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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Luis Dias on February 20, 2013, 05:11:43 pm
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Liveblog from theverge here:
http://live.theverge.com/sony-playstation-4-event-live-blog/
Will it blend?
e: Haz a dualshock with a touchpad, and runs Unreal Engine 4 demo smoothly.
Dunno if it's the liveblogging, but the presentation feels a lot out of pace.
e2: OMG the rage this is gonna get:
Lastly, personalization. "Key design principle of the PS4 interface." System learns your likes and dislikes, shows you things you'll like. "Long-term vision is to reduce download times to zero... if we know enough about you we know what game you'll purchase next and download it in the background."
e3: "When your friends purchase a new game, you'll know immediately."
ahahah
Gaikai used as a preview mode before buying.
Ustream and Facebook, socialmedia is so fkin 2010 come on.
e4: Vita. SNORE.
e5: PS3's games not compatible. "Exploring techs" to make them "compatible" everywhere. Right.
e6: They talked to developers. Then listened to them.
This is why I love the Verge.
Sony's really pushing how dev-friendly the PS4 is. It's an interesting message
e7: I want to see those demos.
e8: OK, I'm impressed with the beyond-the-uncanney-valley demo there.
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Prices are gonna be phenomenal
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Prices are gonna be phenomenal
It'll work like magic.
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I would consider putting money on my current, 4-year-old computer (with new, $150 video card), beating the PS4 in terms of sheer power.
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(http://s14.directupload.net/images/130220/mtzwsq3u.jpg)
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Watching this on USTREAM right now
It's pretty crazy
Certainly liking the new engines they're introducing
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Yeah me too. The old guy was simply amazing.
http://www.ustream.tv/PlayStation
e: WATCHDOGS!!!
Man that was awesome.
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e5: PS3's games not compatible. "Exploring techs" to make them "compatible" everywhere. Right.
Well, then **** Sony.
Now if it's region-locked on top of that, I definitely won't be buying it.
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Certainly interesting to watch. I'm not really phased by it simply because I won't be considering a purchase of it until atleast 2 years into it's release.. if even that.
But from a marketing perspective. Very interesting...
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Blizzard now....
wait wat?
e: Diablo 3? Who dafuq cares about diablo 3?
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Blizzard now....
wait wat?
seriously wat
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lol
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Blizzard trolling everyone with the lamest demo ever in the PS4 show.
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Call of Duty 43 about to come up now.
****, it's Destiny!
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..... aaaaaand the PS4 hasn't any stats whatsoever.
Apart from the 8 gigabyte RAM.
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That was ****
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Kinda hoped to see some third party games to be shown, not much. It wasn't such a bad presentation compared to past E3's of the big three consoles, seems like a decent lineup for launch (if they're actually launch titles). At least the next generation consoles will open up much more room for developers to make good games and probably more and better ports for PC due to the PS4's hardware apparently being very close to consumer hardware.
We'll see how the console turns out of course, but being PC gamer first, I most of all look at it in the way of, how can the PC benefit from this.
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its an eight core x86-64 with 8gb ram.
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No ridge racer or giant enemy crabs. Worse presentation ever.
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I've still never spent any appreciable amount of time with a PS3, so I can't say I'm all that concerned about whatever the hell Sony is trying now.
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Flip the PS4 over using real time weapon switch and attack it's exhaust for massive damage.
Ahem. Honestly speaking, I just don't give a damn about consoles anymore. They have become a hassle with all the new DRM and what not. I'll stay with my PC. I already have to deal with it here, so console-'ing' has no use to me anymore.
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from what ive read of the specs this will be a typical pc with a more draconian than usual os
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Fineeeee, so it has 2 more gigs of ram, and 2 more DDRs too.
And twice the cores as my current PC. Don't know the clock speed though.
My big question: will this make prices of the PS3 go up or down? I needs to buy Shadow of the Colossus.
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i can't see how release of the ps4 could possibly make the ps3 price go up.
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Mass migrations back to PS3 after 4 falls flat on it's face?
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That. And if there's no backward compatibility, there may be a rush of people snatching PS3s before they stop production. Actually, maybe that won't happen... Are they still making new PS2s?
