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Cooking, like a fair man.
When suddenly, a dark noise, which makes man's spine turn cold was heard.
Turned towards the light, and saw the great destroyer.
Murderer of joy and happiness both.
Like a coward I ran, to the armory t'was.
For there the greatest weapon (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDjWCZOOdSzdXeoTo_u8rKov7rV9T8tiIdSdSz7Nx1b8igSypt), mankind's true ally waited.
So return I did, and awaited it did.
From high upon a great throne of wood.
It looked down and menacingly stared, but no action was taken, for it though man to be of no threat.
But t'was the genius, the cleverness of man, for it was blind towards an idle man.
And so man struck, no longer afraid.
As it cried out to it's brethren, the kith of dumbledore, it was struck by the righteous mace.
Now perished and gone, man said to his self: Holy ****, my heart had almost stopped!
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thatcher died a month ago, dude
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In other words you swatted a fly?
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Pics or it didn't happen.
Just kidding, nobody cares.
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For those who don't get it: I slew a bumblebee queen and destroyed the body. God that stinger was huge.
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My "weapon" which is blue handled, not green:
(http://www.primrose.co.uk/product_thumb.php?img=images/sp0270spider2.jpg&w=269&h=400)
No killing. Except rare mistakes. And you can get a close look at the creatures too before you release them if you want.
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For those who don't get it: I slew a bumblebee queen and destroyed the body. God that stinger was huge.
I would have taken reasonable efforts to remove it from the household without killing it. They're not aggressive except in defense of their nests, and their populations are also somewhat endangered.
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Yeah, bumblebees are pretty much harmless. From your description, I though you fought a very large spider or a hornet. Those can spoil your entire day if you're not careful.
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its just a ****ing bug, squish it with your thumb*
*unless its a spider the size of a cat.
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its just a ****ing bug, squish it with your thumb*
Go on, try it with a hornet, I'll see you in hospital. Or a Black Widow. Then I'll see you at the morgue. Some bugs are not to be trifled with.
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ive killed a black widow with my thumb. i dont think i died either. i was really high at the time though.
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note to self, google first, reply later
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Black widows generally aren't fatal to healthy adults. Sure they'll hurt a bunch, but won't likely kill you in one bite. Same with almost any single hornet, wasp, bee: it'll hurt probably a lot, but you'll be fine after a few minutes/hours.
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but i would argue that's still not a good reason to kill it with your hand when you have other options that eliminate the risk of any pain within easy reach.
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its just a ****ing bug, squish it with your thumb*
Go on, try it with a hornet, I'll see you in hospital. Or a Black Widow. Then I'll see you at the morgue. Some bugs are not to be trifled with.
Opposed to popular belief, Black Widow spiders aren't actually all that capable of killing a healthy adult. They *can* kill, but generally you'll move away with extremely unpleasant stuff happening later
The male of the species is also considered less so
As for hornets, one hornet won't do you. A swarm would, but that'll only really happen if you invade their base of operations
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Brown Widows, on the other hand, will mess you up something fierce. They're also (becoming) more common and moving into more heavily populated areas, IIRC.
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Was it the Michael Bay version?
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I knew a person,
who lived at the same building,
as I did back then.
She slew, they say, black mamba
with cast iron frying pan.
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Brown Widows, on the other hand, will mess you up something fierce. They're also (becoming) more common and moving into more heavily populated areas, IIRC.
"The main thing Homo sapiens will want to know about Latrodectus geometricus? Although it’s venomous, its bite isn’t as dangerous as that of the black widow."
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/02/science/la-sci-sn-brown-widow-spider-california-20120702
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Oh, you foreigners and your deadly dangerous spiders... so cute. :p
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There was a wasp in the house today! :shaking: :shaking: :shaking:
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There was a wasp in the house today! :shaking: :shaking: :shaking:
Bees, I will try to leave alone / relocate. Same for spiders.
But wasps... they die, evil little buggers. I was stung by one when I was a young'un and that has left a hate of the things that will never leave me. They look evil and they attack wooden structures.
When inside I usually give them a squirt with this stuff (http://www.rapidonline.com/Mechanical-Fastenings-Fixings/Isopropyl-IPA-cleaning-solvent-61590). Unlike regular flyspray it doesn't linger nearly as long so you need a good aim but it doesn't stink nearly as much and the fumes are probably a notch or two below flyspray on the 'don't inhale' scale.
I hate wasps but I have a little mercy towards them, Isopropyl alcohol seems to kill the little sods a lot faster than flyspray does. :drevil:
As an added bonus you can use the stuff for cleaning things :D
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Oh, you foreigners and your deadly dangerous spiders... so cute. :p
Aussie right?
I don't envy you guys. I bet your problems can never be solved with a thumb and beer. :P
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There was a wasp in the house today! :shaking: :shaking: :shaking:
Bees, I will try to leave alone / relocate. Same for spiders.
But wasps... they die, evil little buggers. I was stung by one when I was a young'un and that has left a hate of the things that will never leave me. They look evil and they attack wooden structures.
