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Offline Nuclear1

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Re: Obama orders closure of Gitmo
Noodle, try living and working with Marines every day and have your same opinion then.
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Offline iamzack

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In my experience, living with Marines *sucks.*
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Offline Janos

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In my experience, living with Marines *sucks.*

aren't you in highschool
« Last Edit: January 28, 2009, 11:00:14 am by Janos »
lol wtf

 

Offline Janos

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The people held captive in Gitmo knew that death or serious injury could occur when you play war with the USMC.

You're not serious

you cannot possibly be serious

look at how dumb you are

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In other words- if you sign up for an SM session, bear in mind you could get spanked, and if you do, I won't feel really bad about it.
you miss the point entirely

the point is that i sign up for spanking and that makes it ok to **** you with a strap-on dildo as well because __
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If anyone spanks you for no good reason, I will feel bad for you.
If anyone spanks you for no good reason, I won't feel really bad for them if you spank them back.

race to the bottom, right here

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If you kill them for spanking you, I will feel bad for them, hence my position on Gitmo being far less evil than mass executions and burying bodies in a roadside ditch (which is truly horrible).

What on Earth makes you think that those are the only choices

Jesus Christ.
"Not randomly interning and waterboarding possibly innocent people? WELL IT'S BETTER THAN MASS GRAVES."

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You feel bad for someone getting spanked on an SM session.*
of course not
the point is the term "consent"

you know that one

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You also feel bad for the spankers when the spankees (is that even a word?) spank them back, no matter if the spankees were spanked for a good reason or not.*
You also want to ban spanking back, no matter what the case, right?*

No I do not and you would do much better if you actually looked at the arguments and didn't try to wash them off with ridiculous amounts of logical fallacies


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BTW- why did we go from politics to spanking?[/color]

Because you cannot grasp a goddamn metaphor, that's why


Let's reiterate: being held as POW is ok. They are granted all kinds of protections. That's quite normal.
Being held in custody while trial is on because you are suspected of certain crime? Yes, that is also ok.
Still with me? Right?

Ok, follow this line:
Being held indefinitely without a trial while subjected to waterboarding and stuff while being quite possibly innocent and denied the very rights given to prisoners because one is not POW nor a normal captive?

OK or not?
« Last Edit: January 28, 2009, 11:04:12 am by Janos »
lol wtf

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Obama orders closure of Gitmo
It's not that it's okay, there's nothing really stopping them. In the eyes of people in the US whose opinion matters, each and every one of those men is as big a threat to the nation as the one next to them.

So using this logic, we can assume the same value is given to all these men, however these values are all negative and harmful. So you treat them as such, the complete opposite to innocent until proven guilty. You can draw an analogy between this and your Goody-Goody guy who walks home from work, and gets mugged by a few guys who take his wallet and break his ribs. That's going to absolutely shatter his confidence, so he's going to close up like a clam and take insanely OTT methods to ensure it doesn't happen again. The US got hit hard and unexpectedly (assuming 9/11 wasn't a coverup........don't start), this scared the Joint Chiefs of Staff, secretary of state, and everyone else with confidence issues and everyone else who sits at huge desks giving orders to people who sit at smaller desks. So the culmination of this is a country that won't take any chances, also has their priorities wrong *cough* IRAQ! *cough* (actually that was really just Bush and cheney), and is supposedly all-over anything that wears a rag on it's head (apologies to any Muslims here, just my laymans terms). 

I have no gripes with Americans, I'm just trying to see it from a very particular part of the US Government's view, carefully ommitting anythign to do with oil etc

 
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So I understand that if someone says A is less evil than B, he or she means that A is good and supports A?

I never wrote I support tortures, be it waterboarding, a breaking wheel or an iron maiden. I also never wrote I support capturing "random innocent" (which BTW is untrue in many cases, as many people have been sent from Gitmo to trial in their country and then to prison, some returned to terrorism, one of which killed 7 people in a suicide bombing after he was released) and holding them "with no rights" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus) yet everyone tries to prove I do.

Also- I've notice that if someone doesn't have anything creative to write, they just offend the person they're talking with to prove superiority, in some cases without really reading what I write, which makes it kinda hard to continue the debate.

P.S.- Since I've learned that there were people cought for wearing a watch, something to read. And I'd like to ask what are the CIA smoking, if they think that just a watch is a reason for a trip to Gitmo (in other words- they should get spanked, multiple times)...
Claiming people wearing a watch that makes a good detonator are terrorists is like claiming people who own guns are murderers.
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Offline karajorma

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Re: Obama orders closure of Gitmo
So I understand that if someone says A is less evil than B, he or she means that A is good and supports A?


Ummmm.

Gitmo isn't politically correct, but it sure as hell ain't horrible.


Do I really need to explain any further? You claimed it simply wasn't politically correct. You gave no indication you didn't support it and then went on to act as if waterboarding is nothing that shouldn't have been done there. You then ended with a comment about how everyone in Gitmo should have known not to mess with the US.

And then you want us to cry tears about how we all got you all wrong? :lol:
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Offline Rick James

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Mmm. Nothing compares to the toasty-warm literary napalm that are this forum's political discussions.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2009, 07:53:13 pm by Rick James »

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Offline Flipside

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Heh, well, everyone on this Forum seems to have a very short Fuse with regards to Dogma. The minute someone types something that sounds like a Fox News script, it tends to kick off ;)

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Heh, well, everyone on this Forum seems to have a very short Fuse with regards to Dogma. The minute someone types something that sounds like a Fox News script, it tends to kick off ;)

Well, no one likes fox news anyway  :lol:

  

Offline Janos

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So I understand that if someone says A is less evil than B, he or she means that A is good and supports A?

I never wrote I support tortures, be it waterboarding, a breaking wheel or an iron maiden. I also never wrote I support capturing "random innocent" (which BTW is untrue in many cases, as many people have been sent from Gitmo to trial in their country and then to prison, some returned to terrorism, one of which killed 7 people in a suicide bombing after he was released) and holding them "with no rights" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus) yet everyone tries to prove I do.

Oh the comparison to mass graves was just an accident? You absolutely did not try to draw a parallel between mass graves and Gitmo? Especially with the political correctness thing? I think I had problems trying to parse the following part:
... horrible stuff ...

This is horrible.

Gitmo isn't politically correct, but it sure as hell ain't horrible.



Also- I've notice that if someone doesn't have anything creative to write, they just offend the person they're talking with to prove superiority, in some cases without really reading what I write, which makes it kinda hard to continue the debate.

I am sorry I read your text as being unable to differentiate between consensual and non-consensual acts of physical violence:
Well, everyone in the US Special Forces was waterboarded, as part of survival training. Hell, the US even took the methods used in Gitmo from USSF boot camp.

Also- where did you read that the Gitmo inmates were waterboarded for 7 years?


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P.S.- Since I've learned that there were people cought for wearing a watch, something to read. And I'd like to ask what are the CIA smoking, if they think that just a watch is a reason for a trip to Gitmo (in other words- they should get spanked, multiple times)...
Claiming people wearing a watch that makes a good detonator are terrorists is like claiming people who own guns are murderers.[/color]

I am sorry I thought you tried to generalize people in Gitmo as being definitely criminals, after all, I have some problems trying to pick out the condemnation in phrases like this:
The people held captive in Gitmo knew that death or serious injury could occur when you play war with the USMC.
[metaphor stuff removed]

Truly sorry for the misunderstanding!

also why only USMC?
« Last Edit: January 30, 2009, 03:10:00 am by Janos »
lol wtf