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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: SypheDMar on April 26, 2013, 05:20:22 pm
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23 minute space battle. Enjoy (and in HLP tradition, criticize)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HXz2oOlN0A
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Low quality shaders;
Crysis W. music;
Low quality SFX;
Cheap smoke fx;
Star Trek wins because **** it why not.
4/10, Would not watch again.
They get B+ for effort though.
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I much rather preferred the original version of the Star Wreck battle scene, although yeah it was B5 but still.
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Firing of the Vipers is inaccurate to canon. Raiders are closer to truth
Either way, I preferred the 2004 battles in regards to BSG. They should've gone that route
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Buncha Debbie-downers in here...
Sure some it's low quality compared to the quality of effects we are used to seeing with AAA games and Hollywood movies. But, this is impressive work for an individual or even a small team. The sheer amount of effort this required is mind-boggling. It's twenty minutes of choreographed animation and most of it doesn't completely suck. All of it was likely rendered, post-processed, rendered, cut and rendered again. Sure some of it's B-grade TV effects... and the camera work really bothers me... but it's watchable. Truly impressive.
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the visuals are pretty good, but the sound effects (lasers) are distractingly bad. i think the drunken camera is kinda interesting, but could be toned down a tad.
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the visuals are pretty good, but the sound effects (lasers) are distractingly bad. i think the drunken camera is kinda interesting, but could be toned down a tad.
The lasers sounds are actually pretty close to how they sounded in the 1978 show
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the visuals are pretty good, but the sound effects (lasers) are distractingly bad. i think the drunken camera is kinda interesting, but could be toned down a tad.
The lasers sounds are actually pretty close to how they sounded in the 1978 show
They're closer to Freelancer, seeing as how that's where they were taken from.
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regardless of their source, i still think they sound awful.
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Was kinda the point I was trying to make, FL had awful sound effects.
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the visuals are pretty good, but the sound effects (lasers) are distractingly bad. i think the drunken camera is kinda interesting, but could be toned down a tad.
The lasers sounds are actually pretty close to how they sounded in the 1978 show
They're closer to Freelancer, seeing as how that's where they were taken from.
That I was unaware of
As for them still sounding awful, they're true to the show so I can't fault them for having done that. Bad or not, this is based on it, so I expect them to stay true to it
That being said, only the Raiders had the right sound effects. Vipers, the Battlestar, and the Basestar had all the wrong laser sounds
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While technically impressive, cinematography is dramatically wanting. I think the person who made this got lost in the concept of making a spectacle, tried to turn it up to 11 and ended up with a 3. If they were paying attention to canon, this battle would not have lasted this long. Instead, the animator got inured with showing ships firing their beams over and over and over, which is not needed. Also the ST vessels make unnecessary and nonsensical maneuvers, adding even more to the pervasive sense of showing off rather than telling a story. And I'm not a fan of how they crossed the 2004 BSG exodus fleet with the 1980's Galactica.
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Yeah, the cinematography is just bad. Don't get me wrong, there are a few cool shots here and there, but the creators' desire to make every shot unique and dynamic just doesn't work in a piece this long. It is using the camera language of nuBSG without understanding the reasoning or intention behind that language.
And yeah, seeing all those ships fire their guns in ways that are completely nonsensical or even prohibited by canon (The pulse phasers on Defiant-class ships cannot fire off-bore, neither can the guns on Vipers) is just jarring.
Definitely marks for effort though. There is quite a bit of skill here, what is lacking is direction and restraint.
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I thought the off-axis fire from the Vipers and Raiders was more a side effect of the animator not understanding the concept of conservation of momentum.
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I thought the off-axis fire from the Vipers and Raiders was more a side effect of the animator not understanding the concept of conservation of momentum.
At least the ships move in a relatively believable way, I remember how much I cringed when Peggy and Galactica both had their ramming scenes in the series: that many million tons of metal should not move that fast.
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Bro do you even newtonian mechanics
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'Believable' not realistic, I'm saying that at least the big ships don't accelerate like F1 cars (except for the ST ships equipped with 'inertial dampening' and other techno-poo).
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1. Curvy Cylon lasers?
2. Weird glowy texturing on the cross-sectioned Galactica debris
3. Ent-D fires first??
3. Mermaid ST ship??? (USS Magellan?)
4. Defiant vectored pulse phasers????
5. Shield-less Cylon basestar withstanding so much firepower?????
6. Phasers continually firing for that long??????
7. "THANKS FOR WATHING"???????
