep it terrible for some crazy reason, fine, but that's no reason to ban me.
Don't flame again, and you won't be banned. If you think anime is terrible, it's your problem. Like Jeff Vader already said, don't play WoD.
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This has got to be trolling...
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Paging Karaj to the thread for murder and mayhem.
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This thread is over.
This discussion is pointless.
DarthWang, if you feel you have been wronged, leave. Seriously. You are not helping your case. You are, quite clearly, in the wrong and you did deserve everything that happened. Given your behaviour here, you certainly deserve more punishment.
Poll closed. This is not a popularity contest.
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Paging Karaj to the thread for murder and mayhem.
Nobody expects the Grammar Inquisition!
Srsly, I get swamped with stuff to do on the day DarthWang gets back? Not cool. :sigh:
Anyway, DarthWang quite obviously didn't get the message via either the ban or the three pages of discussion that followed, so he's now banned for a month. We can keep this up all year if need be.
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I'd have given him a month too so the outcome is no different.