When inside I usually give them a squirt with this stuff (http://www.rapidonline.com/Mechanical-Fastenings-Fixings/Isopropyl-IPA-cleaning-solvent-61590). Unlike regular flyspray it doesn't linger nearly as long so you need a good aim but it doesn't stink nearly as much and the fumes are probably a notch or two below flyspray on the 'don't inhale' scale.
I hate wasps but I have a little mercy towards them, Isopropyl alcohol seems to kill the little sods a lot faster than flyspray does. :drevil:
As an added bonus you can use the stuff for cleaning things :D
So one wasp stings you so you kill every wasp.
If one dog bites you, will you kill every dog?
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Wasps in general are trouble. They once nested in my garden. When we blew them up with carbide, they moved into the wooden wall of the house. It took a construction team and a very strong bug spray to get rid of them. They're a pest, really, killing bees, chewing through the woodwork and stinging people.
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i come from a part of the world where almost nothing is poisonous. around here things just eat you. everything from grizzly bears to bloodsucking helicopters.
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Wasps in general are trouble. They once nested in my garden. When we blew them up with carbide, they moved into the wooden wall of the house. It took a construction team and a very strong bug spray to get rid of them. They're a pest, really, killing bees, chewing through the woodwork and stinging people.
They still pollinate plants though. And they kill other pest insects. They are pest controllers. Wiping them out I'm sure would be more detrimental than having them stay. If they nest on your doorstep though, I'm not going to tell you to leave them alone.
EDIT:
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/bugs/wasp/
"Despite the fear they sometimes evoke, wasps are extremely beneficial to humans. Nearly every pest insect on Earth is preyed upon by a wasp species, either for food or as a host for its parasitic larvae. Wasps are so adept at controlling pest populations that the agriculture industry now regularly deploys them to protect crops."
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Oh, you foreigners and your deadly dangerous spiders... so cute. :p
Black Wolf wins.
It seems that virtually every interesting creature I read about native to Australia is poisonous. Like Nuke, I live in a part of the world where (in my case) very few things are poisonous, but a lot of said things will eat you. Or kick/trample/gore you to death.
That said, I can see moose coming at me. Some of the deadliest spiders in the world that hide in footwear give me the heebie jeebies.
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Wasps in general are trouble. They once nested in my garden. When we blew them up with carbide, they moved into the wooden wall of the house. It took a construction team and a very strong bug spray to get rid of them. They're a pest, really, killing bees, chewing through the woodwork and stinging people.
They still pollinate plants though. And they kill other pest insects. They are pest controllers. Wiping them out I'm sure would be more detrimental than having them stay. If they nest on your doorstep though, I'm not going to tell you to leave them alone.
EDIT:
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/bugs/wasp/
"Despite the fear they sometimes evoke, wasps are extremely beneficial to humans. Nearly every pest insect on Earth is preyed upon by a wasp species, either for food or as a host for its parasitic larvae. Wasps are so adept at controlling pest populations that the agriculture industry now regularly deploys them to protect crops."
Depends on the species of wasp. The lesser-aggressive species are beneficial, if a nuisance. Some of the more aggressive species are damaging to threatened insects and pose a danger to humans.
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They make good neighbours.
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They make good neighbours.
Wasps? To us?
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I was stung by one when I was a young'un and that has left a hate of the things that will never leave me.
So one wasp stings you so you kill every wasp.
If one dog bites you, will you kill every dog?
I was Six at the time. The event has left me in the situation that I either have to leave the room or remove the wasp and I don't care how I do it cause if I don't I won't be able to do anything else as I won't be able to break eye contact with the bloody thing. Its become a psychological thing with me.
As for the dogs, bad example. The average (sub)urban wasp looks pretty much like the next one in my experience. On the other hand there are so many different types of dog that it is perfectly reasonable to be scared witless of rottweilers while adoring westies.
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I was stung by one when I was a young'un and that has left a hate of the things that will never leave me.
So one wasp stings you so you kill every wasp.
If one dog bites you, will you kill every dog?
I was Six at the time. The event has left me in the situation that I either have to leave the room or remove the wasp and I don't care how I do it cause if I don't I won't be able to do anything else as I won't be able to break eye contact with the bloody thing. Its become a psychological thing with me.
As for the dogs, bad example. The average (sub)urban wasp looks pretty much like the next one in my experience. On the other hand there are so many different types of dog that it is perfectly reasonable to be scared witless of rottweilers while adoring westies.
Well, I guess that's not so bad. Have you tried capturing one before? It might help you. Catch the next wasp in something you can see inside. Once it has been rendered harmless see how you feel.
I have bug phobia, and the catcher has really helped me over the years. The fear is but a mere fraction of what it used to be today, it used to be something similar to what you described with all bugs to varying degrees depending on the type. Now in some cases I can behave as normal even with certain bugs in the same room. It's funny how much smaller bugs seem once they've been caught! I bet if you capture a wasp, it will seem as if it has shrunk in size very much :)
I've captured wasps with the catcher, but have never been stung. I wonder how I'd feel if I did get stung. I don't want to find out. I hope one day the fear will be gone entirely. I'm actually quite confident now when I go about catching something, when initially, all the creature had to do was move to make me jump, now, I can get close to them and wait calmly for the right moment to catch them.
