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Title: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bryan See on June 22, 2015, 01:20:09 am
Hey, guys. You may not have heard in the recent months that NASA's New Horizons (http://pluto.jhuapl.edu) spacecraft is now approaching Pluto, which was demoted from a planet status in 2006. On July 14, it will make a historic close approach to the dwarf planet.

Here's the image of Pluto/Charon:
(http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encounter/data/pluto/level2/lor/jpeg/029716/lor_0297168703_0x630_sci_1.jpg)
Source: LORRI Images from the Pluto Encounter (displayed in raw form without special stretching) (http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encounter/index.php)

Did you see that, Pluto and Charon gets bigger in raw images!

We'll keep you updated about New Horizons' flyby of Pluto.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on June 22, 2015, 01:45:25 am
Theme song for this thread:

Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bryan See on June 22, 2015, 02:53:55 am
Thanks, Bobboau. I liked it :)

Check out this video from NASA:

Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: StarSlayer on June 22, 2015, 09:08:35 am
YTMNPluto (http://macgyverpluto.ytmnd.com/)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on June 22, 2015, 09:17:21 am
They have their twitter account as well for anyone into that kind of source https://twitter.com/NewHorizons2015
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: watsisname on June 22, 2015, 05:35:56 pm
I'd been curious about how the image scale of Pluto would change with time as we get closer to the flyby, so I put together a couple of plots.  These assume a constant Pluto-relative velocity of 13.8km/s (good assumption; New Horizon's is going WAY faster than the escape speed) and a closest approach distance of 12472km (current objective if no debris hazard avoidance maneuvers are required).

(http://i.imgur.com/51jjUpY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IY7UiN7.jpg)

Currently we're 21 days out and the angular size of Pluto is about 20 arcseconds (comparable to the size of Saturn as seen from Earth!).  This will improve to about 10 degrees at closest approach. But given New Horizon's fast speed and Pluto's small size, that good view will only last for a few minutes!  And we get a 1° view for about 5 hours.

That's a very short encounter for such a long time waiting.  Interplanetary travel is crazy.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Mongoose on June 22, 2015, 06:19:05 pm
Yeah, it's a pity that we can't flip on the infinite-fuel cheat and magic up some massive delta-v to get into orbit and hang around for a while.  But even the little time we have there should give us some amazing pictures.  The cool part is that the closest fly-by is right before my birthday, so I'll get some pretty pictures to look at as presents. :D
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Goober5000 on June 23, 2015, 01:04:02 am
Just be aware that it will take over a year to return all the data from the flyby.  (This is one of the more insane facts about this mission.)  During the flyby itself, New Horizons will be storing all the data to its on-board memory.  It can only return that data in a trickle because the power of the radio signal is so much weaker at Pluto.

And if the extended mission to fly past another KBO is approved, the situation will be even more constrained in 2019!
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Goober5000 on June 23, 2015, 01:23:07 am
A promotional video from the maker of "Wanderers":

Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: NGTM-1R on June 23, 2015, 02:30:16 am
Yeah, it's a pity that we can't flip on the infinite-fuel cheat and magic up some massive delta-v to get into orbit and hang around for a while.  But even the little time we have there should give us some amazing pictures.  The cool part is that the closest fly-by is right before my birthday, so I'll get some pretty pictures to look at as presents. :D

Yeah, having looked into this stuff for writing, holy crap does the willingness to do constant burns improve your life.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on June 23, 2015, 06:54:09 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CILrIO_WEAArbkW.png)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on June 23, 2015, 07:51:23 am
*Insert Mass Effect joke*
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on June 26, 2015, 03:53:59 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIdCavMUkAUvpEj.jpg)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on June 29, 2015, 06:17:17 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIqcOGfVAAERHK1.jpg)

19.7 million kms from target.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Cyborg17 on June 29, 2015, 06:49:50 am
I'm so anxious!  It's such a quick flyby!  What if a programmer goofed up?  What if we miss our chance?  What if the pictures are really horrible??  What if it's just a boring grey blob??   :shaking:
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on June 29, 2015, 07:07:12 am
WHAT IF IT'S JUST A PLANET WITH FEATURES ON IT?
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Goober5000 on June 29, 2015, 09:58:51 am
I'm so anxious!  It's such a quick flyby!  What if a programmer goofed up?  What if we miss our chance?  What if the pictures are really horrible??  What if it's just a boring grey blob??   :shaking:

Then lobby for another Pluto mission!

