[BlackDove]

Don't know how many saw.

If you didn't, consider yourself lucky.

Man what a piece of crap. All of it.

SEED was good, Destiny was complete and utter trash.

So say we all. Or at least, me.

[Liberator]

I haven't yet, my preferred source is about a week behind, but they make some quality subs.

Spoiler:

I am disappointed that Shinn hasn't swapped sides yet, but I suspect that even if he doesn't, the Minerva ends up on the same side as the Archangel.

[SadisticSid]

With that last episode I summarily wiped all traces of it from my hard drive, and smashed my DVDs of episodes 1-37. I was hoping for one of the AA tards to get killed or at least ****ed up a bit, but they both survived and without even a scratch. Stupid. It was just morbid curiosity that kept me watching this, the worst anime I've seen.

Yes I'm a bit miffed btw

[BlackDove]

Same here.

Abysmal. It started out well and it could've gone places, but then they just drove it into a wall, and kept smashing into said wall.

Even the Animation Director (IIRC) posted a condemnation note on his blog, swearing that Mai-Otome (Mai-Hime's sequel) will be NOTHING like the trainwreck GSD was, and he essentially told everyone who was to blame to go **** themselves.

Edit: Also great idea on Burning the DVD's (not with a burner, but with fire) and deleting files, time for me to do that, thanks for the reminder.

[delta_7890]

I stopped watching Destiny half-way through.  Glad I made that choice.  SEED was great, though things began to fall apart at the end (pretty much around the time Kira got Freedom).  It tears me up inside to see Destiny having ended up so horrible.  It is a cheap, cheap marketing gimmick.  That's all it is.  A nonsensical plot, god-like characters and mobile suits, uninspired mecha designs.  Terrible.  There are already rumors of a third series being set in the CE universe on its way.  I pray to all that is holy that this does NOT come to pass.

Thanks, Fukuda, for ruining my most beloved anime franchise.  I am sure a special place in hell will be reserved just for you.

[Genryu]

In my opinion, Seed was good at least : casualties abounding in the last battle, no one and nothing escaped unscated, heroic acts.... In Destiny : nothing coming from the clyne faction has a scratch on it, nearly nobody died, rey does a 180° so fast it nearly broke my neck watching it, shinn nearly killing luna, I mean, WTF here ? At least, it's rumored that the next Gundam series won't take place in the Ce, which isn't that bad after the trainwreck that is Destiny. Waht irks me even more is the fact that series began well, but managed to **** up nearly all the way.

[Turambar]

my favorite gundam was Gundam 8th MS team
that one was awesome, great animation, story, everything
too bad it was only 12 episodes, and i cant find it anywhere!

Edit: THis was where its at

[delta_7890]

Hear hear.  08th MS Team is one of the finest examples of Gundam, if you get past the incredibly lame love story.

But then, it's pretty much a standard in Gundam that all love stories will be terribly written.

[Flaser]

I still stand firm that the best damn 'war-story' in Gundam is the original in movie format. - That is from a storytelling point.
(Tomino could cut out a load of crap the marketing guys forced onto him)
War is hell - that's the sum.

For sheer execution MS0083 takes the crown - best mecha and fight coreography, and it showed both sides in a human and sympathetic way, that you could relate to.
MS0083 Stardust was more about being in war, than war in general - so while the message is the same - 'War is hell' - it telled more by puting - that will burn YOU - a personal message and perpective into the equation.

MS0080 War in a Pocket takes the 'drama' avard; and best damn graphics award of it time award too.
It wasn't really a war story in the classical Gundam sense, it was more of MS83's personal rendition interleaved with the motif of growing up....and of course 'War is hell'.

When compared to these I find 8th MS a 'bit' lackluster - it's too vauge. Simply put Shiro Amada is the only one who could convey the personal motif here.
However the execution was lackluster in that area.
The love story could have been well executed - however it was weak, and as a result Shiro's turn over doesn't fit the general structure.
(MS0083 also suffered from a dicthomy (following GP01 and GP02's destruction) - the most probable reason is that both shows suffered a take over in director. (8th MS's original director died during the filming).)
So from a mere storytelling point I find 8th MS weaker than the original or 83.
(While 80 hadn't had so much scope to begin with.)