Face your fear, or it will own you.
Yes, that's good reasoning about the dogs. I need to pick something else if there's a next time, and it's quite tricky to think of something appropriate.
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Wasps deserve no mercy. You kindness will bring doom upon us all, fool!
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Wasps deserve no mercy. You kindness will bring doom upon us all, fool!
Just trying to be funny, Karajorma? Or do you hate the wasps? Did they sting ya? :)
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They all assumed I spoke in jest.....
...until they too were carted away to work in the honey mines.
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They all assumed I spoke in jest.....
...until they too were carted away to work in the honey mines.
Oh well, look on the bright side, it's better than being used as a vessel for their eggs.
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They will take us and they'll make us
Human slaves
In an Insect Nation.
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Well, after all the wasps have done for us, and you people go around demonising them and blowing apart their homes and murdering them in their millions, what did you expect, that they'd just carry on just taking it? You'll only have yourself to blame when you're a wasp-slave, or when they're stinging you to death and laying their eggs in your remains.
Just be nice to the wasps like me. They've never given me any trouble at all. Live and let live :)
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There was another wasp in the house this morning. Not in the mood to go running up stairs to get the fly swatter, and it being near the door, I opened it and it just went merrily on it's way. Haven't seen it since and I avoided killing it.
(http://yeahdef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fgm.png)
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You fool! Now it knows where you live and was allowed to report back!
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(http://yeahdef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fgm.png)
Yes, it does. It feels nice when I let them out of my catcher.
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It feels better when I cut the wasp up with a kitchen knife after removing the wings and stinger
I pluck its legs, one by one
Then section by section
Still it squirmed after there was only so much left of it
I laughed at the attempts of it trying to cling to life
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And deathfun earns his name...
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i think i grew out of that kinda thing when i turned 30.
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It feels better when I cut the wasp up with a kitchen knife after removing the wings and stinger
I pluck its legs, one by one
Then section by section
Still it squirmed after there was only so much left of it
I laughed at the attempts of it trying to cling to life
You are evil.
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I heard cockroaches are after our nukes and will take over the world!
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I heard cockroaches are after our nukes and will take over the world!
No, that's anti-cockroach propaganda. They like the setup the way it is, feeding off our waste, growing fat on an easy food source, all that would be gone if they nuked us.
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It feels better when I cut the wasp up with a kitchen knife after removing the wings and stinger
I pluck its legs, one by one
Then section by section
Still it squirmed after there was only so much left of it
I laughed at the attempts of it trying to cling to life
You are evil.
Didn't all of us do that sort of stuff as kids? I mean I used to vaporize ants with the concentrated power of sunlight.
They ran, oh yes they tried
but once the deathly white beam from the sky fell upon them
there was no escape
I could almost hear them scream
as their exoskeletons turned to smoke
squirming uselessly while their innards boiled
finally ending their miserable lives
with a little pop
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It feels better when I cut the wasp up with a kitchen knife after removing the wings and stinger
I pluck its legs, one by one
Then section by section
Still it squirmed after there was only so much left of it
I laughed at the attempts of it trying to cling to life
You are evil.
Didn't all of us do that sort of stuff as kids? I mean I used to vaporize ants with the concentrated power of sunlight.
They ran, oh yes they tried
but once the deathly white beam from the sky fell upon them
there was no escape
I could almost hear them scream
as their exoskeletons turned to smoke
squirming uselessly while their innards boiled
finally ending their miserable lives
with a little pop
As kids. You don't really understand what you're doing as a kid. It's well known kids can be cruel. Most of them will stop later.
I could never get the magnifying glass thing to work. I wasn't trying to burn bugs, but I wanted a beam and I never got one... :(
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I never did anything like it, but I can tell you a little story. I was three years old I think. I had a friend. And there was an old dog kennel in the back garden. It had a mat-thing on top of it, and underneath this mat we discovered many, many woodlice. My friend delighted in ripping them in half. Every time he came over, he would lift the mat-thing and wipe them out one by one. Eventually as the days passed, he had wiped them out completely. He tried to encourage me to join in but I wouldn't. My phobia wasn't stopping me, it wasn't around from birth, in my very first few years of life I would pick up bugs in my hands and remove them from the house. I knew there was something wrong with it, But my puny three year old brain couldn't grasp it properly. I knew my friend was happy. Why should I spoil his fun? He was my friend. I couldn't find a way to put into words why he should stop doing it, though I tried. So I would just quietly watch as he killed them one by one and felt most uncomfortable about the whole thing.
He wasn't my friend for long.
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Yeah, your friend was weird.
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Yeah, your friend was weird.
