[SadisticSid]

I went to see this on Wednesday at the cinema - a bloody brilliant film about the final days of the war inside Hitler's Berlin bunker. I don't know whether the drama preserved the historical accuracy of "Inside Hitler's Bunker", the book on which it was based, but it captured that feeling of utter hopelessness for those last key Nazi figures that survived until the very end. Completely unromanticised, graphic and deep - I'd advise anyone with an interest in WW2 to go and see it, especially those who might be tired of seeing all the documentaries and dramas from the Allies' point of view.

[n00by]

Already watched it (even two times) - quite good, actually. Didn't expect that, to be honest. A must see if you're interested in WWII (IMHO).

[Nuke]

when did this come out? why havent i seen it? got a torrent?

[Col. Fishguts]

Came out sometimes this winter, and it's really good IMO. Bruno Ganz (a well known stage player in Switzerland) plays Hitler so authenticly, it's frightening.

The script is based on Albert Speer's notes, IIRC.

[mitac]

It was in cinemas here last fall. Have yet to see it, though it received quite good reviews.

Ganz himself was frightened by his own acting, as he said in an interview. The similarity to Hitler struck him.

[vyper]

Nuke, google it - it's been out long enough.

"file name" filetype:torrent

[Nuke]

i dont have time to google everything that intrests me. you see i have this thing called a job.

[Setekh]

Hmmm, is it really that good (worth seeing twice)? I have some free movie tickets left over from last year that are going to expire next month, and want to take some of my friends to watch something... I'll put that on the shortlist if I can find it in the cinema.

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by Col. Fishguts
Came out sometimes this winter, and it's really good IMO. Bruno Ganz (a well known stage player in Switzerland) plays Hitler so authenticly, it's frightening.

The script is based on Albert Speer's notes, IIRC.

This is what I don't get, and what is ultimately putting me off. The pre-conceptions people have about Hitler. You didn't know him, how do you know he plays him "authenticly"? Do you base your entire knowledge of Hitler on what the winners of the war wrote, or the few source mute videos of him that are lying around and thus you're ready to say "I know that man, this actor is just like him"?

Reason why I don't feel like seeing the movie (as great as it may be) is because of the fact that there's more than 95% chance it's a perversion of what really happened. After all, winners write history. With a saying like that being commonly acceptable by everyone, you know most of the "history" that depcits the "bad guys" is going to be pure bull****.

Movies like this, and Saving Private Ryan and Thin Red Line and all that garbage people have been making for ages should come with an extension to the already famous "Based on real events", with the following add-on "Based on real events, but we put a ****load of lies for the dramatic effect in good measure too, and some of the main story actually may not be true, because the producer who was shelling out money was coincidentally [insert any persecuted people during WW2], so we had to change a little this or a little that to his/her satisfaction".

The most famous WW2 movie in the last decade was Saving Private Ryan and it was made by STEVEN SPIELBERG (a jew for those of you who don't know). What a fantastic glimpse into the objective thought. Oh and you should check out Schindler's List as well, made by yours truly mk2. I'm just waiting for a hat-trick myself. Oops, too late. Band of Brothers.

Again, the movie might be a masterpiece as far as films go, but please try not to ever say "authentic" again. You don't know it, and I could bet neither did the actor/director.

/rant

Now it's time for the

a) You're one of those people who wears tinfoil hats aren't you?
b) You racist.
c) My grandpa fought in WW2, how dare you!

comments (god I hope not).

Also, I liked Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers (BoB is actually my favorite miniseries ever). They're good movies/series. But nothing beyond that.


Edit: Also when I went to imdb to see if Spielberg really was the Jew I thought him to be, I found this little gem.

Jurassic Park IV (2006) (pre-production) (executive producer)

The man just doesn't know when to quit.

[Deepblue]

Best WWII movie I have watched recently is Life is Beautiful, an Italian film. A very excellent film.

[Nuke]

schindlers list kicked ass, i saw it that time they showed it on bps.

[Mefustae]

Haven't gotten around to seeing Downfall yet, but if it is based on Albert Speer's notes, i'm a little wary on the accuracy. I mean, Speer was a complete pratt, a lying, manipulating pratt, there's no other way to put it. Speer was one of Hitler's closest friends, the Architect of the New Berlin, and as Minister of Munitions, kept the war going two years longer than it should have, and yet he managed to get only 20 years at Nuremberg! Historians only recently managed to ascertain his true role in the Third Reich, so i'm just a little curious about where they got these 'notes'...

...Hmmm, the best War movie i've ever seen isn't even a war movie at all, The Pianist. Beautifully made and acted, it really goes the extra mile to show an uncompromisingly explicit view of Germany's "foray" into Poland. Sure, you might be one for the action and heart racing feel of movies like Saving Private Ryan, but if you haven't seen the Pianist, go and get it NOW...

...Oh, and BlackDove, with that little rant you've got there (which i must say is totally true), i'm REALLY surprised you haven't mentioned the absolute worst of all War movies, like Pearl Harbour (DAMN that movie was crap), the kind of movies that take an historical event and Hollywood-ize it, turning a major moment in history into a B quality Action Movie...