Or lobby for a Neptune orbiter.  That would have plenty of chances to study Triton, which scientists think is a captured KBO.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on July 03, 2015, 08:55:47 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_oYwYWUAErQe_.png)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: watsisname on July 05, 2015, 09:13:49 am
Hopefully the only glitch on this mission just happened:

Quote from: nasa.gov
The New Horizons spacecraft experienced an anomaly the afternoon of July 4 that led to a loss of communication with Earth. Communication has since been reestablished and the spacecraft is healthy.

The mission operations center at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Maryland, lost contact with the unmanned spacecraft -- now 10 days from arrival at Pluto -- at 1:54 p.m. EDT, and regained communications with New Horizons at 3:15 p.m. EDT, through NASA’s Deep Space Network.

During that time the autonomous autopilot on board the spacecraft recognized a problem and – as it’s programmed to do in such a situation - switched from the main to the backup computer. The autopilot placed the spacecraft in “safe mode,” and commanded the backup computer to reinitiate communication with Earth. New Horizons then began to transmit telemetry to help engineers diagnose the problem. 

A New Horizons Anomaly Review Board (ARB) was convened at 4 p.m. EDT to gather information on the problem and initiate a recovery plan. The team is now working to return New Horizons to its original flight plan. Due to the 9-hour, round trip communication delay that results from operating a spacecraft almost 3 billion miles (4.9 billion kilometers) from Earth, full recovery is expected to take from one to several days; New Horizons will be temporarily unable to collect science data during that time.

Status updates will be issued as new information is available.

Very scary for this to happen only 9 days from the flyby.  Unless it's not a coincidence?  Maybe Pluto is reacting to our sending it a lump of Plutonium...
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on July 05, 2015, 01:30:23 pm
yeah, how would we react to a lump of plutonium arriving at low relativistic speeds on something approching a colision path from a distant part of the solar system we never considered possible for life to survive in
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: SmashMonkey on July 05, 2015, 11:30:41 pm
That's a very short encounter for such a long time waiting.  Interplanetary travel is crazy.

Ffs we need to invent a subspace drive soon.

Also, what if we discover a Shivan base on Pluto? o.O
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: watsisname on July 06, 2015, 04:54:50 am
I'd probably **** bricks and wonder what they are doing on Pluto of all things.  Then I'd phone up Jason Scott and say "I believe you have some explaining to do." :p
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: watsisname on July 06, 2015, 07:55:07 pm
Quote from: nasa.gov
NASA’s New Horizons mission is returning to normal science operations after a July 4 anomaly and remains on track for its July 14 flyby of Pluto.

The investigation into the anomaly that caused New Horizons to enter “safe mode” on July 4 has concluded that no hardware or software fault occurred on the spacecraft. The underlying cause of the incident was a hard-to-detect timing flaw in the spacecraft command sequence that occurred during an operation to prepare for the close flyby. No similar operations are planned for the remainder of the Pluto encounter.

“I’m pleased that our mission team quickly identified the problem and assured the health of the spacecraft,” said Jim Green, NASA’s Director of Planetary Science. “Now – with Pluto in our sights – we’re on the verge of returning to normal operations and going for the gold.”

This is a big relief.  And the latest images keep getting better and better!
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bryan See on July 07, 2015, 11:21:47 am
Pluto gets clearer this time...

(http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Multimedia/Science-Photos/pics/pluto3_150705_noannot.jpeg)

And, in color form...

(http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Multimedia/Science-Photos/pics/NH%20Color%206-5-14.jpg)

Don't forget, HLP is free to throw a Plutopalooza party upon New Horizon's historic flyby of Pluto! Click here: http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Participate/community/Plutopalooza-Toolkit.php (http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Participate/community/Plutopalooza-Toolkit.php).

