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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: The E on July 18, 2012, 01:22:09 am
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Brought to you by the Department of Irony:
http://blog.atlasshruggedmovie.com/2012/07/volunteers-wanted-dallas-tx.html
So yeah.
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I'm trying desperately not to giggle.
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This is too good to be true.
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So I have been doing a bunch of googling about this cause I had no idea what this was and why it was ironic. after learning I'm still coming up empty. . ..though it is 3:30 a.m. maybe it'll make sense tmrw
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So I have been doing a bunch of googling about this cause I had no idea what this was and why it was ironic. after learning I'm still coming up empty. . ..though it is 3:30 a.m. maybe it'll make sense tmrw
I am guessing it has something to do with.
Atlas Shrugged is a novel by Ayn Rand, first published in 1957 in the United States. Rand's fourth and last novel, it was also her longest, and the one she considered to be her magnum opus in the realm of fiction writing.[1] Atlas Shrugged includes elements of mystery and science fiction,[2] and it contains Rand's most extensive statement of Objectivism in any of her works of fiction.
The book explores a dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged
but then I could be wide of the mark.
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Remember: To the proper capitalist, volunteers are just very naive slave labor.
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So I have been doing a bunch of googling about this cause I had no idea what this was and why it was ironic. after learning I'm still coming up empty. . ..though it is 3:30 a.m. maybe it'll make sense tmrw
Might want to wikipedia Objectivism or something.
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Ayn Rand used to make fun of "volunteers", for their utter stuppidity. She battled furiously against altruism, considered it to be one of the greatest evils in our society.
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Objectivism: the philosophy of being a smug asshole about everything.
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The whole thing is truly brilliant. :)
I hope a great number of Aras sign up and turn the whole thing into the most monumental display of hypocrisy in this decade (at least.) :)
Objectivism: the philosophy of being a smug asshole about everything.
... and of betraying your ideals if you get to make a movie ? :)
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... and of betraying your ideals if you get to make a movie ? :)
Nobody said they were Objectivists, just trying to make money off them.
Which is in its own way almost as amusing.
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... and of betraying your ideals if you get to make a movie ? :)
Nobody said they were Objectivists, just trying to make money off them.
Which is in its own way almost as amusing.
... which won't prevent any Objectivists from volunteering in order to promote their ideology... oh wait, snap! :)
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...which is a leap of logic that is not supported nor even implied in the article. Try again.
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...which is a leap of logic that is not supported nor even implied in the article. Try again.
... what it is, is a (very amusing) possibility. No more no less. ;)
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Wait, Ayn Rand is a woman?
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Not sure if serious but... yes. Yes she is.
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Ayn Rand used to make fun of "volunteers", for their utter stuppidity. She battled furiously against altruism, considered it to be one of the greatest evils in our society.
Admittedly, I'm not completely familiar with Ayn Rand for the reason I'm not familiar with the works of the other crackpots whose videos get posted on here but wasn't her objection to volunteers based on the idea of people acting for other people's needs and desires rather than their own?
Anyone volunteering for this would be doing it because they really want to see a sequel based on the book not because they want other people to see it. So if I've understood her issues with volunteering correctly, this shouldn't be against them, right?
Or is there something I've missed?
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Admittedly, I'm not completely familiar with Ayn Rand for the reason I'm not familiar with the works of the other crackpots whose videos get posted on here but wasn't her objection to volunteers based on the idea of people acting for other people's needs and desires rather than their own?
Anyone volunteering for this would be doing it because they really want to see a sequel based on the book not because they want other people to see it. So if I've understood her issues with volunteering correctly, this shouldn't be against them, right?
Or is there something I've missed?
Yep, you are overlooking a few things. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand) Ayn Rand was a historical figure - she is no longer even alive! She was born all the way back in 1905, and died in 1982, before the internet was even around.
Her philosophy of objectionism advocates, among other things, self-interest as being morally correct. Hence, the irony of the movie producers asking for volunteers!
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Yep, you are overlooking a few things. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand) Ayn Rand was a historical figure - she is no longer even alive! She was born all the way back in 1905, and died in 1982, before the internet was even around.
