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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Flipside on April 29, 2014, 12:31:26 pm
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27210448
Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford will be resuming their roles for the new Star Wars movie.
This basically suggests that it WILL be set after RotJ, I'm assuming they are playing their original (though older) characters and the story will revolve around their children.
This bodes... interesting, whilst it has no influence on the quality of the movie, it does at least suggest that whoever is steering this has some concept of what was wrong with the previous movies.
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Star Wars VII is set 30 years after Return of the Jedi (which neatly matches up with how old the actors have gotten).
Lucas always intended episodes VII-IX to be set after RotJ. Hence, you know, the numbers VII through IX.
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Yes, but his mistake was making the prequels, no-one's really interested in how the bad guys got to rule the Galaxy in Star Wars.
I think using the numbers system to justify the 'obviousness' of the fact is a little unfair, after all, Star Wars VII is also the seventh Star Wars movie being made, it doesn't 'automatically' follow that it would be set after RotJ, once it's given a name, you might be more justified in saying that, but it's not currently named for its position in the series, it's currently named for the number of movies made so far.
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I think using the numbers system to justify the 'obviousness' of the fact is a little unfair, after all, Star Wars VII is also the seventh Star Wars movie being made, it doesn't 'automatically' follow that it would be set after RotJ, once it's given a name, you might be more justified in saying that, but it's not currently named for its position in the series, it's currently named for the number of movies made so far.
This is as much (and more likely considerably more) supposition than what I said. Lucas has spoken of the rest of the Star Wars movies repeatedly in terms of a nine-movie arc where the original releases were the middle segment. The substance of my post is essentially "We already knew this".
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It was being called Star Wars VII before anything was known about it other than the fact it was being made after Lucas sold the rights to the movies. People wanted it to continue along Lucas' planned path, but before that was confirmed, it was still being called Star Wars VII.
Honestly, I thought people would enjoy this little snippet of information and be pleased to see these roles revived, instead I get condescension.
Next time I find something that this community might find interesting, I won't ****ing bother.
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Honestly, I thought people would enjoy this little snippet of information and be pleased to see these roles revived, instead I get condescension.
Next time I find something that this community might find interesting, I won't ****ing bother.
I was interested, just so you know.
I hope the movie is worthy of their presence in it.
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I hope Han Solo escapes a exploding Death Star in a fridge.
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I hope Han Solo escapes a exploding Death Star in a fridge.
"You're... a smuggler?
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Not that I've even read them yet myself, but I do wish that these movies were basically the Thrawn Trilogy, instead of whatever they're going to be doing with them.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27210448
Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford will be resuming their roles for the new Star Wars movie.
This basically suggests that it WILL be set after RotJ, I'm assuming they are playing their original (though older) characters and the story will revolve around their children.
This bodes... interesting, whilst it has no influence on the quality of the movie, it does at least suggest that whoever is steering this has some concept of what was wrong with the previous movies.
Good news, no doubt about that. Thanks Flipside!
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Not that I've even read them yet myself, but I do wish that these movies were basically the Thrawn Trilogy, instead of whatever they're going to be doing with them.
Obvious problem there would be that the Thrawn Trilogy takes place a lot closer to RotJ than these movies are going to. If they wanted to use the original actors at a time that made sense, they would've had to film the Thrawn Trilogy closer to... 1990, I think? Obviously, since the Thrawn Trilogy was published after that point...
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This changes nothing about my apathy towards this moive ... as long as J.J. Abrams is directing I'm not getting invested in this
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I think Lucas scrapped the idea of doing of nine movies when they decided to wrap everything up with RotJ. We are now firmly in "stuff he may have scribbled on the back of a cocktail napkin at some point maybe" territory. Very Space Balls 2: the Search for More Money.
Unless Luke becomes the new Vader or something I'm not convinced there is any room for a Star Wars movie that flows naturally from RotJ, let alone three of them.
Also WHERE IS LANDO?
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Most of the things that make the Thrawn Trilogy a decent set of books would probably make them bad movies. Except Thrawn, possibly.
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Their kids will be grown up.
Episode VII - Calling for money
Episode VIII - The parents strike back
Episode VIIII - Return of the phone call
Episode X will have to do with these dead beats training as jedi in their cardboard academy in some dirty alley. Their kids obviously become broke, homeless, and crazy.