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from what ive read of the specs this will be a typical pc with a more draconian than usual os
It's not. It has unified GDDR5 memory which is a lot more memory bandwidth than the system memory of a PC with DDR3. It also has the CPU and the GPU soldered on the same chip.
Simply put, you can't just merely get a PC with similar specs on paper and expect it to run the same PS4 games with the same performance. At work, we don't even use OpenGL as the PS4's graphics API because it has too much overhead. We use something much more low level.
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I'm glad to see AMD getting some serious leverage somewhere. I hear Durango is going to be AMD-based as well.
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I'm glad to see AMD getting some serious leverage somewhere. I hear Durango is going to be AMD-based as well.
Shame the cell didn't go anywhere
Although, the change from the cell does explain the inability to go backwards game wise.
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Actually, maybe that won't happen... Are they still making new PS2s?
I did some research on them a few weeks ago (as I was considering purchasing one so I could get legitimate games rather than emulating) and learned that production of PS2s ended at the start of this year. I actually had no idea that they were still in production myself.
e2: OMG the rage this is gonna get:
Lastly, personalization. "Key design principle of the PS4 interface." System learns your likes and dislikes, shows you things you'll like. "Long-term vision is to reduce download times to zero... if we know enough about you we know what game you'll purchase next and download it in the background."
Well, that's nice for those of us who are given a data limit on their Internet. :rolleyes:
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Shame the cell didn't go anywhere
Although, the change from the cell does explain the inability to go backwards game wise.
Cell was a huge mistake. It was entirely predicated on the notion that third party developers would be reluctantly crawling to the PS3 as if they didn't have a choice. As if the Xbox 360 and it's ease of development didn't exist. Sony's decision to go x86-64 is basically Sony admitting that maybe we need to actually make a platform that developers would actually want to be on. I know a lot of developers that are very happy with what they got.
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Shame the cell didn't go anywhere
Although, the change from the cell does explain the inability to go backwards game wise.
Cell was a huge mistake. It was entirely predicated on the notion that third party developers would be reluctantly crawling to the PS3 as if they didn't have a choice. As if the Xbox 360 and it's ease of development didn't exist. Sony's decision to go x86-64 is basically Sony admitting that maybe we need to actually make a platform that developers would actually want to be on. I know a lot of developers that are very happy with what they got.
Indeed. It's also nice that Sony is man enough to say that they made a mistake, even if it wasn't directly said
Apparently though, they asked developers what they'd like to see from next generation
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from what ive read of the specs this will be a typical pc with a more draconian than usual os
It's not. It has unified GDDR5 memory which is a lot more memory bandwidth than the system memory of a PC with DDR3. It also has the CPU and the GPU soldered on the same chip.
i dont think its soldering as much as it is wire bonding. where hair thin gold wires are melted straight to the pads on the semi-conductors. aside from that minor nitpick, sticking the gpu on the same die is cpu is how intel's integrated graphics manages to have pretty good performance despite modest capabilities. data takes time to move and less distance means less time wasted in moving it.
Simply put, you can't just merely get a PC with similar specs on paper and expect it to run the same PS4 games with the same performance. At work, we don't even use OpenGL as the PS4's graphics API because it has too much overhead. We use something much more low level.
thats nice to know. console game development have always stayed as close to the bare metal as possible to squeeze every drop of performance out of the system. when combined with hardware that is actually faster than pc you might actually get better looking games on a console than you can get on a pc. unfortunately i tend to frown on the closedness of consoles and probibly wont get one.
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Cell was a huge mistake. It was entirely predicated on the notion that third party developers would be reluctantly crawling to the PS3 as if they didn't have a choice. As if the Xbox 360 and it's ease of development didn't exist. Sony's decision to go x86-64 is basically Sony admitting that maybe we need to actually make a platform that developers would actually want to be on. I know a lot of developers that are very happy with what they got.
When you look at Microsoft's failed way of doing business in Japan and the huge success the PS2 was, it sort of makes sense that Sony had that mindset at the time though.