[DaBrain]

I won't see this movie.

Here in gemany you have to learn EVERYTHING about the WWII in school. I can't stand any more of that. Everything concerning the WWII, movies, games, books, just bores me.
I don't see why germany lives so much in the past. Of course what happend was one of the darkest chaptes in the world history, but making everyone here remember that won't make it any better.

The germans lost their sense of nationality. Most americans are proud to be amercian. The french people are very proud to be french. But nobdy is proud to be german. What kind of country is that?

Most Nazis are dead, or nearly hundred years old. Our kids should learn more about other nations history rather than focusing on the terrible past of our country.

Don't understand me wrong, it's important not to forget what happened, but not if you loose your future perspective.
Most nations have some black chapters in their history, but they overcame them.

[kode]

Originally posted by Nuke
schindlers list kicked ass, i saw it that time they showed it on bps.

but when are they going to do a movie on Wallenberg is what I'm wondering. I mean, he did save about 100 000 jews.

[Andreas]

BlackDove: My thoughts exactly.
DaBrain: Even though I'm not German (if I were, I would be damn proud to be a one), I understand and completely agree with you there. I mean, 60 years have passed since that, isn't it time to move on? I myself am very interested in German history and culture, especially 18th century Prussia, and I'm studying German language in school right now, as well. Though I'm not too good in it, yet.

[EtherShock]

Originally posted by Nuke
schindlers list kicked ass, i saw it that time they showed it on bps.

Schindler's List makes me sad.

People should have to learn about their country's dark times/mistakes. Every generation should learn of our ancestor's stupid mistakes, and the next should learn about ours, but yes, dwelling over them is no good. You have to move on eventually. I had nothing to do with slavery. There's nothing I can do about it, so leave me out of it. That was my ancestors! Actually, my family didn't come to America until the 20th century, but you see my point?

History is biased. It is either written by the winners, or the writers are a "fan" of one team. However, there is way too much history to learn from your education alone. That is why you must learn to educate yourself, and don't forget, history is written every day.

There are three sides to every story: person A's side, person B's side, and the truth.

People also have to keep in mind while watching movies that it's just a movie! Too often, people take movies as gospel. The most recent example of this I can think of is Passion of the Christ. (Oh looky, I made a pun.) Just like history, it's an interpretation, mostly the director's interpretation of what really happened. The only people that really know are the ones that were there, and with enough recounts of events, you can cut down to the truth, so you best tap those resources while they're still around, regardless of whose side they fought on or whatever.

[Nuke]

Originally posted by EtherShock

Schindler's List makes me sad.

People should have to learn about their country's dark times/mistakes. Every generation should learn of our ancestor's stupid mistakes, and the next should learn about ours, but yes, dwelling over them is no good. You have to move on eventually. I had nothing to do with slavery. There's nothing I can do about it, so leave me out of it. That was my ancestors! Actually, my family didn't come to America until the 20th century, but you see my point?

History is biased. It is either written by the winners, or the writers are a "fan" of one team. However, there is way too much history to learn from your education alone. That is why you must learn to educate yourself, and don't forget, history is written every day.

There are three sides to every story: person A's side, person B's side, and the truth.

People also have to keep in mind while watching movies that it's just a movie! Too often, people take movies as gospel. The most recent example of this I can think of is Passion of the Christ. (Oh looky, I made a pun.) Just like history, it's an interpretation, mostly the director's interpretation of what really happened. The only people that really know are the ones that were there, and with enough recounts of events, you can cut down to the truth, so you best tap those resources while they're still around, regardless of whose side they fought on or whatever.

every story has an infinite number of sides, therefore all sides are worthless and have no meaning (worth/infinity=nothing). as for truth, it is a variable, not a constant, if truth was a constant we coulnt reasonably argue against it. your vorlon philosophy kinda goes against what you said about taking movies as gospel . you might want to give nihilisim a go. i pretty much agree with the rest of what you said though, history is biased. so it is up to everyone to look at history from as many angles as possible. sure watching one movie only shows one perspective, thats why i watch as many movies about a subject as i can.

one can know a great deal about this phenomenon by compairing war movies of the 40s and 50s with the war movies of today. clearly the older movies (especially the ones that were made during or immediately after the war), are usually more full of propaganda. it takes a half century of chilling out before historic accuracy returns. movies like spr and shindlers list may not be totally accurate but they do help us understand the horrors of war.

Originally posted by DaBrain
The germans lost their sense of nationality. Most americans are proud to be amercian. The french people are very proud to be french. But nobdy is proud to be german. What kind of country is that?

a smart one, one thats learned from its mistakes. too much national pride tends to cause people to outgroup the rest of humanity. people in america, being overly patriotic, obviously dont understand what your country has learned. national pride is also national arrogance. the most war torn places on earth also the places where people are so proud of what they are that they will kill anyone thats not them.

[EtherShock]

Currently, a lot of us are too proud to be American. A little pride in one's country is good, but too much and well, you've seen the result.

[FireCrack]

I saw this movie a few months back.




"You're coming wiht me!"

"I'm not going anywhere!!!" *Bang*!!!




Best movie moment ever, it's worth seeing just for that.