SEED was a very nice re-rendition of the original story, and the main reason why I liked it was the bravery of the director to pull a pacifist turn.
Gundam has always been an anti-war war story, but so far it was never said that 'You can make a difference', which in out troubled times is a very potent and needed message.
My real gripe with SEED is the whole rendition of a Gundam squad - if they could just abandon the whole Gundam Wing mania of marketability with lotsa Gundams and pretty boys they could have prevented a whole lot of the stupidities that plagued the show.

Namely: SEED shined whenever only a single Gundam was present - and yes, the Archangles was in deep **** every once in a while.
If they had done proper damage to the ship and the Gundam, the show would have been a lot better.

Likewise - whenever the Red suits attacked the ship it was a mere excuse to show recycled footage over and over again, just like in Wing (worst G show ever).

For heaven's sake don't treat your suits - even Gudams - like jewel. GSeed kicked ass when the Strike was in depth of combat and kicking up mud.

Forget the pretty hq footage too.
I don't care if the footage won't be that shiny and uberpolished - I won't care as long as there is coreography, and plain and simple involvement in battle.

Watch the original series - we haven't seen the kind of mind blowing agility and cleverness Amuro showed with the Gundam in any other show. (Except for 8th MS and 0083)
That's what I lack...
...and whenever Kira was busy fighting 'mere' Goofs it retuned every once in a while.
That's what should have been the real standard to live up to.

[Gortef]

meh... I liked it (Destiny I mean).
Kept me entertained so it did the job it was supposed to do.

Spoiler:

Ending was left open again... didn't surprise me though.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Flaser
Likewise - whenever the Red suits attacked the ship it was a mere excuse to show recycled footage over and over again, just like in Wing (worst G show ever).

You forgot about G Gundam, then?

[Genryu]

G Gundam was supposed to be a Super Robot show. And if you consider it like one, it's a good story. if you consider it like the usual Gundam series, it's a crapload of ****.

[Turambar]

G Gundam was like DBZ with big robots

08th MS was like romeo and juliet with giant robots and explosions and a kickass end fight

and wing was entertaining

[redsniper]

I saw a couple episodes of 08th MS back in the day and I liked what I saw. SEED is about the only one I've ever watched much though. So far I like the characters a lot, the Archangel's captain is hardcore. Plus, having a giant knife to go with your giant robot is just plain cool.

[TrashMan]

Never watched Gundam..any of them...

Maby I should...

[Flaser]

Start with 0083 if you can't watch old animation, or handle whining teenagers.
Otherwise watch the movie trilogy of the original.
Alternativly 8th MS is also a good start.
War in a pocket - MS Gundam 0080 is good, but it won't give you too much insight into the story.

Char's Counterattack is the best damn Gundam movie that stands on its own - it's also a good introdutcion to the story if you want quick and dirty actions intersperesed with hardcore drama.
It's like a crash course.

Avoid Zeta, ZZ, and Victory like plague - they're long and lack the superb writting of the One Year War stories.

Zeta was said to be the best damn - well it had its moments but I was kinda disapointed.
I'm waiting until Tomino finishes his movie compilation and see if he's managed the same like what he did with the original.

For all Wing fans: I'm too tired to note all the reasons why I saw Wing as a  mediocre anime and a bad Gundam show.
However for the whole lot of you it may still hold dear memories as it was the first Gundam show to air in America or the first real mech show to hit the international viewers.

[BlackDove]

Wing wasn't mediocre, it was actually a very well done anime with a crap character development, but then again, that wasn't the point of the show, so it didn't damage it all that much.

I've written the reasons for and against a thousand times before, it comes out as "pretty good" considering the benefits and drawbacks.

And for crying out loud shorten your damn sig.