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thats nice to know. console game development have always stayed as close to the bare metal as possible to squeeze every drop of performance out of the system. when combined with hardware that is actually faster than pc you might actually get better looking games on a console than you can get on a pc. unfortunately i tend to frown on the closedness of consoles and probibly wont get one.
Let's see how that 500$ console compares to a proper 1500-3000$ gaming PC before getting excited. ;)
Then ... 1-2 years later... let's see how appeals that same console is next to that same PC... that now costs less than half as before lol.
The whole point of consoles is low price mass market penetration. Whatever quality advantage they may attain, if they ever attain any at all, will always be short term and limited to the budget segment.
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PC gamer built a comparison PC for £430 at current tech levels. When the consol actually comes out what are the chances of this coming in under £300?
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/21/pc-gamer-vs-playstation-4-theres-only-ever-going-to-be-one-winner-right/ (http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/21/pc-gamer-vs-playstation-4-theres-only-ever-going-to-be-one-winner-right/)
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Let's see how that 500$ console compares to a proper 1500-3000$ gaming PC before getting excited. ;)
That's easy. The console will (on paper) be less powerful and less versatile, but be easier to set up and maintain, while at the same time being able to use the power it does have more efficiently.
Then ... 1-2 years later... let's see how appeals that same console is next to that same PC... that now costs less than half as before lol.
Is that true though? Does PC hardware still depreciate in value that fast? I know that that was true ten years ago, but it seems to me that things have slowed down quite a bit since then.
(Also, the Console will still be more straightforward to set up and maintain while the games available will make increasingly better use of the hardware, whereas the PC will still be underutilized in all but the most extreme setups).
The whole point of consoles is low price mass market penetration. Whatever quality advantage they may attain, if they ever attain any at all, will always be short term and limited to the budget segment.
I don't think that's quite right. PCs and Consoles occupy different pieces of the gaming pie; Owning a PC does not preclude you from owning a console. While you can make games of all genres for all platforms, some genres have historically been more successful on different machines; I don't see that changing in this generation.
Ultimately, I believe that the question of which system has the better hardware is irrelevant. Given enough time, the PC will always have the bigger numbers (of cores, of transistors, of frames per second, whatever), but the Consoles will still be able to be competitive because noone can be bothered to target the theoretical high-end PC market.
The question, for me, is not "Will this 500 Euro Console be able to keep up in the Hardware race with a PC that costs three times as much?", it's "Are there enough games coming out on that platform that I want to play but that aren't available on PC so that buying the Console is justified?".
PC gamer built a comparison PC for £430 at current tech levels. When the consol actually comes out what are the chances of this coming in under £300?
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/21/pc-gamer-vs-playstation-4-theres-only-ever-going-to-be-one-winner-right/ (http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/21/pc-gamer-vs-playstation-4-theres-only-ever-going-to-be-one-winner-right/)
Aaahahahahahahaha
Yeah, no.
Several things missing there.
1. No BluRay drive (I see his rationale for excluding this, and I would agree, were it not for the fact that the PS3 sold as well as it did partially because it was and still is one of the best BR players on the market!)
2. Getting a case and a PSU on 50$? Suuuuure. Because those are going to be quality pieces of tech.
3. No operating system.
I mean, the PC I am building is closer to the PS4 spec, and it costs ~600 Euros (and that is without the Bluray and OS!), with the extra costs being caused by using a better (i.e. more reliable) mainboard and PSU.
Also: Who cares if Uncharted 3: Drake’s Colonic or Wet Rain don’t appear on the PC, have Sony got Antimatter or PlanetSide 2?
I DO! Because Uncharted is pretty damn cool, and a kind of game you don't see very often on PC. I don't know if PlanetSide 2, good as it may be, is an adequate substitute.
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1.Blu-ray ain't that importiant when you can download Blu-ray quality for cheaper than buying disks and quicker than going to the shop.
2.Yes Sony build quality is really reliable... :)
3. Linux ;)
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1.Blu-ray ain't that importiant when you can download Blu-ray quality for cheaper than buying disks and quicker than going to the shop.