He may well have enjoyed killing those woodlice more than anything else we did as friends. He wanted to get out into that back garden immediately when he was over. It was the first thing he did. I still remember the slow, methodical way he killed them one by one, he didn't say a word. I still remember what woodlice being torn in half look like.
I don't remember much of him besides that, but I just remember something vague about me deciding he was "bad" and "nasty" and not wanting to be friends with him anymore some time later. I didn't see him again after primary school. If he was even at primary school at all, I'm not sure if he was even there.
So, are you weird too for killing ants? If not, what's the difference? :cool:
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Sure I'm weird, but not because I killed ants.
He may well have enjoyed killing those woodlice more than anything else we did as friends. He wanted to get out into that back garden immediately when he was over. It was the first thing he did. I still remember the slow, methodical way he killed them one by one, he didn't say a word.
That's weird.
Murdering bugs is something you do for amusement when you're a solitary kid with nothing better to do, or if you're an adult and the bug in question is super legit I'MMA **** YOU UP badass, e.g. there's nest full of aggressive wasps on the roof. I could totally get down with "LETS BURN ALL THE WASPS" as a friendship activity, but what your friend was doing was just bizarre.
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woe unto the crawly things that happen upon my lair and lay infestation upon it. for the wrath of my mad extermination skillz will fall upon thee.
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I would have got along quite nicely with that friend
Didn't all of us do that sort of stuff as kids?
Um...
...*shifts eyes*
I do those things now
Oh man, but the woodlice ripping brought me back to those furry cankerworms that came in droves during the Fall. Literally, they would cover top to bottom the two small trees in the field next to my house
And I would bash the hell out of them with a stick. Guts would fly everywhere, and I would enjoy it all
Then there was my AC unit with the fan. Oh boy, when you lower them down on their own string, they don't know what's going to hit them. But they'll know soon enough as their body WHIPS around in such GORY fashion
Garden sheers? Super effective! Had to wipe them off afterwards though, nobody likes gooey insect gut covered garden sheers.
Magnifying glass to them was also pretty fun. They can really move when they want to, I mean really move. Course there was also my foot. Ever seen guts spew out from a cankerworms eyes? It's pretty nifty. Literally, mustard, relish and ketchup spew out from his eyes (his guts actually look like condiments).
Ah... good times
But why keep all the fun to myself? I gave the cankerworms to ants and watched them EAT HIM
Shortly afterwards I deemed them unfit and burned them all
I had so many nests in my front yard, and a really crazy one in the field (each ant was both red, black, and pretty big in comparison).
EDIT: Sidenote, I was completely aware of what I was doing. The "kid who doesn't know better" argument doesn't apply to me...
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I would have got along quite nicely with that friend
Didn't all of us do that sort of stuff as kids?
Um...
...*shifts eyes*
I do those things now
Oh man, but the woodlice ripping brought me back to those furry cankerworms that came in droves during the Fall. Literally, they would cover top to bottom the two small trees in the field next to my house
And I would bash the hell out of them with a stick. Guts would fly everywhere, and I would enjoy it all
Then there was my AC unit with the fan. Oh boy, when you lower them down on their own string, they don't know what's going to hit them. But they'll know soon enough as their body WHIPS around in such GORY fashion
Garden sheers? Super effective! Had to wipe them off afterwards though, nobody likes gooey insect gut covered garden sheers.
Magnifying glass to them was also pretty fun. They can really move when they want to, I mean really move. Course there was also my foot. Ever seen guts spew out from a cankerworms eyes? It's pretty nifty. Literally, mustard, relish and ketchup spew out from his eyes (his guts actually look like condiments).
Ah... good times
But why keep all the fun to myself? I gave the cankerworms to ants and watched them EAT HIM
Shortly afterwards I deemed them unfit and burned them all
I had so many nests in my front yard, and a really crazy one in the field (each ant was both red, black, and pretty big in comparison).
EDIT: Sidenote, I was completely aware of what I was doing. The "kid who doesn't know better" argument doesn't apply to me...
At least you're honest, I'll give you that. People are so eager to make allowances for you. It would be so easy for you to take them.
Planning on moving up to people, evil one?
I don't condemn you for enjoying killing and maiming. If you're wired up that way, you didn't choose that. I do condemn you for indulging in it. There's enough sick video out there for you to get your fix without doing any harm yourself. Is there any chance of you stopping?
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Get the monocide anima, someone here has too much fun with death... :nervous:
I kill insects and all, but I don't derive any true pleasure from it, insects just make me loose my nerve. If I see one it just clicks a panic button in me.
Which may or may not have to do with that one time an ant "kissed" me when I woke up at grandma's house many years ago. My lips hurt for the whole day.
Also, Lorric, chill. Your post sounds a bit passive-aggressive...
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Get the monocide anima, someone here has too much fun with death... :nervous:
I kill insects and all, but I don't derive any true pleasure from it, insects just make me loose my nerve. If I see one it just clicks a panic button in me.
Which may or may not have to do with that one time an ant "kissed" me when I woke up at grandma's house many years ago. My lips hurt for the whole day.
