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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: samiam on April 25, 2012, 01:51:14 pm
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First off let's clear things up, my definition of singularity is much more realistic than the average transhumanist. It merely means the use of synthetic biology, genetic engineering, tissue engineering to eliminate aging and create living infrastructure that's self sufficient like a forest that lasts millions of years without maintenance.
In particular I'm referring to the use of computer assisted surgery and young skin either through cellular or surgical therapies, giving child bodies to adults(greatest brain volume is acquired in childhood so it shouldn't be a problem.).
Already there are petite adult flat chested 18 year old women whom's nude photographs may border on illegal. But in a few decades both virtual reality as well as advanced computer assisted tissue engineered aided surgery should allow for adults to have the bodies of children.
This will in essence make such sexual attraction feasible as there will be adult, although as stated there already are adults in their 20s with small childlike bodies.
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I should add that the transhumanist movement is pro-body change in general. Transexualism, furriness, even alien bodies are acceptable if you feel confortable in them. Virtual reality, photorealistic virtual reality will allow for all kinds of bodies to be controlled from neural interfaces.
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perverts!
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First off let's clear things up, my definition of singularity is much more realistic than the average transhumanist. It merely means the use of synthetic biology, genetic engineering, tissue engineering to eliminate aging and create living infrastructure that's self sufficient like a forest that lasts millions of years without maintenance.
Your definition != anyone else's.
Regarding your (extremely stupid) point, no, it won't make these laws "irrelevant", just way harder to police.
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First off let's clear things up, my definition of singularity is much more realistic than the average transhumanist. It merely means the use of synthetic biology, genetic engineering, tissue engineering to eliminate aging and create living infrastructure that's self sufficient like a forest that lasts millions of years without maintenance.
Your definition != anyone else's.
Regarding your (extremely stupid) point, no, it won't make these laws "irrelevant", just way harder to police.
But cp laws deal not with sex, but with imagery, in places like united states even nonsexual nudity could be considered pornography. It's not the first time virtual and manga have been attempted to be made illegal if they feature nude minors or imaginary sex.
To me as an artist it is an insult, renaissance painters could easily paint nude minors and babies. Why can't I use my computer artist skills to do the same?
Tissue engineering will allow the construction of entire flesh bodies without brains, a simple chip and remote control, from the pc, meat dolls become possible.
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e: It'll be interesting to see how social taboos adapt to expanded technological power over body and behavior. But I think the prohibition against sexualizing children exists because children are unable to consent and are often exploited. Mimicking childlike features will be taboo inasmuch as it represents a risk factor for this kind of exploitation -- and if you're, uh, attracted to childlike facsimiles, you'll probably be seen as someone who's likely to be attracted to children as well.
As long as there are children I don't think the taboo against fetishizing childlike features should or will go away.
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But cp laws deal not with sex, but with imagery, in places like united states even nonsexual nudity could be considered pornography. It's not the first time virtual and manga have been attempted to be made illegal if they feature nude minors or imaginary sex.
Yeahno. You are an idiot.
To me as an artist it is an insult, renaissance painters could easily paint nude minors and babies. Why can't I use my computer artist skills to do the same?
These laws aren't about you. These laws are about ****wits abusing actual real children for the amusements of some other ****wits.
Tissue engineering will allow the construction of entire flesh bodies without brains, a simple chip and remote control, from the pc, meat dolls become possible.
Just muddying the waters, nothing more. Read Rule 34 by C. Stross.
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Read Rule 34 by C. Stross.
The E, I can't image you reading that book. But it does speak volumes.
The leaders of the world will be reshaped by the ideal or they will die by the power of the ideal divine will. One order, one nation, one thought, the future is unity.
Evolution dictated skin color changes and man had to put up with it, evolution dictates a new world, a posthuman state, the corporations are the ancestors of the future superhuman entities that will oversee the law, that shall be the law.
It's happening right now, you just need to go to the right internet sites, and you will see that it is nearly humanly impossible to keep up with the work coming out of labs all over the world.
