[Charismatic]

Thanks. I am working on it. I am nowhere near a skilled FREDer though. I have yet to find a way to keep my wingmen alive without them bruised and jumping out in the first 2 minutes.

uh...
Anyways. Terrans and Vasudans trust eachother with their lives. As the NTF killed vasudans, the HOL killed terrans. As already stated; our two races have gone through too much to fall apart.

And someone tell me why would anyone come out and think 'what if the vasudans fired on terran refugees from capella for no reason whatsoever..' ? Why would they? No provolkation.. no reason. Hell we kept eachother alive all these years. Why..

If there's anything humanity has proven itself good at, it's self-destructing. I see no reason to assume the Vasudans are different; especially if one of the reasons behind the T-V war was the mishandling of a conversation....

Did :V: ever say what was said to start the war.. like what comunication went wrong?

[Ghostavo]

I thought it was "THE" conversation and not a conversation that got mishandled, whatever it was...

[Lone Knight]

Okay, let's not forget that the Vasudans always have reasoning behind their actions, unlike the Terrans. I don't think they'd just start butchering refugees for the Hell of it, when they know the refugees had nothing to do with it. It's just out of place.

[TrashMan]

Given tha fact that Terrans and Vasudans broke apart and fought in several other campaigns for far simpler reasons, I really don't see anything wrong with this.

[aldo_14]

I thought it was "THE" conversation and not a conversation that got mishandled, whatever it was...

Same point, surely?

[Nuclear1]

Given tha fact that Terrans and Vasudans broke apart and fought in several other campaigns for far simpler reasons, I really don't see anything wrong with this.

Any particular instance to back this up?

[Ghostavo]

I thought it was "THE" conversation and not a conversation that got mishandled, whatever it was...

Same point, surely?

Isn't the conversation some Vasudan social ritual or something like that?

[aldo_14]

I thought it was "THE" conversation and not a conversation that got mishandled, whatever it was...

Same point, surely?

Isn't the conversation some Vasudan social ritual or something like that?

Yep; point is, it would indicate the Vasudans can declare war on the grounds of a cultural misunderstanding that causes them offence.

[Nuclear1]

The Vasudan conversation and dialect is extremely complex. It depends mostly on the class of the speaker the person being spoken to, the distance to the Emperor, and various other technicalities. It seems that the Vasudans put extreme focus on social orders and rituals.

[wgemini]

uh...
Anyways. Terrans and Vasudans trust eachother with their lives. As the NTF killed vasudans, the HOL killed terrans. As already stated; our two races have gone through too much to fall apart.

And someone tell me why would anyone come out and think 'what if the vasudans fired on terran refugees from capella for no reason whatsoever..' ? Why would they? No provolkation.. no reason. Hell we kept eachother alive all these years. Why..

No matter the circumstances, every killing leaves a scar. Forgiveness is not an easy task for Terrans, I would imagine even more so for Vasudans. HOL aside, NTF pilots did fight side by side with Vasudans during the great war presumably (they were formerly Terran 6th fleet), didn't stop them from massacre Vasudan civilians. Terran population might even cheered them on.

I had no intention to say Vasudans would massacre Terran civilians in cold blood. They were simply worried that Terran population would overwhelm the Deneb system, tip the delicate political balance. Imagine how the Vasudan population would feel if the land vacated by slayed vasudans was given to the Terrans? However, crowd control is never an easy task and the Vasudans may not have any experience with it. Coupled with the fact that NTF agents were hard at work to create chaos and conflicts, the minute that Vasudans decide to blockade the node, the outcome is determined.