Also, Lorric, chill. Your post sounds a bit passive-aggressive...
It isn't.
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Guess I shouldn't mention the beetle I taped to a target and shot with an air rifle
Oh wait
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Guess I shouldn't mention the beetle I taped to a target and shot with an air rifle
Oh wait
After you move up to humans, or creatures enough people care about to try to put a stop to it, if you haven't already, I hope they catch you. I think you will/already are doing. You enjoy it too much I think. You're just bursting to talk about it. I can tell by the way you write about it.
But since you're here, let's chat, shall we? As much as you are everything I abhor, there is a certain fascination in talking to my complete opposite.
So how does it feel? Compared to other things, how does it feel? Where on the enjoyment scale does your murdering lie? When did you first start to enjoy it? Has the enjoyment lessened or increased as you age?
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I sometimes enjoy tossing random bugs into a spider's web and watching the spider do its thing.
Naughty little fly...
Why does he cry?
Caught in a web.
Soon you'll be...
EATEN. :U
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Ants are free entertainment (Dan Cummins) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Aj9hTaBDdo)
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So how does it feel? Compared to other things, how does it feel? Where on the enjoyment scale does your murdering lie? When did you first start to enjoy it? Has the enjoyment lessened or increased as you age?
It's a source of amusement. It feels like everything else that is a source of amusement. There's no scale, only absolutes.
That being it amuses me, or it doesn't. My typing may seem like I enjoy some things more than others, but it really isn't the case. There is simply more to describe about insects than my latest non-adventures on some game I've been playing
It started when boredom struck and I only had myself to provide amusement. I just did it more before since I actually went outside. These days I don't leave my computer
Though when termites start flying around (and there is hundreds of them mucking about) I take two shoes and clap them. What is left is just a couple wings fluttering downwards
It's quite hilarious actually. Hell, even my parents got a kick out of it
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So how does it feel? Compared to other things, how does it feel? Where on the enjoyment scale does your murdering lie? When did you first start to enjoy it? Has the enjoyment lessened or increased as you age?
It's a source of amusement. It feels like everything else that is a source of amusement. There's no scale, only absolutes.
That being it amuses me, or it doesn't. My typing may seem like I enjoy some things more than others, but it really isn't the case. There is simply more to describe about insects than my latest non-adventures on some game I've been playing
It started when boredom struck and I only had myself to provide amusement. I just did it more before since I actually went outside. These days I don't leave my computer
Though when termites start flying around (and there is hundreds of them mucking about) I take two shoes and clap them. What is left is just a couple wings fluttering downwards
It's quite hilarious actually. Hell, even my parents got a kick out of it
So you are either amused equally by all things or not amused at all?
Well, if you only did it out of boredom and you're not going out of your way to kill stuff anymore, maybe you won't go on to "bigger" things.
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You make it sound like people who kill insects are inherently serial killers in the making
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You make it sound like people who kill insects are inherently serial killers in the making
They can be, those that enjoy it. You can trace the start of it back to insects or other creatures in some cases. I know I am in the minority in caring about their tiny lives, but most people will have no emotional attachment in killing insects, they're just in the way or annoying and removed with all the emotion of taking out garbage.
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Mosquitoes will never have my sympathies
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most people will have no emotional attachment in killing insects\
Hmm, not sure if I agree. Getting enjoyment out of killing things -- and I should specify here that I mean creatures that are abundant, 'not intelligent', or undesirable such that people generally don't feel horrible about killing them -- strikes me as something that is pretty common. Probably because it causes a sense of superiority over nature ("I'm bigger and smarter and more powerful than thou, I am top of evolutionary chain, look how easily I smash thee, wrar").
This should not at all be construed as as an argument about its ethics, however. Like you, Lorric, I do not like to kill things if its utterly unnecessary, or in ways that are prolonged and painful.
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Mosquitoes will never have my sympathies
Given that kilo for kilo the body count might be of the same order of magnitude, I don't see any reason not to kill any mosquito dumb enough to try to take a bite out of me.
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Mosquitoes will never have my sympathies
Does anything?
most people will have no emotional attachment in killing insects\
Hmm, not sure if I agree. Getting enjoyment out of killing things -- and I should specify here that I mean creatures that are abundant, 'not intelligent', or undesirable such that people generally don't feel horrible about killing them -- strikes me as something that is pretty common. Probably because it causes a sense of superiority over nature ("I'm bigger and smarter and more powerful than thou, I am top of evolutionary chain, look how easily I smash thee, wrar").
This should not at all be construed as as an argument about its ethics, however. Like you, Lorric, I do not like to kill things if its utterly unnecessary, or in ways that are prolonged and painful.
I don't know about that in. In nature, it is most uncommon. Killing is done for a good reason in the vast majority of cases. Even when something is toyed with it is generally then killed and eaten.
You could make the same argument for people. I live in a large town. I could kill someone every week and not even touch the population of the town. I could kill 50 people every day and not touch the country population. The deaths would be a tiny fraction compared to other causes of death like heart failure and cancer.