The abolition of aging alone would be a monumental thing that is within decades, at least in animals, the solution to the aging problem already exists in nature, we will reverse engineer it.
Some whale species are basically immune to cancer. Some alligators can have open large wounds in swamp bacteria filled water and survive thanks to super immmune systems. Some snakes can keep without eating for half a year. All the powers of all the animal kingdom, with genetic engineering can be transfered to humanity.... and even more imagine if instead of axons you had optical interconnects, and instead of neurotransmitters,faster all optical signal processing thanks to synthetic biology. 1 year would be over a million years of subjective experience, similar processors could generate virtual reality at such accelerated rates.
Ethics committees don't want people like me to experiment with cloning, or to alter the westermarck effect from reverse sexual imprint to actual sexual imprint, or the other nasty human experiments people like me have in mind. But as our power grows, it will eventually eclipse that of the weak, that of the unfit. The fit survive, the fit lead, the fit are meant to rule.
The purposeless, the meaningless, lives of most humans need to be given purpose, meaning, they need someone strong enough to not simply be given power, but to take it by force.
I could elaborate a little more, if anyone's interested.
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I will humour this thread once.
First off let's clear things up, my definition of singularity is much more realistic than the average transhumanist. It merely means the use of synthetic biology, genetic engineering, tissue engineering to eliminate aging and create living infrastructure that's self sufficient like a forest that lasts millions of years without maintenance.
Your definition != anyone else's.
Regarding your (extremely stupid) point, no, it won't make these laws "irrelevant", just way harder to police.
But cp laws deal not with sex, but with imagery, in places like united states even nonsexual nudity could be considered pornography. It's not the first time virtual and manga have been attempted to be made illegal if they feature nude minors or imaginary sex.
Not sure about your part of the world but here It deals with all aspects of child protection
To me as an artist it is an insult, renaissance painters could easily paint nude minors and babies. Why can't I use my computer artist skills to do the same?
Morality has evolved since then, better or worse is subjective on the situation and the intent of the artist.
Tissue engineering will allow the construction of entire flesh bodies without brains, a simple chip and remote control, from the pc, meat dolls become possible.
As The E says, such techniques make laws difficult to police, not irrelevant. Children still need protecting regardless of the technological situation. From a technical standpoint your main need would be to prove synthetic vs real. The moral standpoint is very murky, up there with genetic manipulation.
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The fit survive, the fit lead, the fit are meant to rule.
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I remember a guy saying that. He died. He was not fit to rule either.
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The E, I can't image you reading that book. But it does speak volumes.
Really? I am one of the biggest Stross fanboys you can find on this board.
The leaders of the world will be reshaped by the ideal or they will die by the power of the ideal divine will. One order, one nation, one thought, the future is unity.
Right.
Evolution dictated skin color changes and man had to put up with it, evolution dictates a new world, a posthuman state, the corporations are the ancestors of the future superhuman entities that will oversee the law, that shall be the law.
Riiiiight. So a bunch of highly sociopathic individuals are the template for the future? Thank god I do not have to occupy the same worldline as you.
It's happening right now, you just need to go to the right internet sites, and you will see that it is nearly humanly impossible to keep up with the work coming out of labs all over the world.
O RLY? While it is certainly impossible to go through the combined output of millions of scientists around the world, the question of how much of that work truly is groundbreaking is still open to debate. I am pretty sure that the truly disruptive techs are popularized pretty soon after discovery.
The abolition of aging alone would be a monumental thing that is within decades, at least in animals, the solution to the aging problem already exists in nature, we will reverse engineer it.
uh-huh. Call me again after the human trials are complete.
Some whale species are basically immune to cancer. Some alligators can have open large wounds in swamp bacteria filled water and survive thanks to super immmune systems. Some snakes can keep without eating for half a year. All the powers of all the animal kingdom, with genetic engineering can be transfered to humanity.... and even more imagine if instead of axons you had optical interconnects, and instead of neurotransmitters,faster all optical signal processing thanks to synthetic biology. 1 year would be over a million years of subjective experience, similar processors could generate virtual reality at such accelerated rates.