By the way, a decade ago, I have my name onboard the spacecraft. Check my certificate if you are free.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Mongoose on July 07, 2015, 05:40:25 pm
It's Mars Jr.  Who knew?
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 07, 2015, 05:57:49 pm
Don't forget, HLP is free to throw a Plutopalooza party upon New Horizon's historic flyby of Pluto! Click here: http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Participate/community/Plutopalooza-Toolkit.php (http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Participate/community/Plutopalooza-Toolkit.php).

Glory to Mike Brown, planet-slayer! Death to the heathens!
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: qwadtep on July 08, 2015, 12:19:43 am
Also, what if we discover a Shivan base on Pluto? o.O
Rejoice that there isn't a Gamilas base hurling asteroids at Earth instead.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bryan See on July 08, 2015, 11:02:28 am
This is the latest map of Pluto created from LORRI images taken from June 27 to July 3, combined with lower-resolution color data from the Ralph instrument.

(http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Multimedia/Science-Photos/pics/nh-pluto-map.jpg)

Guess there's no Shivan base on it. Or even a GRW or Authority base.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: watsisname on July 08, 2015, 04:01:15 pm
NH's still fairly far out and can't resolve things smaller than ~200km yet.  We need to get closer to be able to rule out existence of Shivan bases, and then they might still be hiding in the permanight.  Sneaky buggers.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Phantom Hoover on July 08, 2015, 04:47:16 pm
have we ruled out the existence of fwiffo yet
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on July 08, 2015, 05:09:45 pm
Given that Fwiffo isn't supposed to arrive on pluto for over a century, I'm not sure how anything New Horizons does in the near future would be able to rule out his existence.

;)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bryan See on July 08, 2015, 10:44:30 pm
Pluto gets closer this morning.

(http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Multimedia/Science-Photos/pics/HEART%20-%207-8-15_Pluto_color_new_NASA-JHUAPL-SWRI.png)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Dark Hunter on July 09, 2015, 01:16:23 am
have we ruled out the existence of fwiffo yet

Dude, Fwiffo saw the probe coming and got the hell out. He always knew the sneaky hunams were going to do something tricky.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 09, 2015, 01:58:27 am
have we ruled out the existence of fwiffo yet

Given his habit of lurking just outside the range of our detectors, probably not.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Flipside on July 09, 2015, 03:55:22 am
Looks a lot more varied than I thought it would be, I was expecting more or less just a monochrome dirty snowball, stuff is going on there, which makes it much more interesting :)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on July 09, 2015, 04:34:17 am
Looks a lot more varied than I thought it would be, I was expecting more or less just a monochrome dirty snowball, stuff is going on there, which makes it much more interesting :)

Ditto! Although, the art that was more commonly used by NASA and other interested media outlets at portraying Pluto was something like this image:

(http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/pluto-illo.jpg?itok=10mbjVUA)

And that seems a tad spot on.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on July 09, 2015, 07:39:11 pm
(http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encounter/data/pluto/level2/lor/jpeg/029861/lor_0298615084_0x630_sci_1.jpg)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 10, 2015, 12:12:52 am
oohhhhhh
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Flipside on July 10, 2015, 09:28:37 pm
When I see that picture, I hear 1950's sci-fi music...
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bryan See on July 11, 2015, 09:56:00 pm
Signs of geology are here on Pluto, and its puzzling spots were imaged in New Horizons' last portraits.