Mosquitoes will never have my sympathies
Given that kilo for kilo the body count might be of the same order of magnitude, I don't see any reason not to kill any mosquito dumb enough to try to take a bite out of me.
While I don't encounter mosquitoes in England, I imagine I would slap at a mosquito if it tried to feed on me.
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Back in the good times spent in a looney bin in the middle of a forest, hornets would get into our rooms through holes in mosquito nets at night. We, as men, always called for some girl to kill them :lol: So pathetic..
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Does anything?
Nothing deserves it
So yes, your question is well put
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You could make the same argument for people. I live in a large town. I could kill someone every week and not even touch the population of the town.
Sure, if you are okay with killing fellow humans, are so confident in your ability to kill them easily as to be akin to squishing bugs, and if you also don't care about the consequences of getting caught. Otherwise it is not at all the same argument.
I don't know about that in. In nature, it is most uncommon. Killing is done for a good reason in the vast majority of cases. Even when something is toyed with it is generally then killed and eaten.
It is present though uncommon in nature, sure. But I'm speaking about humans, who behave rather differently than animals despite also being animals. What inspired you to try burning ants with a magnifying glass as a kid? I hypothesize that it's not fundamentally different than what motivates deathfun to do what he does today. I hypothesize the difference is that some develop a view of ethical treatment of bugs, while others don't.
(Offense not intended to deathfun; I'm not saying he's acting like a kid.)
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Does anything?
Nothing deserves it
So yes, your question is well put
Are you capable of it?
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You could make the same argument for people. I live in a large town. I could kill someone every week and not even touch the population of the town.
Sure, if you are okay with killing fellow humans, are so confident in your ability to kill them easily as to be akin to squishing bugs, and if you also don't care about the consequences of getting caught. Otherwise it is not at all the same argument.
I don't know about that in. In nature, it is most uncommon. Killing is done for a good reason in the vast majority of cases. Even when something is toyed with it is generally then killed and eaten.
It is present though uncommon in nature, sure. But I'm speaking about humans, who behave rather differently than animals despite also being animals. What inspired you to try burning ants with a magnifying glass as a kid? I hypothesize that it's not fundamentally different than what motivates deathfun to do what he does today. I hypothesize the difference is that some develop a view of ethical treatment of bugs, while others don't.
(Offense not intended to deathfun; I'm not saying he's acting like a kid.)
Yes, that's what I meant. If you had the power to do it.
? You're the one who burned the ants. Why are you asking me?
Deathfun is probably a sociopath going by his latest comment.
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Oh, I misread your earlier quote, my bad.
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(Offense not intended to deathfun; I'm not saying he's acting like a kid.)
Pssh
Course I'm a kid
A kid at heart
Gotta cling on to the important stuff myte
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its almost fishing season. i usually have a ritualized torture-murder session that comes after landing a fish, it involves a slow disembowelment with care taken to make sure the fish survives every cut and slice, and then remove the organs in order of increasing necessity. and finally i take off the head in a slow sawing motion. then i take their corpses home and fry them in a lemon butter sauce. i kinda want to apply those techniques to hunting, but i always end up hitting something critical and the buck dies before i can make it long for death.
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its almost fishing season. i usually have a ritualized torture-murder session that comes after landing a fish, it involves a slow disembowelment with care taken to make sure the fish survives every cut and slice, and then remove the organs in order of increasing necessity. and finally i take off the head in a slow sawing motion. then i take their corpses home and fry them in a lemon butter sauce. i kinda want to apply those techniques to hunting, but i always end up hitting something critical and the buck dies before i can make it long for death.
I call bull****.
It's a fish, it'll die pretty soon from suffocation after it has been landed anyway.
And if you make things you want to eat die in that manner, it will drastically reduce the quality of the meat.
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I think people are just trying to get you to flip your ****, Lorric. :P
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Mosquitoes will never have my sympathies
Given that kilo for kilo the body count might be of the same order of magnitude, I don't see any reason not to kill any mosquito dumb enough to try to take a bite out of me.
...and every one of their little bastard friends within swatting range.
Mosquitos are a blight. I read a scientific blog a while back that made a serious argument for eradicating them, seeing as they are not a primary and irreplaceable food source for anything.
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Deathfun is probably a sociopath going by his latest comment.
Don't start that nonsense again.
Are you capable of it?
Just so we're clear, every human being is both able and capable of killing another given the correct set of circumstances. Anyone who claims otherwise either doesn't know themselves as well as they think they do or has a limited capacity for imagination.
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Mosquitoes will never have my sympathies
Given that kilo for kilo the body count might be of the same order of magnitude, I don't see any reason not to kill any mosquito dumb enough to try to take a bite out of me.
...and every one of their little bastard friends within swatting range.
Mosquitos are a blight. I read a scientific blog a while back that made a serious argument for eradicating them, seeing as they are not a primary and irreplaceable food source for anything.
I always liked this quote:
It's not so much how busy you are, but why you are busy. The bee is praised; the mosquito is swatted.
