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Offline Rodo

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
What is the difference between the "destroy target" and the "engage enemy" commands?

after destroying the target your wingmen just stand still or evade enemy wings until you order something else.
IF you order to attack anything they will be always engaging new wings of hostile ships
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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
To add on to Rodo's post...

"Destroy Target" will cause all your wingmen to attack that target only, regardless of whether there are nearby enemy targets.

Assume that the "Target" in question is an Astaroth 12 000m out. Ordering your wingmen to "Destroy Target" will make them fly 12 000m towards the Astaroth and attack it even if there is a Seraphim 1000m away from them.

"Engage Enemy", however, causes all your wingmen to attack the nearest hostile, so taking the example above, they will attack and destroy the Seraphim first before flying 12 000m out to attack the Astaroth.
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Offline eliex

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
Also use the "Engage Enemy" command just to clear any existing orders set previously for your wingmen if the orders begin to prove impractical.

 

Offline Falcon

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
The only order they'll still follow regardless of engage enemy is the "ignore my target" order. Which is really cool because telling a wing of fighters to ignore a cap ship and to engage enemy means they'll focus more on incoming fighters and bombers.

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
The only order they'll still follow regardless of engage enemy is the "ignore my target" order. Which is really cool because telling a wing of fighters to ignore a cap ship and to engage enemy means they'll focus more on incoming fighters and bombers.
That particular order is also awesome in The Sixth Wonder, if you accidentally order someone to ignore the Hawkwood. That Collie ain't firin' itz lazors at nothing no more.
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Offline Lucika

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
The only order they'll still follow regardless of engage enemy is the "ignore my target" order. Which is really cool because telling a wing of fighters to ignore a cap ship and to engage enemy means they'll focus more on incoming fighters and bombers.
That particular order is also awesome in The Sixth Wonder, if you accidentally order someone to ignore the Hawkwood. That Collie ain't firin' itz lazors at nothing no more.


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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
The only order they'll still follow regardless of engage enemy is the "ignore my target" order. Which is really cool because telling a wing of fighters to ignore a cap ship and to engage enemy means they'll focus more on incoming fighters and bombers.
That particular order is also awesome in The Sixth Wonder, if you accidentally order someone to ignore the Hawkwood. That Collie ain't firin' itz lazors at nothing no more.

I think that's been fixed, hasn't it? I just played The Sixth Wonder the other day and the Colossus definitely did its beamz thing.

 

Offline Falcon

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
The only order they'll still follow regardless of engage enemy is the "ignore my target" order. Which is really cool because telling a wing of fighters to ignore a cap ship and to engage enemy means they'll focus more on incoming fighters and bombers.
That particular order is also awesome in The Sixth Wonder, if you accidentally order someone to ignore the Hawkwood. That Collie ain't firin' itz lazors at nothing no more.

A better solution then, if you're experiencing that problem, is just to order your wingmen to form on your wing when the Hawkwood arrives. I never had that sort of thing happen to me in that mission though.

I do have an issue with the AI though, when you order them to take down a targeted subsystem/turret, they never use bombs. It's pretty frustrating, especially when playing the Bearbaiting mission.

 

Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
I do have an issue with the AI though, when you order them to take down a targeted subsystem/turret, they never use bombs. It's pretty frustrating, especially when playing the Bearbaiting mission.

We all get that, Falcon, and the reason is very simple. In fact, when you learn how to order wingmen about in one of the training missions in FS1, you will know exactly why.

The thing about the AI is that, when it is told to disarm or disable a target, it will automatically switch to the weapon that does the least hull damage. In Bearbaiting, the weapon that does the least damage is the Akheton SDG, so... :rolleyes:
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
The only order they'll still follow regardless of engage enemy is the "ignore my target" order. Which is really cool because telling a wing of fighters to ignore a cap ship and to engage enemy means they'll focus more on incoming fighters and bombers.
That particular order is also awesome in The Sixth Wonder, if you accidentally order someone to ignore the Hawkwood. That Collie ain't firin' itz lazors at nothing no more.

A better solution then, if you're experiencing that problem, is just to order your wingmen to form on your wing when the Hawkwood arrives. I never had that sort of thing happen to me in that mission though.
Happened to me only once, the one time I *drumroll* ordered my precious wingmen to ignore the Hawkwood. Ever since I've used this strategy: order everyone to ignore the Cato, (partially) disarm it mysef, fight the bombers and the Lokis until the Collie jumps in, take out the Cato with the wingmen if it is still there after being bombarded by the installation, order wingmen to depart, wait for the Hawkwood to jump in and get laz0r'd. The end.
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23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
Actually, Lobo, it seems that if you order your wingmen to C-3-6 the Hawkwood, you can still continue the mission by telling them to C-3-1 it.
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
Didn't work on my end. If I C-3-6'd the Hawkwood, no one attacked it. Especially not the Colossus. If I then C-3-1'd it, my wingmen would attack it and die a horrible, horrible death. The Colossus, however, would either continue to ignore it or attempt to destroy it by staring at it angrily, neither of which would result in an acceptable outcome.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
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18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

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Offline Snail

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
I got the same error, but by increasing time compression to x64 and waiting a while, the Colossus seemed to forget the ignore order and blew up the Hawkwood 40 or so minutes in.

 

Offline Mongoose

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
This wasn't with any recent SCP build, was it?  I was under the impression that the ignore bug had been fixed ages ago.

 

Offline Snail

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Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
This wasn't with any recent SCP build, was it?  I was under the impression that the ignore bug had been fixed ages ago.
Yeah, it was fixed yonks ago.

  
Re: Help on Freespace 2, Mission 21
The only order they'll still follow regardless of engage enemy is the "ignore my target" order. Which is really cool because telling a wing of fighters to ignore a cap ship and to engage enemy means they'll focus more on incoming fighters and bombers.
That particular order is also awesome in The Sixth Wonder, if you accidentally order someone to ignore the Hawkwood. That Collie ain't firin' itz lazors at nothing no more.

I think that's been fixed, hasn't it? I just played The Sixth Wonder the other day and the Colossus definitely did its beamz thing.
I played it the other day, and it did not.  And I didn't tell anyone to ignore anything, either.  The Colossus just sat there.  It killed it just fine when I gave up and restarted the mission, though.  I don't know what's up with that. 
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