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Offline aldo_14

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on: February 25, 2005, 04:33:00 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4299609.stm

Sorry for the not-entirely-explanatory title, was the first thing that came into my head.  There's a glimmer of hope here - not much, but more than we've had in years - and yet people do something like this.

And next we'll probably see Israeli tanks moving back into Palestinian areas, and then suicide bombers in response, and then it'll go on and on.  I hope I'm wrong, but it's what I expect.
 

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Reply #1 on: February 25, 2005, 04:40:43 pm
I highly doubt that if either Israel or Palestine are really and firmly committed (which I still doubt) to ending this violence that they will retaliate to this. Hopefully the Palestinians will put a crackdown on this, so that Israeli tanks won't have to.

This just sucks. :doubt:
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Reply #2 on: February 25, 2005, 06:11:37 pm
Ironically enough: Russia considering weapons sale to PA - "Lavrov: PA leadership has proven ability to keep situation under control."

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Offline Grey Wolf

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Reply #3 on: February 25, 2005, 06:09:05 pm
No offense, Sandwich, but I'm considering writing off the entire area as irredeemable.

EDIT: Let's do the time warp again....
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Reply #4 on: February 25, 2005, 06:17:03 pm
And so it goes on...:blah:
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Reply #5 on: February 25, 2005, 06:13:55 pm
I'm not going to get into the same old discussion here, at least not while the bodies are still fresh and in the streets, but many countries sell weapons to Israel, and it is responsible for at least as many ciivlian casualties as Hamas & Co.

Very stupid move, this bombing. It always sucks when innocents suffer needlessly.
 

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Reply #6 on: February 25, 2005, 06:41:50 pm
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Very stupid move, this bombing. It always sucks when innocents suffer needlessly.


Only thing I have to say has to do with "collateral damage" (a term which I don't like all that much either) vs. "specifically targetted". :hopping:

Anyway, this article has more details, and will undoubtably be updated more frequently.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #7 on: February 25, 2005, 06:37:34 pm
Russias arming Syria, Iran and now the PA is because of Putins ongoing war with the Oligarchs, 7 of which are jewish and a few currently reside in Israel, I believe theres even an Israeli tv show about them.

Oh and I'd put aside any hopes for peace for the next few decades, the mid east is probably the most important bit of real estate in the world at the minute and for the next wee while and is going to be centre stage for a bit yet.
 

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Reply #8 on: February 25, 2005, 06:48:08 pm
*sticks with BBC* No offence.
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Reply #9 on: February 26, 2005, 09:51:30 am
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Only thing I have to say has to do with "collateral damage" (a term which I don't like all that much either) vs. "specifically targetted". :hopping:

 


The problem is that more die as collateral damage than do from being specifically targeted (in this situation); so it sort of balances out.  Either way innocent people die, so it's all bad.
 

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Reply #10 on: February 26, 2005, 06:34:25 pm
People are so stupid... :blah:
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Reply #11 on: February 26, 2005, 11:29:31 pm
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The problem is that more die as collateral damage than do from being specifically targeted (in this situation); so it sort of balances out.


That's one way to look at it, if you're wanting to play the numbers game. I tend to look at it from most courts' point of view, where they try to determine intent when passing judgement.

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Either way innocent people die, so it's all bad.


On this, at least, we agree. :blah:
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
  

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Reply #12 on: February 28, 2005, 07:40:09 am
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That's one way to look at it, if you're wanting to play the numbers game. I tend to look at it from most courts' point of view, where they try to determine intent when passing judgement.
 


The problem is that 'the  other side' won't always share the same point of view about, well, anything.  Which is the root of pretty much all human conflict, I guess.
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