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Mosquitoes will never have my sympathies
Given that kilo for kilo the body count might be of the same order of magnitude, I don't see any reason not to kill any mosquito dumb enough to try to take a bite out of me.
...and every one of their little bastard friends within swatting range.
Mosquitos are a blight. I read a scientific blog a while back that made a serious argument for eradicating them, seeing as they are not a primary and irreplaceable food source for anything.
The adults maybe, but the larvae are pretty critical in most freshwater ecosystems. Mozzies have been around hundreds of millions of years after all, and they're right down the bottom of most food chains - I'd take a lot of convincing that the world's ecosystems have been essentially ignoring them as a food source for all that time.
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You know Black Wolf, I never thought of that... with their larvae being important to the freshwater ecosystems
Then again, all I've ever known were the mosquito larvae growing in my backyard and whatever bloody pool of water they could find
They weren't exactly brimming with ecosystems given the fact they were created the night before, and stuck around long enough for those blood sucking bastards to breed from it
That and the city didn't seem too concerned when they brought out the fogging trucks
Which was awesome, not going to lie. It was a fog of pure death to mosquitoes ...though at this point they've probably developed tolerances amongst the survivors
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its almost fishing season. i usually have a ritualized torture-murder session that comes after landing a fish, it involves a slow disembowelment with care taken to make sure the fish survives every cut and slice, and then remove the organs in order of increasing necessity. and finally i take off the head in a slow sawing motion. then i take their corpses home and fry them in a lemon butter sauce. i kinda want to apply those techniques to hunting, but i always end up hitting something critical and the buck dies before i can make it long for death.
I call bull****.
It's a fish, it'll die pretty soon from suffocation after it has been landed anyway.
And if you make things you want to eat die in that manner, it will drastically reduce the quality of the meat.
fish seem to be capable of living for extended periods out of water. ive had one get away because i didnt whack em in the head hard enough, he jumped out of the bucket and wiggled his way to the water. and this was several minutes after i caught him, i had time to re-bait and cast (twice). this is also why i started torture murdering them, because if they wish for death, they wont try to escape.
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judging by your logic i guess you method of cockroach extermination doesn't end with a shoe.
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The adults maybe, but the larvae are pretty critical in most freshwater ecosystems. Mozzies have been around hundreds of millions of years after all, and they're right down the bottom of most food chains - I'd take a lot of convincing that the world's ecosystems have been essentially ignoring them as a food source for all that time.
Indeed. The adults are fairly important too cause they are so packed with nutrients (what with being packed full of blood half the time).
Doesn't mean we shouldn't kill them. They need a ****ing strong selection pressure to realise humans simply aren't worth biting.
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If I remember correctly, it's female mosquitoes that are the problem, last I heard, there may be pheromone based methods of convincing the females to (a) not breed as voraciously and (b) convincing them not to bite humans. Whilst that method may take effort on the part of humans when working near mosquitoes, such as sprays etc, it's probably ecologically less risky than culling them.
The real problem in much of the world is the fact that there are already protections developed, but they simply are not available, or are too expensive to have any real impact on the local population, my own suspicion is that the answer to the Malaria problem is a human-centric, not mosquito-centric one.
Edit: I also seem to recall another problem in that there are now breeds of mosquito that are immune to the usual pesticides, because they are the offspring of those that have survived generation after generation of being sprayed with it.
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Yeah, we're slowly but surely evolving all sorts of superbugs. :/
Ethical/ecological points aside, I don't think it's even remotely feasible to destroy mosquitoes entirely save for some sort of genetic modification campaign -- they are so numerous and widespread, and this will increase further in a warmer world. Changing their behaviors is an interesting idea though.
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I think people are just trying to get you to flip your ****, Lorric. :P
I think Deathfun is truthful, but I don't believe Nuke.
Mosquitoes will never have my sympathies
Given that kilo for kilo the body count might be of the same order of magnitude, I don't see any reason not to kill any mosquito dumb enough to try to take a bite out of me.
...and every one of their little bastard friends within swatting range.
Mosquitos are a blight. I read a scientific blog a while back that made a serious argument for eradicating them, seeing as they are not a primary and irreplaceable food source for anything.
I won't get in the way of mosquito-killing, but wiping them out entirely is risky, you can't undo what is done.
Deathfun is probably a sociopath going by his latest comment.
Don't start that nonsense again.
Are you capable of it?
Just so we're clear, every human being is both able and capable of killing another given the correct set of circumstances. Anyone who claims otherwise either doesn't know themselves as well as they think they do or has a limited capacity for imagination.
If Deathfun isn't a sociopath, tell me what he is. The comment about having no scale of enjoyment also makes me think he is a sociopath. Anyway, we can just say he's sick and be right about that.
The question wasn't is he capable of killing a human, I don't know where you got that from. The question was is he capable of feeling sympathy.
