[Bobboau]

no not becase he is from texas, not becase he mis spoke, but he just doesn't seem to ever potray a sence of inteligence about him, maybe I'm wrong, but I have yet to see him do much that I considered to be terably intelegent,
I mean I am hardly the person to judge someone simply becase they don't know how to spell something
now many of his aids are quite sharp, Colin Powel, Don Rumsfeild, Dick Cheiny, all quite well the people I want close to power while were fighting a war, though only Colin would be good to be in comand of thouse people IMHO

[Falcon X]

Seeing all of that was highly biased opinion.  You didn't tell me one thing that I already discounted... A smart man doesn't make a good speaker.  Are you telling me Steven Hawking is a good speaker?  How about a prof?  **** they are brilliant yet notorious for not being able to speak.  That shows that being intelligent doesn't mean you are a good speaker.

Show me something else.

[Stryke 9]

FalconX: Like I said in the previous post- we've seen he can talk when he knows what he's talking about. But most of the time he's short on info and doesn't really give a ****, which is why he sounds like he does. He's just told to sell the product and pushed onto the camera, and he makes a poor salesman.

Yet somehow, he sells. And people keep buying the bull****, eating it up and begging for more, hardly ever complaining about the smell.

[Falcon X]

Originally posted by Bobboau
no not becase he is from texas, not becase he mis spoke, but he just doesn't seem to ever potray a sence of inteligence about him, maybe I'm wrong, but I have yet to see him do much that I considered to be terably intelegent,
I mean I am hardly the person to judge someone simply becase they don't know how to spell something
now many of his aids are quite sharp, Colin Powel, Don Rumsfeild, Dick Cheiny, all quite well the people I want close to power while were fighting a war, though only Colin would be good to be in comand of thouse people IMHO

Okay I understand this.  But don't go jumping to conclusions...  I mean he may be smart he may not be.  But look at it this way... who picked those aids?  Also many of the people that have worked with him say he's damn intelligent.

[Falcon X]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
FalconX: Like I said in the previous post- we've seen he can talk when he knows what he's talking about. But most of the time he's short on info and doesn't really give a ****, which is why he sounds like he does. He's just told to sell the product and pushed onto the camera, and he makes a poor salesman.

Yet somehow, he sells. And people keep buying the bull****, eating it up and begging for more, hardly ever complaining about the smell.

Actually if you look at the Iraq part he also slipped up in there.

[Stryke 9]

He tripped over his words a little, but you never noticed it. That's what good talking's all about- you can hardly every get a speech out flawlessly, the idea is to carry over the stumbling with force of conviction. And he had plenty of that. It was good. I'm completely against the war, and it was good. Which is pretty good, for politics.

[CP5670]

He strikes me as one of these guys that tends to reach the right conclusion for policy decisions with the wrong reasoning, but that is much better than many of the more "sophisticated" types, who reach a wrong conclusion with wrong reasoning. Also, he acts as a good mask for the rest so that the world does not take him so seriously, and as a result he and his men can operate more in the dark than they would be able to otherwise.

That driving people into a panic with propoganda and then getting their representatives to sign something with the name "Patriot" on it blindly for fear that otherwise their careers will be ruined is not democratic, per se. I suppose you could make the argument that nobody is literally forced into doing it, but the same rationalization could be used to argue for legalizing fraud.

That is perfectly democratic, because they are being "convinced," and if they were not, they would not agree to it. That is my point here.

[Razor]

Crud! I can't open the link.

[Falcon X]

True... but nothing like a good politician.

He actually did well on the other stuff.  Personnaly I think he did a good job on the other stuff.

Now just remember that you're ASSUMING that he doesn't care about that ****.  You have all circumstantial evidence.

[Stryke 9]

It's an assumption, yes. But we know he's big on the war (and how), and we know he's much better talking about the war than, for example, anything not the war, so deduction would yield... well, solve it your own way.

[Falcon X]

I agree he is big on the war... but you're saying he doesn't care about anything else.  That's the assumption.

[CP5670]

It's an assumption, yes. But we know he's big on the war (and how), and we know he's much better talking about the war than, for example, anything not the war, so deduction would yield... well, solve it your own way.

um yeah, any person is obviously going to better at talking about something that they have reasons to support than something that they do not, which is why they would be taking that stance in the first place.

[Falcon X]

But I think he did a fine a job on the other stuff.

Look this is going to go nowhere seeing many of you are polarized against him.

[CP5670]

I am quite fine with him; he may not be academically brilliant, but he has been getting the policies right for the most part.

[Stryke 9]

Not really. In the SotU speech, he went over many things that I'm personally in favor of, though I wish he woulda given more support to and am suspicious of his motives in. He fell flat on those.

[Falcon X]

Really?  What you think we're going to invade Africa now because we're giving them aide?  The reason why that continent has gone to hell is because noone has tried to influence/help it out.

[Bobboau]

I think he's talking more about the fule cell cars and stuff like that (wich I too am fully in suport of)

[Stryke 9]

I think he was just making a weak staba at being insulting, Bob.

[Falcon X]

Weak stab?  Nah.  Being sarcastic is more like it.