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Offline Flipside

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I thought metric was the scientific standard anyway, like Engineering?

 

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Exactly. That's why they had no business using it for anything to do with space exploration. :)
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LOL Thought so, same thing happened during the training exercises for D-Day landing, the British gave the Americans distances in feet, which were fed to offshore rocket boats. Due to the confusion, something like 4 Platoons of friendly Polish troops were wiped out.

The whole thing is based on Chemical measurements anyway iirc, 1 gramme is something like the weight of 10 Mole of Carbon or something?

 

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Actually, if I recall the situation, it was actually a piece of software from a contractor that was using the imperial measurements.  When the NASA engineers input the metric telemetry values, that's when things went belly-up.  I fully agree with that point, though; I don't see what imperial measurements were doing anywhere near a science-related field.  It made me chuckle this semester when the general chemistry class I'm taking as a side requirement for my physics major started off with a bunch of unit conversion problems, most of which involving imperial to SI somewhere along the line; as much as I say I enjoy working with the damn things, I was still wondering, "Wait...won't all these newbie chem majors compleely ignore the existence of the imperial system within a week or two?" :p

Edit: Actually, Flipside, one mole of Carbon-12 is exactly 12 grams; it's the standard for the periodic table.  The official SI standard for the kilogram is, believe it or not, a precise platinum-iridium alloy somewhere in France.  From what I remember, the meter is defined by the wavelength of a specific frequency of light, and the second by the distance light travels in 1/c seconds, so they're both intrinsically tied to the speed of light.  Then you have non-SI but still metric units, like the calorie, which is defined as the amount of heat necessary to raise the temperature of a gram of water by 1 degree Celsius (about 4.184 Joules, if I remember correctly).  And don't get me started on how many hogsheads equal a barrel; at least the only place you see those sorts of things are in those useless tables at the front of composition notebooks. :p
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LOL True, I'd forgotten calories, and I knew grammes had something to do with molecular weight ;)

Though, strictly speaking, even calories is not supposed to be used any more, it's joules now?

 

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Yep, calories will sooner or later be wiped out. The same way car motors are now rated in horse power and kW, with the tendency going to kW completely.

As for the kilogram master in Paris, that's actually the last master for a SI unit. It will sooner or later be replaced by a clean definition of how many atoms of some isotop make up one kg. All the other base SI units are already defined on some universal constant.
The meter is actually the distance light travels in 1/299.792.458 of a second through vacuum, and one second is the time some crystal needs to oscillate x many times.
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Wait, the weight is correct, but I'm confused about the height.  My sis is 1.60 (I think) and she says she's 5'4" and there's a woman in the lab saying that she's 5'5" but I am still an inche taller than her :rolleyes:

It's probably just that I suck at math. :p My bad. I'm too lazy to actually google a converter thingie. I just remembered the conversion from class and used it, but I must've made a calculation error somewhere.

Anyway, I'll go imperial since there's too much metric in this thread already!  ;) I'm around 135 lbs. and 5'8".
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LOL True, I'd forgotten calories, and I knew grammes had something to do with molecular weight ;)

Though, strictly speaking, even calories is not supposed to be used any more, it's joules now?

God, I hope not - my eccy bike only does calories.

 

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I really can't picture joules ever being used for something like nutritional facts on food packaging.  I mean, the food Calorie (with a capital C) is technically a kilocalorie, or 4184 Joules.  Imagine a would-be dieter's horror if they found out that their favorite brand of cookie contained 400,000 joules per serving.  For that matter, try explaining to the average Joe what a joule even is. :p

 

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We use joules on our food nutritional info thingos here. Well, kilojoules actually, but same difference.
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Wait, the weight is correct, but I'm confused about the height.  My sis is 1.60 (I think) and she says she's 5'4" and there's a woman in the lab saying that she's 5'5" but I am still an inche taller than her :rolleyes:

It's probably just that I suck at math. :p My bad. I'm too lazy to actually google a converter thingie. I just remembered the conversion from class and used it, but I must've made a calculation error somewhere.

Anyway, I'll go imperial since there's too much metric in this thread already!  ;) I'm around 135 lbs. and 5'8".

Actually, I think you have got it pretty close (I am too lazy to do the proper convertion as well).  I do not think my sis is 5'4"  as she always says she is *shhh... don't tell her I said that*  I was 1.66 when I was 16, but I grew at least anoher inch and a half since :D


LOL True, I'd forgotten calories, and I knew grammes had something to do with molecular weight ;)

Though, strictly speaking, even calories is not supposed to be used any more, it's joules now?

God, I hope not - my eccy bike only does calories.

There, you can give yourself an excuse to buy a new eccy toy :P

I really can't picture joules ever being used for something like nutritional facts on food packaging.  I mean, the food Calorie (with a capital C) is technically a kilocalorie, or 4184 Joules.  Imagine a would-be dieter's horror if they found out that their favorite brand of cookie contained 400,000 joules per serving.  For that matter, try explaining to the average Joe what a joule even is. :p

Yeah, I can't imagine living in a 'joule system'.  It's pain in the neck to live to count the calories, and I think many people will go crazy if we have to learn to do the convertion on top of counting and adding.

 

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It's probably just that I suck at math. :p My bad. I'm too lazy to actually google a converter thingie. I just remembered the conversion from class and used it, but I must've made a calculation error somewhere.

Uhm, Google is a converter - a natural language one, at that: http://www.google.com/search?q=1.60m+in+feet
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It's probably just that I suck at math. :p My bad. I'm too lazy to actually google a converter thingie. I just remembered the conversion from class and used it, but I must've made a calculation error somewhere.

Uhm, Google is a converter - a natural language one, at that: http://www.google.com/search?q=1.60m+in+feet

Ha ha, if my sis is really 1.6m, then she's not even 5'3" :D