[Zarax]

I know you're a bunch of FireFox lovers, so you won't believe me...


Anyways, for the unbiased among us here's some good news:

IE7 Rocks.

It's WAY faster (while still in beta), the loading speed is even better than firefox, I've never seen some website loading that fast, not to mention the app itself.

It's got better security for sure, with an integrated antìphishing feature... Spyware tests will follow.

The interface has been improved and is much more streamlined, while tabbed browsing integration could be better imho.

You can sign for the beta at http://connect.microsoft.com
If Windows Vista will be more or less at this level I think it will be a definite improvement over XP.

Microsoft got serious on IE again, the second browser race has started.

[aldo_14]

Are you one of the unbiased among us, then?

[Descenterace]

Originally posted by Zarax

Anyways, for the unbiased among us here's some good news:

IE7 Rocks.

The truly unbiased won't give a damn either way, since there are plenty good browsers out there and unbiased (but clued) people generally choose the one that does what they need it to.

What you really mean is, 'for those of us who are too lazy to go looking for a decent browser instead of just using the crap Microsoft provides by default'.

If IE7 is still integrated into the OS, it is still crap by definition. If they've made it totally seperate, I may switch back to IE.

[Zarax]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Are you one of the unbiased among us, then?

It's not up to me to say that, I'm most likely biased on the opposite side but anyways that was more to invite people to test the thing themselves that doing any real propaganda, something that would be wasted here because "Micro$oft is evil"...

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Descenterace

If IE7 is still integrated into the OS, it is still crap by definition. If they've made it totally seperate, I may switch back to IE.

Only if you have XP and above, though (IIRC).

Fortunately I couldn't give a **** about it; I switched to Firefox because IE6 (I think) kept crashing, ****ing up, etc, and have no intention of switching back.  Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

[Zarax]

Originally posted by Descenterace


The truly unbiased won't give a damn either way, since there are plenty good browsers out there and unbiased (but clued) people generally choose the one that does what they need it to.

What you really mean is, 'for those of us who are too lazy to go looking for a decent browser instead of just using the crap Microsoft provides by default'.

If IE7 is still integrated into the OS, it is still crap by definition. If they've made it totally seperate, I may switch back to IE.

It is separate in XP, in fact it uses a different codebase as it's more a Longhorn backporting than something derived from IE6.

May I remember you that if it wasn't for Microsoft you'll be most likely still paying for your browser?

[BlackDove]

Too little, too much bull****, too late.

FireFox works, and since I was forced to use it due to the IE crapness, I see no reason to go back.

It's not like I was waiting for IE to get better. I was just looking for something that works. I found it. The End.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Zarax


It is separate in XP, in fact it uses a different codebase as it's more a Longhorn backporting than something derived from IE6.

May I remember you that if it wasn't for Microsoft you'll be most likely still paying for your browser?

And if it wasn't for the Model T, we probably wouldn't be driving mass-produced cars - it doesn't mean we all want to drive a Model T, though, or that it was even a good car.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Zarax
I'm most likely biased on the opposite side

And bears most likely s**t in the woods

Originally posted by Zarax
May I remember you that if it wasn't for Microsoft you'll be most likely still paying for your browser?

Are you seriously dumb enough to believe that was because of some philanthropic effort on the behalf of MS?

MS entered the browsers wars because back then it looked like the internet was going to take over from the OS and become the most important thing a computer could do. Looking at it now it's obvious that was a load of crap but MS didn't understand the internet for a long time and when they did realise it was important they leap to all kinds of wrong conclusions about it (Deliberate attempts to poison Java because they saw it as a competitor was another).

IE was simply MS's attempt to gain a stranglehold on the internet and prevent it resulting in an OS neutral brave new world they feared. The fact that they were paranoid about it doesn't mean that they didn't attempt to corner the browser market purely on the grounds that it was good for MS to do so.

[Flaser]

It's a good thing MS seems to wake up.

After all these years we want WORK! DEVELOPMENT!...and definitly NO MORE BLOATWARE!
I don't care if you can pack a million features into your program - I only need 5-8% of that - and would be glad if I could choose to NOT INSTALL or ASSIGN RESOURCES to the rest.

All that said it's a GOOD thing that MS is WORKING (remember folks the oxymoron thread? MS works?) on something that's aim is to dethrone Firefox.
Look's like the open-source turned out to be something quite potent and we finally have COMPETITION.

Of course it won't be like any competition before, as on one side we have the megacorporation that wants profit and its consumers back, while on the other side we have programmers who want software that works.

I don't care if MS's new OS and browser will suck - I can always go the 'nix/'nux way.
However if they DO make something good, that will be the best damn thing since Windows NT.

[vyper]

Two words regarding I.E7: User Agent.

Edit: I love how that website doesn't render properly in FF or Deer Park. The proprietary(sp?) code for the header gradient makes it even funnier.

[WMCoolmon]

Huh. Well, if Windows 2000 worked would install on my SATA drive, I might try it out. But it won't, soooo looks like the only reason I'll be using this browser is if they make a Linux version.

[CP5670]

Firefox is slow and doesn't work with a few websites, but  the reason it is far superior to IE is the adblock plugin available for it. Until IE has something comparable, I won't be bothering with it.

[Col. Fishguts]

Originally posted by Flaser
After all these years we want WORK! DEVELOPMENT!..

"I have 4 words for you...Developers!, Developers!, Developers!, Developers!"



on topic: I really don't care about IE.

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Zarax
It is separate in XP, in fact it uses a different codebase as it's more a Longhorn backporting than something derived from IE6.

It HAS to be integrated at some level, since so many MS apps include HTML rendering.

[vyper]

Originally posted by CP5670
Firefox is slow and doesn't work with a few websites, but  the reason it is far superior to IE is the adblock plugin available for it. Until IE has something comparable, I won't be bothering with it.

The only problems I've ever come across with FF is where websites use M$ specific code. Which is just poor design.

[Fineus]

Originally posted by Col. Fishguts


"I have 4 words for you...Developers!, Developers!, Developers!, Developers!"

Aren't you supposed to say that about 35 times?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by ZylonBane
It HAS to be integrated at some level, since so many MS apps include HTML rendering.

http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=164302257
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1831451,00.asp
Shows evidence of Os integration between Vista and IE7.

Offhand, I think previous IEs were released for win95/98 to xp, so something for only Vista & XP Service Pack 2 would seem to be even more tightly integrated to specific API features, not less.  If there's any decoupling, it's presumably in the sense of using middleware / wrappers around any Os-specific differences rather than direct access.

EDIT; Firefox has a bit of a large memory footprint and sluggish startup (both of which are as much down to not being shoved in as part of the OS as anything else), but its security is great (both in terms of malware and also pop up blocking, etc), tabbed browsing (IMO) kicks arse and I've never, ever had it crash.  Plus, because it's OS, if IE7 actually adds any useful or novel functionality, it'll be rapidly implemented in Firefox.

[General Freak]

I won't be saying anything until I've tested IE7. Signing up now...

EDIT: Damn! IE crashed on me while I was signing in.

[aldo_14]

sibling rivalry?