[Flipside]

It's important from Bush's point of view that he stays on the right side of the judicial system. A lot of his more controversial rulings met resistance there and he wants to try and stamp that out before it happens again.

As for the whole minority rights thing, all I say is that you chose to be Christian, or chose to be Muslim etc, and you live by those rules and no-one has the right to tell you to be something else, so if someone 'chooses' to be gay, don't dictate their rules to them.

[redmenace]

Defining mariage between a man and a woman doesn't prevent them from being gay. It only prevents them from marrying

[Flipside]

Yes, but it won't stop there, I can assure you.

The whole general attitude towards homosexuality in the section of the America public that voted republican seems to be that they shouldn't exist and that they are only being put up with till a decent excuse can be thought of to get rid of them.

Anyway, that's no one persons fault, and I should really have saved my comment for a more topical thread, if a thread like that crops up again, I'll be happy to state my case, but we'd better not start debating in this one

[Liberator]

I can't speak for everyone.  But for myself I can say that I don't hate homosexual people, despite what you may have intimated from other things that I have said.  I do however despise the behavior and wish that they would see the error of their ways.

[redmenace]

Originally posted by Flipside
Yes, but it won't stop there, I can assure you.

The whole general attitude towards homosexuality in the section of the America public that voted republican seems to be that they shouldn't exist and that they are only being put up with till a decent excuse can be thought of to get rid of them.

Anyway, that's no one persons fault, and I should really have saved my comment for a more topical thread, if a thread like that crops up again, I'll be happy to state my case, but we'd better not start debating in this one

I, for one would be scared if that were the case. We would have another holocaust on out hands. However, I really doubt that the midwest and south east would be willing to put their support behind such an act. I should also point out that oregon also passed a gay marriage ban on Nov. 2 and they are not republican by a long shot.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator
I can't speak for everyone.  But for myself I can say that I don't hate homosexual people, despite what you may have intimated from other things that I have said.  I do however despise the behavior and wish that they would see the error of their ways.

Maybe you have that opinion, but that doesn't make it right or just to force it upon the population.  If a leader was elected in the US who decided mosques were dangerous to the state and outlawed them, would you accept it?

 Because if you believe both religion and sexual orientation are a choice (and many other things, of course), then you can't damage one without allowing - in principle - the damaging of the other.  And if you don't accept the latter is a choice, then you have no valid argument that doesn't involve eugenics.

The principles that the US has - that any country has - are like a rock, but the more you chip away at them, the more you risk that rock crumbling and collapsing.