I see you live in a happy land where net connections are fast and unmetered, and where you can get the entire content (Film and bonus materials) that is on a typical BR delivered via the net. Good for you.
2.Yes Sony build quality is really reliable... :)
Yes, in my experience, PlayStations have been very reliable indeed. I had a launch PS2 that survived for 8 years of heavy use, and a slim PS2 that still works like a charm. At any rate, the build quality will be massively better than any case/PSU combo you can get for 50$.
3. Linux ;)
And this is the part where I have to tell you that you are taking an undefendable position. I am aware that the Linux gaming situation is about to change, but for the moment, Linux is only an option if you have no interest in big AAA titles like the ones we see on Windows or Consoles.
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Though I love Linux and PC power, I have to agree with The Great and Powerful E. Besides: consoles and console games are easier to give as gifts (e.g. birthday, Christmas), since they're so much easier to set up.
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I didn't watch the event, but the impression I get from recaps is that there wasn't anything particularly new revealed--it's just a more powerful version of the last consoles? I don't really see how they can hope to avoid being brushed aside by more generalist devices. Not that I think that it'll happen overnight or anything, but their niche is starting to look pretty narrow.
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I didn't watch the event, but the impression I get from recaps is that there wasn't anything particularly new revealed--it's just a more powerful version of the last consoles?
Not even that... if they are really more or less using PC parts.
The vibe I got from the whole thing is.... "we ll make a supersuperspecial uhm.... PC... and it will be supersuperspecial... because uhhh... we say so and..... uhhhm we'll put a sticker on it.. and uh ... maybe we can bribe some developers to give it some exclusive titles." :coughs: .... "oh and maybe we ll lock it down with a crippled proprietary OS to make it more :cough: appealing...."
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:words:
I think your bias is showing. Please wear your PC MASTER RACE tag at all times.
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I think your bias is showing. Please wear your PC MASTER RACE tag at all times.
Take a critical look at your last posts in this thread and tell me who is "more" biased.
I do own an X Box and an Android device and game on them as well.... but it would simply be untrue to pretend that consoles could ever win any kind of quality contest if the game in question is also available on PC.
The next generation will hardly change that any more than the last ones ever did ... unless Sony decides to introduce a ~2000$ console ;) lol.
Pointing out that a 3000$ gaming PC will always be more powerful than a ~ 500$ console is not bias... that s a simple fact.
... and the business practices employed by console makers do not really benefit the consumer all that much is also a fact.
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I can't wait to see what Naughty dog and SSM can do with PS4
Pointing out that a 3000$ gaming PC will always be more powerful than a ~ 500$ console is not bias... that s a simple fact.
Not everyone has money to buy a 3000$ and buying something like that for me sorry to say sounds quite idiotic but some people does have money to use as WC paper so yeah....
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I didn't watch the event, but the impression I get from recaps is that there wasn't anything particularly new revealed--it's just a more powerful version of the last consoles?
Not even that... if they are really more or less using PC parts.
The vibe I got from the whole thing is.... "we ll make a supersuperspecial uhm.... PC... and it will be supersuperspecial... because uhhh... we say so and..... uhhhm we'll put a sticker on it.. and uh ... maybe we can bribe some developers to give it some exclusive titles." :coughs: .... "oh and maybe we ll lock it down with a crippled proprietary OS to make it more :cough: appealing...."
You really didn't read anything I wrote.
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I can't wait to see what Naughty dog and SSM can do with PS4
Pointing out that a 3000$ gaming PC will always be more powerful than a ~ 500$ console is not bias... that s a simple fact.
Not everyone has money to buy a 3000$ and buying something like that for me sorry to say sounds quite idiotic but some people does have money to use as WC paper so yeah....
Which was my point: Consoles target the budget gamer while PCs with their different configurations target a much broader audience that includes anything from budget machines up to ultra powerful machines for enthusiasts that are willing to spend that money.
"Being cheap" does not count when you want to talk about which platform delivers the "best experience".
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Well, here's one piece of good news:
Sony declares that the PS4 will not block used games. (http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/21/4012138/playstation-4-wont-block-used-games-says-sony)
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I think your bias is showing. Please wear your PC MASTER RACE tag at all times.