Nature sure is nice.
Although I think you are living in a world where neuroscience is a lot more mature than it is here in this reality.
Ethics committees don't want people like me to experiment with cloning, or to alter the westermarck effect from reverse sexual imprint to actual sexual imprint, or the other nasty human experiments people like me have in mind. But as our power grows, it will eventually eclipse that of the weak, that of the unfit. The fit survive, the fit lead, the fit are meant to rule.
HEIL SAMIAM!
The purposeless, the meaningless, lives of most humans need to be given purpose, meaning, they need someone strong enough to not simply be given power, but to take it by force.
HEIL SAMIAM!
I could elaborate a little more, if anyone's interested.
No, I don't think we need more elaboration from an evilutionary "artist" like you.
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The leaders of the world will be reshaped by the ideal or they will die by the power of the ideal divine will. One order, one nation, one thought, the future is unity.
Evolution dictated skin color changes and man had to put up with it, evolution dictates a new world, a posthuman state, the corporations are the ancestors of the future superhuman entities that will oversee the law, that shall be the law.
Your posthuman state sucks. Evolution is a local-optimized greedy search algorithm with no provision for global optimae. You invoke it like a weird religious creed without any real understanding of what the word means; you think it's some kind of 'up the long ladder' impulse, some steady crawl towards a distant aleph, but it's just the creeping change in allele frequency across a population.
If you want to come up with a *****in' schizofascist posthuman topia you really shouldn't start by invoking anything as messy and suboptimized as 'evolution'.
Ethics committees don't want people like me to experiment with cloning, or to alter the westermarck effect from reverse sexual imprint to actual sexual imprint, or the other nasty human experiments people like me have in mind. But as our power grows, it will eventually eclipse that of the weak, that of the unfit. The fit survive, the fit lead, the fit are meant to rule.
haha you don't know what fit means either
This seems like a common pitfall people fall into on the way to know anything about biology or transhumanism -- they get a surface glimpse of the potential power of transhuman methodologies, absorb no understanding of the actual challenges involved, conflate it with a para-religious misunderstanding of 'evolution' as some kind of march towards destiny, and then topple down on the bodies heaped in this weird neo-social-Darwinist pit.
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hi reddit
I spend hours and hours a day there, but this is the first time I've gotten my passion for neoteny off my (substantially padded) chest.
Also, IMAGE UPLOAD UNSUCCESSFUL.
HEIL SAMIAM!
Thank you, I really appreciate your understanding. As I won't go into here I had a very difficult childhood.
No, I don't think we need more elaboration from an evilutionary "artist" like you.
You might not, but be considerate.
If you want to come up with a *****in' schizofascist posthuman topia you really shouldn't start by invoking anything as messy and suboptimized as 'evolution'.
That's why animal nature will be well understood by science. 100s of Phd researchers aided by computer tools and the internet constitute a swarm intelligence like superintelligence. It is likely that just as complex billion transistor chips can be built by them, and so can boeings, so too can eventually multicellular synthetic biology products.
Ageless organs, ageless bodies, ageless streets and buildings that self-repair. Synthetic biology probes that can terraform planets. The end of aging and decay, the era of abundance, full automation, and the abolition of work. A world were the virtual becomes prevalent, and the mind is freed from the confines of the flesh and the laws of physics.
Reproduction will require a license, and child abuse will be negligible. The government will provide a living wage and living accommodations to each and every citizen. Artificial wombs with full sterilization of the population will ensure abortion even natural abortion is a thing of the past.
Nuclear energy will provide the energy.
fossil fuel is not going to last very long. Without full nuclear energy independence the prospects for humanity as a whole are grim. We must hope nuclear can provide, it is the only long term hope. Or else a license to reproduce, and childbirth restriction on a global scale.
Some say Nuclear is no hope at all. The waste problems are intractable, the engineering and human dependences unpalatable. Wind, solar thermal, geothermal. More than enough.