(http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Multimedia/Science-Photos/pics/7-10-15_Pluto_image_NASA-JHUAPL-SWRI%20(2).png)

(http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Multimedia/Science-Photos/pics/nh-pluto-7-11-15.jpg)

Two days to its historic close approach of Pluto! :lol:
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on July 12, 2015, 01:13:18 pm
*gorgeous picture*

Man it'd be so awesome if we can actually get that level of image quality from the probe...
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Sandwich on July 12, 2015, 04:12:35 pm
So now there's a really high-resolution color photo of Pluto where you can really see the surface texture, as well as the dark and bright areas:

Spoiler Alert! Mouseover to view…(https://juliusduncan.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/img_0244.jpg)

:nervous:
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on July 12, 2015, 07:12:49 pm
[spoiler-media]
I didn't even know we had that tag. :O
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on July 13, 2015, 02:49:58 pm
Someone had to get it right, it was a statistical necessity. Still!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJzypNbVAAASseI.jpg)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Goober5000 on July 13, 2015, 08:57:14 pm
Wow!
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on July 13, 2015, 09:31:14 pm
(http://planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/9-small-bodies/2015/20150713_nh-7-13-15_pluto_charon_image_nasa-jhuapl-swri.png)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Flipside on July 13, 2015, 11:27:28 pm
Been thinking about Charon, which is somewhere that intrigued me as a child, because only Earth has a similar 'huge moon' system (compared to the parent planet).

Scientists seemed quite excited at the difference in appearance between Pluto and Charon, but thinking about it, that seems to be the norm for the solar system, the rarity seems to be moons that resemble their parent planet in some way. Besides considering Plutos size and position, it's entirely possible that Charon was a Kuiper Belt object that got caught in the gravity well. The outer solar system had a pretty busy post-starbirth life, I'd be surprised if Pluto could hang onto a natural moon that size for that long in that environment.

In many ways Earth is the odd one out, not only is it a giant-moon system, but the moon is natural and produced from Earth-rock via a massive post-accretion impact. I'd be surprised if that sort of thing often produced a near-stable system like our own with smaller planets.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: ZylonBane on July 13, 2015, 11:59:01 pm
Get off my lawn, probe!
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on July 14, 2015, 01:01:05 am
whut the f.. where the **** have you been for the last... 9 years? why the **** are you crashing Pluto's party?
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on July 14, 2015, 06:50:42 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ3yK7VUYAEne2B.png)

Man, the stream guy is ****ing ridiculous, but still:

http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on July 14, 2015, 10:29:35 am
the heart is right there :)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Turambar on July 14, 2015, 10:40:00 am
Nope, don't see any Garmillas
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: General Battuta on July 14, 2015, 10:48:38 am
Get off my lawn, probe!

Hi
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on July 14, 2015, 11:23:49 am
OH MY GOOOD

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ4ejHkUsAAEAnm.jpg)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Mongoose on July 14, 2015, 12:36:28 pm
oh you are ****ting me
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Dark Hunter on July 14, 2015, 01:30:00 pm
Coincidence, or is nature/aliens trolling us?
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: qwadtep on July 14, 2015, 11:57:48 pm
Nah, just Buster Machine 7. She's a robot.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Flipside on July 15, 2015, 01:04:07 am
Well, it survived the flyby, which is good news, looking forward to seeing what data it collected during its closest phase.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Flipside on July 15, 2015, 03:01:37 pm
Double Post, but I felt it worthy, the first close-ups are in :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33543383

Looks incredible, it's as much a testament to the speed of improvement in imaging tech as space exploration. Most interesting discovery of the day so far, it appears that icy worlds don't need to be caught in tidal gravity forces to be geologically active.
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on July 15, 2015, 03:22:04 pm
Charon
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/nh-charon.jpg)

Pluto: Extreme Closeup
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/15-152.png)
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: qwadtep on July 15, 2015, 09:43:20 pm
Quote
A striking dark region at [Charon's] pole may be a thin veneer on top of redder material, she added. It has been informally named Mordor
One does not simply orbital slingshot into Mordor!
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Luis Dias on July 16, 2015, 03:52:15 am
Mordor! I LOVE it!
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on July 16, 2015, 10:12:04 am
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/16/new-horizons-team-bumper-sticker-pluto/30231825/

:lol:
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Gray on July 16, 2015, 10:48:43 am
 :nervous:



[attachment deleted by nobody]
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on July 17, 2015, 10:07:51 am
http://i.imgur.com/ZiRD56E.gifv
Title: Re: New Horizons Pluto Close Flyby - July 14, 2015
Post by: Bobboau on July 18, 2015, 05:51:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/1BlcnjC.png)