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Offline FUBAR-BDHR

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Re: I NEED a ruling on this hand in a game of Texas Hold'em.
From the Wiki on kickers in Texas Hold'em.  This is almost the exact scenario and is a split.

Kickers take on special importance in Texas hold 'em, because a common winning hand is one card in a player's hand matched with a card on the board, while the player's second card acts as a kicker. For example, if one player holds A-Q, a second player holds A-10, and the board is A-J-8-5-3, the player with the Q kicker wins because A-A-Q-J-8 defeats A-A-J-10-8. If the board, however, were A-K-5-9-5, the players would tie, because both would play the hand A-A-5-5-K; in this case it is said that the players' kickers "don't play", or that the "kicker on the board plays". In this case, there would be a split pot.
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Re: I NEED a ruling on this hand in a game of Texas Hold'em.
Your kicker doesn't play. It's a split pot.

 

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Re: I NEED a ruling on this hand in a game of Texas Hold'em.
Ah, that's where I got confused, I always called the kicker the '5th card' in a two-double or four-of a kind hand.

 

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Re: I NEED a ruling on this hand in a game of Texas Hold'em.
Well I'm flabbergasted.  I was taught and always held true that the kicker always mattered in a cases such as this.  Looks as if there are very different schools of thought for Hold 'em which I was not aware of.

To Rand Al Thor, I suggest making sure that the rules for your future games are specific and clear, so that such confusion doesn't occur again.
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Re: I NEED a ruling on this hand in a game of Texas Hold'em.
Don't worry, exactly this discussion pops up regularly, usually resulting in lots of swearywords. It's best to clarify the take on the matter at the start of the game.
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Re: I NEED a ruling on this hand in a game of Texas Hold'em.
Yeah tell me bout it.

Nah, I do see the point behind the split pot, and I saw it back when I was arguing for the other side originally. I am still convinced that I saw my interpretation of events somewhere before, maybe late night poker or something, and thats why I was convinced I'd won. But from what I've heard here and other places looks like it can swing either way, depending.

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It's best to clarify the take on the matter at the start of the game.

Yeah but that almost never happens.
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Re: I NEED a ruling on this hand in a game of Texas Hold'em.
Split pot, without a doubt.
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Re: I NEED a ruling on this hand in a game of Texas Hold'em.
Well I'm flabbergasted.  I was taught and always held true that the kicker always mattered in a cases such as this.  Looks as if there are very different schools of thought for Hold 'em which I was not aware of.

To Rand Al Thor, I suggest making sure that the rules for your future games are specific and clear, so that such confusion doesn't occur again.


Quote from: Robert's Rules of Poker, v7
The boardcards are community cards, and a player may use any five-card combination from among the board and personal cards. A player may even use all of the boardcards and no personal cards to form a hand (play the board).

http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/rules.php

There are no other schools of thought, and nothing to agree on. The people above were thinking of Omaha, where you're required to use two cards from your hand and three from the board. In Hold'em, you play the best possible combination of your two cards and the five on the board, with no requirements to play both or even one card from your hand.

For example, a multiway pot with the board reading AAAAK will be split amongst all players remaining in the hand because no possible combination of cards a player can have in hand can make a better hand than what's on the board. A hand with a board of AAAA2, however, would not necessarily be split between everyone because a kicker better than the 2 would play.