[Unknown Target]

Sorry to get back on topic (), but I'm just saying it would be bad for the global economy if GM tanked; think about it; they employ thousands of people in the US and in foreign countries; if those factories were shut down, all those people would lose their jobs. Losing their jobs means a flooded market, meaning not all of them get jobs, which means a lot of people won't have money to spend, which means that the rest of the people selling stuff won't get any money, which means that they'll start to loose money, etc.

It's aweful for the US, really bad for the world, imo. Because, another reason that the world would hit another major downspurt would be that the US economy, which is a major player in the world and heavily based in auto manufacturing, would take an enormous hit; it's impossible to say how big it would be, but it would be huge, so you have less US money going out to other countries.

As much as people on this board hate to admit it, the US economy is linked with everything, if something major happens to us, it'll affect other countries too.

[Taristin]

we'd get over it. And the US would find something it's more suited to...

[kode]

just because they'd kick the can wouldn't mean all those people would become unemployed. gm could just as well sell off parts of the company and slim the organization. I hear the chinese is interested in SAAB, for example.

[Polpolion]

Watch the language people, do not let this thread to be derailed into insults and eventually a flamewar.

it already is one.

not my fault.

Are you sure you're not referring to the 12-13 age group?

That's me. ( 13 )

US cars don't last nearly as long, get worse fuel economy, and handle less precisely.

american cars do suck

If you drove a honda you'd probably fall in love with it

My opinions would more than likely be changed to those types of things if I was old enough to drive, and if I knew anything about cars.

Untill then, I'm fine with blind patriotism.

[Unknown Target]

I think there should be a limit on how young you can be/how stupid you are to join this board. It might make thesizzler go away.

[Ford Prefect]

we'd get over it. And the US would find something it's more suited to...

Freedom factories!

[kode]

I think there should be a limit on how young you can be/how stupid you are to join this board. It might make thesizzler go away.

but how to enforce it?

Watch the language people, do not let this thread to be derailed into insults and eventually a flamewar.

it already is one.

not my fault.

Are you sure you're not referring to the 12-13 age group?

That's me. ( 13 )

US cars don't last nearly as long, get worse fuel economy, and handle less precisely.

american cars do suck

If you drove a honda you'd probably fall in love with it

My opinions would more than likely be changed to those types of things if I was old enough to drive, and if I knew anything about cars.

Untill then, I'm fine with blind patriotism.

good job admitting your ignorance. :up:

[BlackDove]

we'd get over it. And the US would find something it's more suited to...

Freedom factories!

That's the spirit!

[aldo_14]

Sorry to get back on topic (), but I'm just saying it would be bad for the global economy if GM tanked; think about it; they employ thousands of people in the US and in foreign countries; if those factories were shut down, all those people would lose their jobs. Losing their jobs means a flooded market, meaning not all of them get jobs, which means a lot of people won't have money to spend, which means that the rest of the people selling stuff won't get any money, which means that they'll start to loose money, etc.

It's aweful for the US, really bad for the world, imo. Because, another reason that the world would hit another major downspurt would be that the US economy, which is a major player in the world and heavily based in auto manufacturing, would take an enormous hit; it's impossible to say how big it would be, but it would be huge, so you have less US money going out to other countries.

As much as people on this board hate to admit it, the US economy is linked with everything, if something major happens to us, it'll affect other countries too.

Albeit if a US (car) company hits trouble, it'd probably be international operations that first got shut down rather than the US side, so it's arguably better (for international corps) for the company to die completely and let regional/national companies fill the gap, than to have a slow reduction of investment and employment.

[Fineus]

kode, thesizzler, UT and anyone else who feels like joining in.. stop it. Stop it before I start handing out the first monkeyings.

[Scuddie]

Oooo, can I have one?

I'll name him Bubbles .

[aldo_14]

Oooo, can I have one?

I'll name him Bubbles .

But will you follow Michael Jackson and be forever blowing Bubbles?

[Taristin]

Does michael call himself bubbles now?

[redmenace]

Frankly it is better to let GM take its course. Yes, those unemployed will be hurt. GM should be a reminder that the mistake of arogance and complacency comes at too high a price. But GM's demise will result in most of it being sold away to international interests, ie. The Chinese. Bailing them out is a mistake. It just signals to everyone else that they can **** around as well.

[Janos]

My opinions would more than likely be changed to those types of things if I was old enough to drive, and if I knew anything about cars.

Untill then, I'm fine with blind patriotism.

  Awesome man.

Seriously. If you don't drive any cars (compared to quite a few people in this thread alone who do), then your only chance is to cite research trying to prove some points (like fuel efficiency). As to how does it feel to drive car X, well, lol.

And blind patriotism is the most perverse form of patriotism there is. It's like turning the entire idea upside-down. Not to say it's not often also completely unfounded, reactionary and stubborn, blind to criticism.

lol redmenace omg
Frankly it is better to let GM take its course. Yes, those unemployed will be hurt. GM should be a reminder that the mistake of arogance and complacency comes at too high a price. But GM's demise will result in most of it being sold away to international interests, ie. The Chinese. Bailing them out is a mistake. It just signals to everyone else that they can **** around as well.

It's temporary unemployment. We're not talking about millions or tens of millions people all of sudden being completely without income.
Car market is big. Trained workforce + factories + know-how is just too big of a bone for any competing company, like Toyota, to miss. Propably people will buy what's left of GM in the case **** hits the fan.

[redmenace]

I understand all of that. Still, I simpathize with those that will loose their jobs even for a short time. GMs demise will not even be a blip on the radar. I making a big deal though, partly because I am afraid bush or congress will interfere.

[aldo_14]

Does michael call himself bubbles now?

The chimp was called Bubbles.  Unless he switched their names to avoid his debt liability.......

[Roanoke]

Korean cars have made quite a leap in quality and engineering in the last decade. Hyundai is consistently rated as one of the best cars for the value. If hyundai was smart, the Tiburon(Tuscani, or Coupe to you eurpeans/Asians) would be a v6 RWD car, and it would sell out of showrooms quicker than anything.

Except for Big Executive, Sports and Niche Cars RWD is pretty much dead, mores the pity. Odd, given a half decent RWD chassis will attract almost universal praise, but that's business.