Take a critical look at your last posts in this thread and tell me who is "more" biased.
I do own an X Box and an Android device and game on them as well.... but it would simply be untrue to pretend that consoles could ever win any kind of quality contest if the game in question is also available on PC.
The next generation will hardly change that any more than the last ones ever did ... unless Sony decides to introduce a ~2000$ console ;) lol.
Pointing out that a 3000$ gaming PC will always be more powerful than a ~ 500$ console is not bias... that s a simple fact.
... and the business practices employed by console makers do not really benefit the consumer all that much is also a fact.
Well, frankly it doesn't matter in the least whether consoles stack up to PC's in pure performance and price. What matters is how many people have these consoles and how many have PC's with hardware capable of running these same games if publisher is willing to create a PC port. In the end it's money what matters and money is what both developers and publishers want. And they will make games to platforms that they can rake sufficient profits from. When compared to consoles, PC is not getting same kind of attention or treatment from developers and publishers as consoles do. That's why most games these days are PC ports, originally designed for consoles.
What it boils down to is whether we have the games we are interested in available to our platform of choice. Currently the market is going through another shakedown as mobile devices have reached a point where phones can offer enough performance to run games people are satisfied with. Phones are eating away market share from both consoles and PC's. Consoles have a tough opponent there, despite the huge difference in their respective hardware capabilities. Meanwhile PC sales are shrinking, with people being content with mobile devices like laptops and tablets for their needs. Desktop computers are a dying breed and that is a fact.
In the end, PC hardware matters very little in grand scheme of things. Profit, margins and market share are the key words here. At the moment and even more so in the very near future these things are held by mobile devices, second by consoles and last by PC's. Hell, PC's are already last and the difference is only growing. Two years from now, if there aren't enough new games for plain old PC, what would I do with my $2000 PC?
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Even a console port looks a helluva lot better in high resolution with AA/AF Fury.
Also... you appear to have completely forgotten about indie game development and crowd funded projects.
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PS4 hardware has got the Carmack seal of approval: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/304607913853476864
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I probably should clarify my previous post: I very much doubt that high-end PC gaming poses any threat the consoles business (not significantly more than at any time in the past at any rate). The thing that could really erode Playstation's market share is people playing games on their tvs powered by their phones or whatever, with a TV remote that is a game controller. That or cheap steambox-type things, which is the only option that really appeals to me at the moment. Neither of those things seems to have really arrived yet, but the industry is evolving, and Sony seems to be playing very conservatively.
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Even a console port looks a helluva lot better in high resolution with AA/AF Fury.
I never questioned that. The question is, is that good enough reason for people to buy decent/good PC hardware? Seeing as how phones have become a noteworthy gaming platform and how well Wii sold, I'd say no. We're not talking about few hundred thousands of PC enthusiasts, but market that has numbers in the millions.
Also... you appear to have completely forgotten about indie game development and crowd funded projects.
Again the issue is whether people are interested in such games. And that's assuming they know they even exist in the first place, they aren't strong in the marketing department you know. Sure, people who like to stay on top of these things or have friends who do know about them. But when we're talking about the general masses who form vast majority of the market, it's another story entirely.
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I DO! Because Uncharted is pretty damn cool, and a kind of game you don't see very often on PC. I don't know if PlanetSide 2, good as it may be, is an adequate substitute.
We DID get Dust 514 so PlanetSide 2 or something along those lines is a possibility you can't ignore
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Even a console port looks a helluva lot better in high resolution with AA/AF Fury.
I never questioned that. The question is, is that good enough reason for people to buy decent/good PC hardware? Seeing as how phones have become a noteworthy gaming platform and how well Wii sold, I'd say no. We're not talking about few hundred thousands of PC enthusiasts, but market that has numbers in the millions.
Also... you appear to have completely forgotten about indie game development and crowd funded projects.
Again the issue is whether people are interested in such games. And that's assuming they know they even exist in the first place, they aren't strong in the marketing department you know. Sure, people who like to stay on top of these things or have friends who do know about them. But when we're talking about the general masses who form vast majority of the market, it's another story entirely.
