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Offline aldo_14

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Reply #40 on: July 29, 2005, 04:43:49 pm
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Originally posted by Mongoose
That's strange, aldo...according to this source that I saw posted elsewhere, the built-in search bar has several engines available, similar to Firefox's, and Google is the default choice.  To anyone saying that this beta is faster than Firefox, this source also says that it was substantially slower at loading most pages.  I will agree that Firefox is slightly pokey when you first install it (although it was still better than IE on the two machines I have it installed on), with a few simple tweaks, it leaves IE in the dust.  Unless anyone can give me any reason to give up the amazing browser I'm using and go back to the browser that frustrated the hell out of me just about every time I tried to use it, I'm sticking with the fox. :)


Well....
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/29/scoble_email/
[q]How do you turn a bug in a limited-circulation beta used by just a few thousand people into a full-blown PR crisis that entertains millions?

Simple. You just hand a keyboard to Robert Scoble.

The news that some users noticed their Google and Yahoo! toolbars vanish in IE7 soon reached the "celebrity blogger" in Microsoft's marketing department yesterday - and he flew into action. He began to paint a picture that grew more confusing and contradictory as the day turned to night.

At first Scoble confirmed there were problems with "older versions of Yahoo". "Yahoo's version 5.6 had an issue but the current version (6.1.1) is working fine," he wrote on his weblog.

But he soon contradicted that in comments later in the evening.

"We have not seen any problems yet. But we're only a few testers working afterhours here," he wrote at 10:24PM yesterday in between repeated attacks on the integrity of the media.

He was on a roll.

This morning he was even more empathetic.

"We have not seen any issues with the latest Google or Yahoo toolbar on IE 7 beta 1. Can I say that clearly enough?" he wrote [7/29/05; 1:24:07 PM] in the comments section of his blog.

And on his weblog frontpage, Scoble wrote:

"I never saw the problem that Andrew said I had. I don't have any problems with either Yahoo or Google's toolbars on my machines. Your mileage may vary. I have no idea what Andrew's talking about."

Perhaps we can jog his memory.

A reader has stepped forward to volunteer this email. We've simply removed his name. It was sent yesterday evening Pacific Time, and this morning our source gave us permission to use it.
[q]
    Subject: RE: IE7 nukes Google, Yahoo! search

    Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:31:42 -0700

    From: "Robert Scoble"

    To: [zapped]

    Yup, trying to find out what's up on that one. It did it for me too. Wiped them out.

    Robert[/q]

Oops.

Much has been made of blogger ethics, with conferences set up to discuss the legal implications of corporate blogging, charters and codes of conduct drawn up, and even honor tags suggested. But one ethic should hardly need to be spelled out.

You try and tell the truth.

Is this the end of the road for Scoble's Redmond adventure? Will professionals handle these situations from now on? The fellow seems to have no shortage of enemies on the campus, ranging from PR staff to technical liaisons, and this gives them plenty more ammunition. It's not the first time Scoble's indiscretions have got his colleagues into trouble. Or even the second. Bullying small web publications, while maintaining an elaborate fiction, is a new step for the blogger however, and in our experience Microsoft's PR professionals have never resorted to bullying.

Perhaps the humane solution to the gaffe-prone Scoble - one involving reels and reels of duct tape - will suffice. ®[/q]
 

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Reply #41 on: July 30, 2005, 03:02:13 am
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!


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Offline IceFire

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Reply #42 on: July 31, 2005, 12:20:42 pm
I'm really dismayed at a lack of progress in supporting the standards.  Not that its really surprising...but a flashy new interface is not going to make me switch back.  An excellent browser experience with user customizability, useable features, and security are going to make me want to use the browser.

IE6 no longer has this...IE7 doesn't seem to have this.  Why is it that a small group of guys working for the open source community "get it" while a bunch of highly payed "professionals" don't.
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Offline BlackDove

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Reply #43 on: July 31, 2005, 01:02:01 pm
Something to do with it being a job as opposed to a hobby?
 

Offline Kamikaze

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Reply #44 on: August 01, 2005, 05:32:53 pm
Science alone of all the subjects contains within itself the lesson of the danger of belief in the infallibility of the greatest teachers in the preceding generation . . .Learn from science that you must doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman
 

Offline IceFire

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Reply #45 on: August 01, 2005, 05:42:16 pm
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Good news for web designers:

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx

Progress!  That is encouraging.  I'd really love to see 100% compatibility and complete duplication between browsers when it comes to the basic HTML stuff.  Even basic stuff with IE6 vs everything else (Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, and Safari) is sometimes quite a headache.
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Offline vyper

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Reply #46 on: August 01, 2005, 06:27:48 pm
Interesting, but I still think there's a long way to go. As one of the comments points out, this won't fix problems for people using win98, etc, who won't have I.E7.