The waste can be thrown somewhere else at worst, we need energy to terraform planets, to extract from the asteroid belts resources. And even the sun is said to have trouble in a few billion years. Nuclear fusion and fission can last for 100s of billions of years according to proponents, and can allow man to colonize the cosmos and survive even when many of the stars die out.
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thanks for your pioneering post on the transhuman utopia we've all been playing tennis with for 20 years
it goes like this
1. the present
2. ~a singularity occurs!~
3. now i, samiam, can have sex with childlike adults
it's very nice.
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Nuclear energy will provide the energy.
Nuclear runs out.
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samiam, seriously start a blog with a Q&A feature, and leave out of discussions of this emotional depth here until you hit 20 or otherwise great enough emotional maturity to research your point and discuss, there are more than enough preachers on here already.
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that's right mustang you should start a blog
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If this is what our future looks like, then i don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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Nuclear runs out.
Subtle adhomimem strawman diversion with a side of cherrypicking. That's not the point, Joshua.
I've heard that in australia 18+year old small breasted woman porn is censored, not sure if true. But age means nothing if biological age matches. Theoretically one could even erase memories and rejuvenate the brain. Irregardless synthetic biology replicant like artificial humans, and agis will be young and employed in the sex industry.
cp laws are ridiculous, the laws border on thought crime police. We know that video or photographic evidence of torture, theft, assassinations, etc. are legal to possess and distribute. Separating one type of crime solely when involving a certain class of citizens as special and taboo, is ridiculous. The law should be equitable, and all citizens should be equal before the law. If it is legal to possess images and videos of far worse crimes inflicted on the same citizens, the puritan antinudity reasoning is simply not enough, not enough to justify the laws or the penalties involved.
In any case the veracity of certain individuals existing or not, is not the point. It is the supernatural claims that demand evidence. Neo-nazis can spruce of Hitler as a divine being and ascribe all sort of miracles to him, even if everything lines up historically, their supernatural claims would rest on nothing but thin air.
With regards to nazis, that was based on speculation, genetically engineered superhumans are based on real measurements. If the creativity and intellect far exceed the common man, than those who're superior should be the leaders.
How many false prophets and evidently false religions have not sprung up? And withstood the test of time. (E.g Scientology)
A Christian will carry out works of goodness and kindness that God requires. In Islam, a person has to carry out a set of prescribed rules and then Allah may accept such a person. The only guaranteed way, Allah will be totally pleased to definitely accept someone is if that person had become a martyr for the Islamic faith.
A few dozen virgins in the afterlife, iirc. What a paltry gift, maybe something to marvel at for primitive men. But this world allows those in power to have a thousand fold as many virgins, and eventually even immortality.
A terrorist filming a beheading and distributing it, and those other news agency further distributing it, is perfectly legal, even if it involved a child. Horrible crime, horrible message, perfectly legal.
I cannot stand that an individual would be incarcerated for possessing mere photos, these are not nuclear codes, or things of national security, wherein information is a threat to national security. These are mere images or videos, how can the liberty of an individual be removed because of something that can easily be planted as evidence by almost anyone with a mere pen drive on a hidden folder.
Even through mere net access, it can be planted by a hacker. If your computer is unknowingly hacked it could be used to host and distribute such content without your consent or knowledge.
Besides that there are countries where we do not interfere and where the age of consent is low enough that child pornography need not involve criminal activity in the countries wherein it is created. Either we interfere and force our age of consent laws, or if we're going to allow such to go on somewhere else in the world, the recordings of such legal couples sexual activities should not involve prosecution upon entering U.S. soil... we know people like the pope can't be touched, and neither can someone with the backings of a nuclear state.
I should also add that if a couple of twelve year old teens engage and record their sexual activity, they should be free to distribute and charge for it, assuming no third coercing party is involved of course.
until you're 20
I'm 34. Want to hear some stories?
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If this is what our future looks like, then i don't want to live on this planet anymore. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA)
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what the ****
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If this is what our future looks like, then i don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Agreed.
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