Personally I am frigging glad that both crowd funding and indie development exists because yes.... those are the very business models that make niche products viable and profitable and it would be a huge loss to the gaming world if the only games made were those that cater to the mass market.
You also have to take into account that these business models are completely independent from retail distribution and that is exactly why they won t go away... the opposite... a product specifically tailored for a small target audience will always be viable even or rather especially when competing with a product made to appeal to the mass market.
Finally... with the PS4 using standard PC parts... - if anything - it will be much easier to port games to the PC and then, as always, they will look better and run smoother there.
Frankly... with very limited funds I would definitely see the appeal of a console... but with sufficient funds to buy a proper gaming PC I just don't see any reason whatsoever to play any given game on a console and endure inferior graphics ... unless the game in question is exclusive to that console and I really really want to play that game over anything else on my ever growing list of games I still want to play in my limited freetime. ;)
Granted... thanks to sufficient funds I also see no reason not to buy a console as well, in order to play the occasional exclusive game that I really do not want to pass up.
The fact that the only reason that those games are "exclusive" is purely sales/marketing driven however always annoys me.
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PC gamer built a comparison PC for £430 at current tech levels. When the consol actually comes out what are the chances of this coming in under £300?
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/21/pc-gamer-vs-playstation-4-theres-only-ever-going-to-be-one-winner-right/ (http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/21/pc-gamer-vs-playstation-4-theres-only-ever-going-to-be-one-winner-right/)
have Sony got Antimatter or PlanetSide 2?
Uhm... Yes actually. Last time I checked they did have a Planetside 2!
https://www.planetside2.com/ it's... right there on the site (top left)
And the SOE logo is also featured on the launcher and... and...
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Ima call bull on that. the market segment has expanded for video games immensely in the last 5 years and brought in many "casual" gamers, yes. But there have been some truly incredible games that catered to both "hard core" gamers and/or "casual". take skyrim for example, traditional rpg format. did very well, and brought in a lot of new gamers. mass effect 2 and 3 became more mainstream after the first game in an effort to be less "hard core" rpg, and the series is so much better off for it. some of the best games of the decade have come out this console cycle. infamous was another excellent god of war, killzone, MSG, rathcet and clank, resistance, demon/dark souls are all "traditional" games that have been spectacular. and then you have the likes of heavy rain, little big planet, uncharted which broke the traditional formula and in the case of the last two are iconic with the ps3.
In short, I am sorry that you don't like change, because we have seen some of the best years of video games to date yet, with the bar being set even higher for the coming years. I for one welcome the expansion of the market as it means there will be even more innovation and more people to play with.
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Yeah, I think the whole "hardcore/casual" thing has almost always been bull****, and even more so over the past few years. My whole thing with the PS3 is that there's never been any exclusive title that's made me perk up and say, "Man I need to play that." I mean I know several of the PS3 exclusives are good stuff, but they don't fit into that system-buying category for me. (The Last Guardian's about the only thing that might, but who knows what the hell will happen with that.) The same was largely true for both the original XBox and the 360. Nintendo's the only one of the three that has that sort of hold on me, because hell, you give me Mario and Zelda and Metroid, and I'm set. I know many people give them grief for largely sticking to those same tried-and-true franchises, but sales value aside, I think there's an inherent benefit in having a few properties that are near-universally known and beloved, and that have spanned over so many years. Sony doesn't really have anything that compares...I mean, when was the last Crash Bandicoot game people cared about? Sega did with Sonic, but we all know how that turned out, and Halo has become that for MS, but I can't think of anything truly iconic to associate with the PlayStation brand anymore.
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all the games i listed above apart from skyrim, mass effect 3,demon/dark souls are ps3 exclusive
but I agree lack of significant first party/ ps3 only exclusives hurt the ps3 the last generation
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CONSOLES ARE ONLY FOR FILTHY CASUALS
GLORIOUS PC GAMING MASTER RACE PRO GAMURRRR
(http://www.nukelol.com/images/forumimages/eggs.jpg)
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*raises hands in exasperation*
I'm not going to argue. I kinda grew up on handheld a bit more than console, so I don't have much of a valid say.