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its almost fishing season. i usually have a ritualized torture-murder session that comes after landing a fish, it involves a slow disembowelment with care taken to make sure the fish survives every cut and slice, and then remove the organs in order of increasing necessity. and finally i take off the head in a slow sawing motion. then i take their corpses home and fry them in a lemon butter sauce. i kinda want to apply those techniques to hunting, but i always end up hitting something critical and the buck dies before i can make it long for death.
I call bull****.
It's a fish, it'll die pretty soon from suffocation after it has been landed anyway.
And if you make things you want to eat die in that manner, it will drastically reduce the quality of the meat.
fish seem to be capable of living for extended periods out of water. ive had one get away because i didnt whack em in the head hard enough, he jumped out of the bucket and wiggled his way to the water. and this was several minutes after i caught him, i had time to re-bait and cast (twice). this is also why i started torture murdering them, because if they wish for death, they wont try to escape.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Soooooo, on one hand you torture murder the fish so they won't try to get away. Which is very silly in itself. On the other hand you're annoyed you keep hitting the vitals on hunting trips. And it wouldn't be better just to hit the fish harder/more often?
Care to try again, Nuke? You're funny. You haven't thought this through, have you? :D
Nice to start the day with a smile. :)
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cant say im that good, but i can catch a few things. i know people who go fishing and they expect to be some kind of god, get a 50 pound salmon or some trophy fish. then just end up geting all their bait stolen by bottom feeders cause they let their lure sink too far. of course if you get your king salmon or you hundred pound halibut then you got to worry about a sea lion stealing it (or an orca). face it, you vs a thousand pound marine mammal, it doesnt take a genius to know whos gonna win that contest. you are luckey getting out of that situation without loosing your rod and you probibly wont stay very dry either. i do have a spot were i can catch my daily limit on dolly though. not bad with said lemon butter sauce. its not yours till its in the pan though.
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Yeah, we're slowly but surely evolving all sorts of superbugs. :/
Ethical/ecological points aside, I don't think it's even remotely feasible to destroy mosquitoes entirely save for some sort of genetic modification campaign -- they are so numerous and widespread, and this will increase further in a warmer world. Changing their behaviors is an interesting idea though.
IIRC, there is actually a campaign where - for one malaria-carrying species in particular (not all mosquitos can carry malaria) a group of geneticists has actually bred a modified variant of the species that cannot carry malaria, and yet is capable of out-competing the wild type. Idea is to release them into the wild and allow the modified population to wipe out the wt species and therefore wipe out malaria transmission in the process.
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That's intriguing! I'd be interested in seeing more information, particularly discussion on whether there may be unintended consequences, though I can't think of any obvious ones.
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There's always a chance of a late "Ooops, we didn't see that coming!" if people interfere with ecosystems, i guess.
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I suppose the good thing about genetic manipulation is that we are, if anything, healthily paranoid about the 'biting your ass' risks in doing it, so you can be certain that any kind of introduction of replacement species would be watched incredibly closely for potential problems. The hard part is what do you do if something does go wrong. I suppose it's theoretically possible to create a sort of 'self-destruct' trigger in the new species, but even that carries it's own large set of ethical and scientific conundrums.
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IIRC, there is actually a campaign where - for one malaria-carrying species in particular (not all mosquitos can carry malaria) a group of geneticists has actually bred a modified variant of the species that cannot carry malaria, and yet is capable of out-competing the wild type. Idea is to release them into the wild and allow the modified population to wipe out the wt species and therefore wipe out malaria transmission in the process.
It was done by Hopkins genetics nerds 6-7 years ago. Problem was that they only out competed unaltered mosquitoes when they (both modified and unmodified mosquitoes) fed on malaria-infected animals, otherwise the GMsquitoes were less survivable, (if only marginally).
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Lorric: Your attempts at trying to diagnose random people with sociopathy based on their forum posts is neither appreciated nor warranted. In case you were unaware, this is the Internet, and the probability of you being trolled is much, much higher than the probability of you being correct.
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i'm still not sure that lorric isn't also attempting to troll.
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or just a young, inexperienced individual who has yet to have his illusions shattered into dust.
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i'm still not sure that lorric isn't also attempting to troll.
Why? Because I value life?
or just a young, inexperienced individual who has yet to have his illusions shattered into dust.
Wallow in your miserable existence if you want. You won't bring me down with you.
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Everyone needs to chill out. Give me a reason not to lock this thread before it goes even further downhill.
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or just a young, inexperienced individual who has yet to have his illusions shattered into dust.
Wallow in your miserable existence if you want. You won't bring me down with you.
who says its miserable? i enjoy watching others suffer.
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Yeah, we're done.
Lorric: You are immensely trollable. It would be a good idea to work on that. Consider: Whenever someone here posts something that runs counter to your morals, you pretty much immediately get outraged and call whoever offended you a sociopath, or callous, or heartless. Never once does it occur to you that you are trolled, and that is why you're such a good target for it.
I admire your earnestness, I really do, but understand this: What you are doing is responding to trolling with ad hominems. That is not something you should do. Instead go the easier route and ignore it. Everyone will be better off for it.