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The EU got scrapped if folks haven't heard, it's now a separate entity.
The only Disney canon is the 6 films and Clone Wars TV series.
So I wouldn't be worried about Thrawn, Mara Jade... etc.
*cries silently in a corner*
But... at least the Vong are gone too...
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Who gives a ****, large fictional canons are a questionable idea to begin with
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Yea. Some sacrifices are made fighting cancer. But we are getting three new books in the new canon, and...
Kevin J. Anderson...
you, Disne**** y.
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Most of the things that make the Thrawn Trilogy a decent set of books would probably make them bad movies. Except Thrawn, possibly.
They definitely read like movies in my head, more than many of the other star wars books.
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Also WHERE IS LANDO?
Never mind that.
WHERE IS WEDGE?
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I'm still EU loyal.
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Having read 99% of the EU I can confidently say it is 99% garbage that rarely if ever understood what made Star Wars interesting. Even the beloved Rogue Squadron books were, well -
Traitor and Shatterpoint were pretty legit though.
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Having read 99% of the EU I can confidently say it is 99% garbage that rarely if ever understood what made Star Wars interesting. Even the beloved Rogue Squadron books were, well -
I wouldn't call the Rogue Squadron entries in the X-Wing series "beloved"... more like "tolerated." Now, Allston's Wraith Squadron books, and Starfighters of Adumar...
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I don't think most of the things that made SW great work particularly well in non-movie media. I mean it has shooting and flying and all which are neat for video games, but at its heart SW is really pure movie. Its lifeblood is editing and music and cheese.
Also WHERE IS LANDO?
Never mind that.
WHERE IS WEDGE?
Unwittingly married an Ewok. Hell of a party.
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Lucas always intended episodes VII-IX to be set after RotJ. Hence, you know, the numbers VII through IX.
After I - III who gives a **** what he intended to do? :p
Episode VII - Calling for money
Episode VIII - The parents strike back
Episode VIIII - Return of the phone call
Episode X will have to do with these dead beats training as jedi in their cardboard academy in some dirty alley. Their kids obviously become broke, homeless, and crazy.
There will be no Episode X. Instead there will be a gritty reboot.
To be honest I'm hugely surprised they haven't tried that already. A Star Wars reboot could consist of an hour and a half of Vader taking a dump on a space toilet and STILL make a fortune.
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The prospect of a reboot sounds just as bad as it is great. It is old and has never been rebooted. This reboot in my own taste would have more underpinnings of the technology in star wars explained (but, i don't think a reboot would be fun and save it like the star trek reboot). Episodes 1-3 were terrible at ending up in random locations with bull**** technology that largely didn't make sense just for a scene. The whole battle with darth maul; wtf was the point of that place with the pink force fields? Hmmm, this is convenient; no **** lucas. The de-limbing of anakin, that whole fight of ridiculous bull**** on the lava planet was great until they went outside and continued fighting on top of droids that i guess don't mind continuing doing their jobs, convenently, the droids had force fields too (god forbid these droids, they might just want to, avoid the lava instead). Yet another perfect lazy scene.
At least in star trek and B5, they actually do go after technology explanation pretty darn often. Whereas star wars doesn't really (unless you read the books, well, there was the movies before the books, i'm ignoring the books because next to nothing explains how stuff in star wars works on screen). I think the only thing that was explained on screen was how the droid army worked in episode 1. Star wars more or less goes after, here's some bull****, and just accept it.
It leaves me wondering why the damn story of star wars takes place in a technologically advanced galactic culture since the technology doesn't matter one ****. You could take the story of star wars, place it on only a single planet, in the medieval age (if you have even half a brain, most people watching a movie in medieval times aren't going to be thinking "well how does that work?" and what the **** is this supposed to be?"), and still have the story of star wars with some wizards (force substitution) and call it wizard wars for all i care, and still have movies. All ships are substituted with dragons. Now this re-interpretation makes star wars sound even more like a steaming pile of ****. Well, i know that star wars is already a steaming pile of **** from an elephant that could walk up a wall and leave one hell of an inverted pile.