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CONSOLES ARE ONLY FOR FILTHY CASUALS
GLORIOUS PC GAMING MASTER RACE PRO GAMURRRR
(http://www.nukelol.com/images/forumimages/eggs.jpg)
Glorious having-every-system-at-his-disposal!
Though, technically the Wii is an emulator
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You know what? I like my N64. I don't care that it has grossly inferior specs, as compared to modern hardware. I don't care that it had somewhat inferior specs, as compared to many of its contemporary competitors. I don't care that the controller requires three hands to fully utilize, where its competitors and modern systems were designed by people with two hands, for people with two hands. When I was twelve, the N64 was the exclusive platform of the games that I wanted to play, and when I want to nostalgically replay some of those games, I'm quite happy to still have the original hardware available for that purpose.
I also like Windows 98 as a gaming platform. I don't care that it had a lot of problems with a lot of hardware, particularly in its early days. I don't care that it was already becoming bloated, as compared to many contemporary, competing operating systems. I don't care that it wasn't designed specifically for the purpose of gaming. When I was fifteen, the games I wanted to play were principally designed for PCs running Windows 98, and I'm kind of kicking myself for not keeping a legacy box from the era to properly run games that don't cooperate with newer versions of Windows, newer hardware, and/or newer drivers.
If you say that you like one gaming platform over another because of its spec sheet or what will ultimately prove to be minute differences in graphical fidelity, and it's not because your paycheck demands that you develop on these platforms, then you're a liar. You have become emotionally invested in the success or failure of one gaming platform or another, and you will desperately grab at whatever straw you can use as a rationalization for your fanboyism. It's quite obnoxious and a little disgusting.
I like my gaming PC. The games I want to play are typically released for the PC. If you feel that the PS4 library will be better targetted to your desires as a gamer, then get a PS4. If you feel that your game-related desires will be better fulfilled by the PC, during the next console generation, then stick with the PC. Whichever choice you make, though, try not to be a ****ing douchebag about it. :yes:
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If you say that you like one gaming platform over another because of its spec sheet or what will ultimately prove to be minute differences in graphical fidelity, and it's not because your paycheck demands that you develop on these platforms, then you're a liar. You have become emotionally invested in the success or failure of one gaming platform or another, and you will desperately grab at whatever straw you can use as a rationalization for your fanboyism. It's quite obnoxious and a little disgusting.
I like my gaming PC. The games I want to play are typically released for the PC. If you feel that the PS4 library will be better targetted to your desires as a gamer, then get a PS4. If you feel that your game-related desires will be better fulfilled by the PC, during the next console generation, then stick with the PC. Whichever choice you make, though, try not to be a ****ing douchebag about it. :yes:
Agree with this 100%. I'd been trying to form words to the effect of this in my head so I could post them, but you've said it better than I could.
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thats nice to know. console game development have always stayed as close to the bare metal as possible to squeeze every drop of performance out of the system. when combined with hardware that is actually faster than pc you might actually get better looking games on a console than you can get on a pc. unfortunately i tend to frown on the closedness of consoles and probibly wont get one.
Let's see how that 500$ console compares to a proper 1500-3000$ gaming PC before getting excited. ;)
Then ... 1-2 years later... let's see how appeals that same console is next to that same PC... that now costs less than half as before lol.
The whole point of consoles is low price mass market penetration. Whatever quality advantage they may attain, if they ever attain any at all, will always be short term and limited to the budget segment.
of course i dont expect it to last, and by the time it does come out i would have upgraded again anyway.
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Platform wars... nerd rage... your way of having fun is wrong, my way is the best... What a terrible thread. :)
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The point of consoles is that it offers a sub-priced overall "good" machine that is standartized and to which developers can optimize to the infinitesimal part on gameplay and graphics. No such environment really exists on the PC world, where devs must consider every hardware system quirk, every OS quirk, antivirus behavior and every single thing that may slow down or impair the gaming experience, and then develop more or less for the worst common denominator.