On the flipside, definitely A for effort. I wasn't bothered at all by the camera angles and paths... they were all fairly smooth and fluid. The battles were definitely far too long - heck, the Borg cube went down faster than that - but the choreography was good.
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'Believable' not realistic, I'm saying that at least the big ships don't accelerate like F1 cars (except for the ST ships equipped with 'inertial dampening' and other techno-poo).
Obligatory question demanding the specs and blueprints that you have which determine just how fast they are supposed to accelerate in reality as opposed to the show
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am i the only one thinking of this as an animation and not supposed to be canonical simulation in the slightest?
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'Believable' not realistic, I'm saying that at least the big ships don't accelerate like F1 cars (except for the ST ships equipped with 'inertial dampening' and other techno-poo).
Obligatory question demanding the specs and blueprints that you have which determine just how fast they are supposed to accelerate in reality as opposed to the show
Well if you put it like that then it's down to opinion really, it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.
@Klaustrophobia - yes
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'Believable' not realistic, I'm saying that at least the big ships don't accelerate like F1 cars (except for the ST ships equipped with 'inertial dampening' and other techno-poo).
Obligatory question demanding the specs and blueprints that you have which determine just how fast they are supposed to accelerate in reality as opposed to the show
Well if you put it like that then it's down to opinion really, it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.
@Klaustrophobia - yes
They can go faster than light
Your issues against their ability to accelerate are odd to even have...
@Klaus: I watched it for its fidelity to the lore first, animation second
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It's just jarring is all. If you've ever seen the movie Serenity, there's a scene where one of the big ass reaver ships just plows right through the Alliance flagship, but it does it in a way that actually makes it look as if millions of tons of metals are accelerating at a velocity that looks about right. When Peggy did her suicide run I half expected her to plow right through the basestar instead of being halted because of the sheer speed. Galactica was worse, she accelerated from rest then slammed into the Colony at a speed that looked as if she'd been accelerating for far longer.
This is just my opinion and me being nitpickey; I really hated it when Zoic went, they knew how to get the visuals right.
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Well if you put it like that then it's down to opinion really, it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.
If something accelerates at 49 meters a second2, then anyone on board would experience 5 Gs whether the object in question was a mass of 1,000 kg, or 100,000,000,000 kg.
Acceleration is dependent on thrust given sufficient amounts of thrust any amount of mass could pull a surprising amount of acceleration.
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it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.
And the presence of simulated gravity did not? Or the use of FTL drives?
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Well if you put it like that then it's down to opinion really, it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.
If something accelerates at 49 meters a second2, then anyone on board would experience 5 Gs whether the object in question was a mass of 1,000 kg, or 100,000,000,000 kg.
Acceleration is dependent on thrust given sufficient amounts of thrust any amount of mass could pull a surprising amount of acceleration.
This I did not know. The thrust produced to get ships as large as battlestars to accelerate from rest as fast as they do in the show must be staggering.
And the presence of simulated gravity did not? Or the use of FTL drives?
Honestly, no. It was the visuals more than anything that bothered me.
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Honestly, no. It was the visuals more than anything that bothered me.
There was honestly nothing wrong with the visuals in that regard. A race capable of FTL, artificial gravity, and building ships that can traverse an entire solar system on sublights in a reasonable amount of time can certainly make a large battlestar accelerate fast. That's what those 8 (on the Pegasus) huge, sci fi tech engines in the back of the thing were for :) I guess it's due to your expectation that a large ship won't accelerate fast, but BSG always went somewhere between Newtonian mechanics and rule of cool and thankfully did away with that particular cliche. It looked fine in that regard.
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The whole issue with the nuBSG's Pegasus kamikaze attack is that we have no frame of reference for when she starts her terminal attack. The only thing in the background is the starfield, and if I remember the camera is not static, making it incredibly hard to find a frame of reference from which to measure the acceleration. The end result is that the 'sense' of acceleration is entirely left to the viewer, and may have been exaggerated by the camera movements.
Also BSG is a universe where humanity has managed to manipulate gravity. While not an 'inertial dampening system,' the Colonial Fleet has the capability to engineer a device that adjusts the internal gravity of the ship to counteract the external acceleration. We can assume this device exists because the Galactica performs many high-torque turns and everyone and everything inside is not thrown radially outward.
Also humans can withstand 9 Gs of acceleration before blacking out, and many more before actually dying.
EDIT: Just watched the entire sequence, to my eyes it appears that the Pegasus isn't accelerating all that fast, the motion relative to the camera appears nearly constant.