Where did I say she wasn't? I said I don't pay much attention to her for same reason as why I don't pay attention to the crackpots who post videos on YouTube. Life is too short.
Her philosophy of objectionism advocates, among other things, self-interest as being morally correct. Hence, the irony of the movie producers asking for volunteers!
I think you missed my point. As far as I understood, her issue with volunteers was that they were working because they felt they owed the rest of humanity something, or cause they felt guilty for having more than other people. Volunteering to help make a movie isn't something you do cause you want other people to be able to see the movie for the good of humanity. You do it because you want to see the movie.
From what little I understood of objectivism it isn't out of line with her beliefs for someone to persuade reasonable people to give up their time in return for getting something they want.
Now it's possible I've misunderstood something because, as I've said, I don't pay objectivism much attention.
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Where did I say she wasn't? I said I don't pay much attention to her for same reason as why I don't pay attention to the crackpots who post videos on YouTube. Life is too short.
In that case, can you tell me what you think a 'normal' person says, believes, and does?
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Well that's a loaded question if ever I saw one.
You first.
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Where did I say she wasn't? I said I don't pay much attention to her for same reason as why I don't pay attention to the crackpots who post videos on YouTube. Life is too short.
In that case, can you tell me what you think a 'normal' person says, believes, and does?
Where the hell is this line of questioning going and why don't your responses seem related to what Karaj is saying?
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Well that's a loaded question if ever I saw one.
You first.
Here is the midnorthern US at least, a 'normal' person is someone who works 8-14 hour shifts, has a spouse and 2 or 3 kids, is a supporter of either the Republican or Democratic party (it's normal to support either/or), doesn't particularly care about politics, and engages in activities such as watching American Football, watching TV all day, fishing (at least in this region of the country), and going out to eat at a restaurant. This, of course, might be different in another part of the US, or another part of the world.
However, it has been my experience that stereotype of what a 'normal' person is does not usually fit well with what people are really like. At the same time, there is this little paradox that whoever goes too much against what is considered 'normal' generally gets met with a surprising amount of hostility, regardless of how harmless their actions actually are.
Where the hell is this line of questioning going and why don't your responses seem related to what Karaj is saying?
I think I might of misunderstood Karaj's reasons for not caring about Ayn Rand, as her Objectionism philosophy would indeed be considered quite radical within my part of the country, and thus met with hostility from normal citizens and authority figures alike. Most of the people I know would just dismiss anything that goes against their established beliefs as automatically being false.
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Objectionism
I don't know what that would be, but it sounds hilarious :P
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Objectionism
I don't know what that would be, but it sounds hilarious :P
The worship of the fictional Terran lawyer Phoenix Wright.
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Ayn Rand used to make fun of "volunteers", for their utter stuppidity. She battled furiously against altruism, considered it to be one of the greatest evils in our society.
Admittedly, I'm not completely familiar with Ayn Rand for the reason I'm not familiar with the works of the other crackpots whose videos get posted on here but wasn't her objection to volunteers based on the idea of people acting for other people's needs and desires rather than their own?
Anyone volunteering for this would be doing it because they really want to see a sequel based on the book not because they want other people to see it. So if I've understood her issues with volunteering correctly, this shouldn't be against them, right?
Or is there something I've missed?
You're missing the part where volunteers are asked to work for free. I understand your objection, but that's irrelevant to the objectivists. They decided they would never "understand" things like volunteering for the sake of it (helping because you like to help, for instance, is irrational and evil).
You decided that life is too short to get all the crazies. I'd advise you to spend some time in objectivism, if for nothing else to understand America better. Atlas Shrugged was deemed the second most influential book in america in the 20th century just after the friggin babble.
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I think you missed my point. As far as I understood, her issue with volunteers was that they were working because they felt they owed the rest of humanity something, or cause they felt guilty for having more than other people. Volunteering to help make a movie isn't something you do cause you want other people to be able to see the movie for the good of humanity. You do it because you want to see yourself in the movie.
fixed that for you :p
but on a more serious note, is it really that hard for them to get statists or however its called?
[edit] read the bloody article first, pece, read the bloody article first... -.-