There has been an impressive progress on graphical achievements on consoles despite the stalled hardware specs. What it meant was that the software is still an extremely important part on what a given hardware can do or not. I think this importance hasn't decayed anything the last few years, and now that the devs are given a complete new hardware, a lot of improvement is still hidden behind a ton of work in the years to come from geniuses buried inside game engine development offices.
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For those who missed the 140 minute ****show, a proper summary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJDn0jRnUQ
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Call of Battlefield: Duty in Modern Honor Warfare Halos wave
HAAHAAAHAAHA
That's so awesome
Also, the abridged version is pretty hilarious too. Although, I wouldn't call it a ****show
I've never heard of Journey.
Well given you haven't really heard much of the indie scene, not surprising
Still, you're missing out on ridiculously fun and interesting games
I'm just not keen on one man army type games.
Alpha 1! Destroy the Sathanas with that wrench!
Okay so I may have exaggerated your point a little bit, but what game doesn't make the player a one man killing machine?
GRAW2 on One shot death difficulty comes to mind actually
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Modern Military Shooters in a nutshell (http://youtu.be/JOHyD49DaeA)
You cannot deny that the industry has changed for the worse when it comes to FPS.
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I'll just leave this here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU)
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you know for the longest time i had been uninterested in games. then came kerbal space program.
also i went back and played super mario world. i kept getting killed by koopas. modern games have made me soft.
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ah yes, games before the player was armed...
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you know for the longest time i had been uninterested in games. then came kerbal space program.
also i went back and played super mario world. i kept getting killed by koopas. modern games have made me soft.
The portal edition of Mario was ****ing awesome
Modern Military Shooters in a nutshell (http://youtu.be/JOHyD49DaeA)
You cannot deny that the industry has changed for the worse when it comes to FPS.
That video is hilarious and so very true
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Take a look at his full video review of the game. It's stunning that something in that shape was allowed to come to market...or at least I would say that if Colonial Marines hadn't just done the same.
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I'll reserve my judgment about the actual hardware, but watching the marketers crap out buzzword after buzzword without actually saying anything was a sight to behold. As far as the console...eh, I'd say zero ****s were given, but, since I'm here posting about it I'll have to revise that figure to about half of a ****. I've accepted the fact that I am no longer in the primary demographic for mainstream titles, and I doubt there'd be anything on the PS4 that would coax me into buying it. Especially if they try to shovel "social networking" BS in there. The younger generations can have their consoles (and then get off my lawn), and I'll just be happy with my PC and all the awesome indie games and mods...and the fact that it actually performs other functions.
The whole cost argument kinda makes me chuckle, though. A console will always be a console. We tried to have Linux on the PS3 and Sony said "lolnope, u mad bruhs?" It's kind of disingenuous to try and make a direct comparison between a device that only does one or two things, like play games and blu-ray movies, and a general-purpose PC. There's really not much overlap between the two, both in capabilities and in general attitude. I see consoles like I see Mac OS: they're for people who don't want to have to potentially screw around with a lot of stuff before it will do what they want it to do. And that is perfectly okay.
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im curious how they managed to make all that computing goodness work without being attached to massive arrays of fans.
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subspace heatsinks.
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Reverse engineered Shivan tech?
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The lack of a black box to rally around following the intriguing PS4 launch event on Wednesday had left some expectant console enthusiasts feeling a little jibbed, despite a raft of announcements regarding specs, launch titles, social features and a brand new DualShock 4 controller.
Following the backlash, Sony claimed it was going for the slow reveal in order to keep our interests piqued, but did not say exactly when the hardware would go on show.
http://www.t3.com/news/sony-confirms-ps4-console-reveal-coming-at-e3-or-sooner
I personally am looking forward to this years E3. Generally I don't care all that much since as of late it hasn't been all that interesting. With this new tech on the rise, I'm wondering just how much we'll get to see
Thoughts?
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I would LOL so hard if the XBox really tried to ship its silly^sillyness called "illumiroom". But I bet that's just the usual MS' vaporware...
Anyways, MS' response to this non-disclosure is to make its own non-disclosure event in April, AFAIK.