Sure, M$ have discontinued support for that OS but if they expect users to stay loyal to their software they'll have to implement some sort of legacy support for the software that relies on their unsupported OS.
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Offline IceFire

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Reply #47 on: August 01, 2005, 10:35:35 pm
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Originally posted by vyper
Interesting, but I still think there's a long way to go. As one of the comments points out, this won't fix problems for people using win98, etc, who won't have I.E7.

Sure, M$ have discontinued support for that OS but if they expect users to stay loyal to their software they'll have to implement some sort of legacy support for the software that relies on their unsupported OS.

They won't...but their competitors will.  Thats where the monopoly shows its weakness.
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Offline Sandwich

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Reply #48 on: August 02, 2005, 11:18:59 am
Good to hear that what they are doing, they're doing properly.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

Offline Descenterace

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Reply #49 on: August 02, 2005, 12:55:07 pm
I'm wondering if I should turn the tables on MS; now they've finally decided to sort out their browser's CSS and HTML rendering, maybe I should make my web server ignore requests from IE simply because it's IE...

Similar to the way IE seems to have ignored web standards (such as those my website rigidly adheres to) up until now.
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Offline ChronoReverse

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Reply #50 on: August 03, 2005, 06:33:42 pm
Still not standards compliant.  In fact they're purposely not working on that since it would break a whole lot of sites including their own MSDN databases.  Rather unfortunate.

At least the IE team was resurrected and we'll have a hope of a better IE.  And the PNG bug is fixed.



Firefox is slow right now.  It also has a severe memory.  Granted it's fixed in Deer Park, but that isn't for general use yet.  I still use FF over IE6 but I hope FF 1.5 gets realized sometime soon.



[edit] Okay, did the database break while I was gone?  I don't remember having over a thousand posts.[/edit]
 

Offline Taristin

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Reply #51 on: August 03, 2005, 06:48:42 pm
They add up quick. >.>
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Offline IceFire

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Reply #52 on: August 03, 2005, 11:40:02 pm
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Originally posted by ChronoReverse
Still not standards compliant.  In fact they're purposely not working on that since it would break a whole lot of sites including their own MSDN databases.  Rather unfortunate.

At least the IE team was resurrected and we'll have a hope of a better IE.  And the PNG bug is fixed.



Firefox is slow right now.  It also has a severe memory.  Granted it's fixed in Deer Park, but that isn't for general use yet.  I still use FF over IE6 but I hope FF 1.5 gets realized sometime soon.



[edit] Okay, did the database break while I was gone?  I don't remember having over a thousand posts.[/edit]

Severe memory what?  Useage?  Its pitiful compared to how much IE actually sucks up...you just don't know about it because its integrated so deeply into the core of the OS.
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Offline DeepSpace9er

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Reply #53 on: August 04, 2005, 06:35:31 am
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Firefox is slow and doesn't work with a few websites, but the reason it is far superior to IE is the adblock plugin available for it


Ive got Norton Internet Security, i only use IE6, and i never get a single popup. And if i do so happen to get one, SP2's pop-up blocker stops it. Norton is the best thing since sliced bread.. i swear by it.
  

Offline ChronoReverse

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Reply #54 on: August 04, 2005, 10:45:51 am
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Originally posted by IceFire

Severe memory what?  Useage?  Its pitiful compared to how much IE actually sucks up...you just don't know about it because its integrated so deeply into the core of the OS.


Eh.

Firefox has an acknowledged (and fixed in Deer Park) bug where memory isn't released.  Every time you load an image, it gets cached and then doesn't ever get removed.  This is with unmodified builds of Firefox 1.0.x.

It also has a smaller memory leak (which doesn't seem to occur all the time like all tough memory leaks) where if you leave the window open (and with tabs usually) it'll slowly accumulate more memory.  To the degree of over 600MB after a couple of days.



As for IE, the only thing that matters is how much memory it uses over the system nominal.  In that regard it's easy to tell how much it uses and Firefox with the memory bugs uses significantly more.
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