For ****'s sake, you might want to have the technology being the integral core piece of the whole entire setting in a scifi fantasy setting. At least star wars isn't anywhere near as bad as age of the dragons. At least that smelled to high heaven of being in the wrong setting. Mean while star wars and it's bull****..."it's in the future, who cares, pew pew, flashy special affects, were sheep".
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1st: It's in the past.
2nd: Avoid Dune.
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Explaining the technology in Star Wars goes exactly counter to the point of Star Wars. It's not a hard science fiction setting, it's a fantasy story that just so happens to have spaceships.
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The EU got scrapped if folks haven't heard, it's now a separate entity.
The only Disney canon is the 6 films and Clone Wars TV series.
So I wouldn't be worried about Thrawn, Mara Jade... etc.
*cries silently in a corner*
"Scrapping continuity" does not mean that one can not draw from the EU's many ideas, similar to say, a Batman film, can draw from the comic books even though it is not set in the same continuity.
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Explaining the technology in Star Wars goes exactly counter to the point of Star Wars. It's not a hard science fiction setting, it's a fantasy story that just so happens to have spaceships.
Why yes, i already addressed that. The point of it having star ships, technology beyond our wildest dreams, and a galactic civilization is all meaningless since the technology doesn't matter.
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Rule of Cool. There, done.
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The space setting is pretty critical to SW's visual aesthetic (which is probably its greatest accomplishment IMO), and convincing spaceships were a lot more doable (though still groundbreaking) in 70s moviemaking than dragons.
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One small step for plebs, one giant crime against TimZahnity.
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its a space-opera comedy-adventure folks. calm the **** down.
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its a space-opera comedy-adventure folks. calm the **** down.
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The space setting is pretty critical to SW's visual aesthetic (which is probably its greatest accomplishment IMO), and convincing spaceships were a lot more doable (though still groundbreaking) in 70s moviemaking than dragons.
Make it cartoon movies :nod:
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So I wouldn't be worried about Thrawn, Mara Jade... etc.
*cries silently in a corner*
But... at least the Vong are gone too...
Pretty much my sentiments exactly.
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The space setting is pretty critical to SW's visual aesthetic (which is probably its greatest accomplishment IMO), and convincing spaceships were a lot more doable (though still groundbreaking) in 70s moviemaking than dragons.
Make it cartoon movies :nod:
I think it would have been nearly impossible to blow audiences away visually like SW did with 1977 cartoon animation. Lucas's background was in live action (he was basically riding the wave of good will/greed from the huge success of American Graffiti) , so I dunno if Fox would have backed an animated feature even if he had wanted to do it that way. Anyway, the scale and the detail and the lived-in look would all have been really hard to achieve in a cartoon.
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I have a bad feeling about this.
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I have a bad feeling about this.
That's your rheumatism, Han. Now go sit down in the corner and drink your prune juice.
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uld have been nearly impossible to blow audiences away visually like SW did with 1977 cartoon animation. Lucas's background was in live action (he was basically riding the wave of good will/greed from the huge success of American Graffiti) , so I dunno if Fox would have backed an animated feature even if he had wanted to do it that way. Anyway, the scale and the detail and the lived-in look would all have been really hard to achieve in a cartoon.
Star wars did do a great job of blowing people away with visual live action. However, there are several great animated pieces from the late 70's and 80's. I will bring up one though. 1983's conan fire and ice. It may not have been the greatest movie, but the animation and the graphics are spectacular. Seeing star wars with this kind of animation i believe would be a real treat.
I am not saying i wish star wars was a ralph bakshi presents feature. Just the collaboration between him and frank frazetta for nothing more than animating star wars if it was to be animated.
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Most of the things that make the Thrawn Trilogy a decent set of books would probably make them bad movies. Except Thrawn, possibly.
I heartily disagree. (http://www.amazon.com/Heir-Empire-Star-Wars-Timothy/dp/1569712026)
Reading that graphic novel was very compelling evidence that the Thrawn trilogy has great potential to be made into good movies.
That apparently won't happen, though. (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/apr/28/star-wars-expanded-universe-stories-episode-vii-lucasfilm)
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So they finally want to explain the origins of Yoda?
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I remember reading the Thrawn trilogy in a comic book (an excellent one, btw) and not in a novel format. I have my doubts it would render a good movie. It's clear there were some good concepts that didn't make it in the "translation" of formats and that would be absolutely lost in the movie format.