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Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
Hey, let all the people you want on your computer damage free with a passwordless guest account. Try activating it some day. When i'm off my computer i just lock the session and if anyone else wants to use it, they get to login as guest.

Glad people did some pointing the person to avast.
But, a good fix to this problem is to run your computer in user space and not admin space all the time. But, a whole bunch of you wont because it's too habitually different and may seem inconvenient. In user space, there's a much more strict permission set when compared to administrator space which has a different permission set that basically says yes to everything on the system be it a virus or actual program.

So if not running in user space is because people are lazy or that it's too different to use, or you think your firewall and virus scanner combination is good enough. How much do you appreciate the down time when you eventually do get a virus because you ran as administrator all the time, or the fact that your computer got hacked giving 100% access to everything to change/delete/steal for the hacker because the administrator permission set is extremely unrestrictive because either your firewall wasn't that great or had an exploit.

Down time sucks, easy ways to minimize it.

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Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
Hmm. What exactly is user space? Is that when you choose the other option when you create a user account in windows XP?

Because, if I run user space, which is as safe as you say it is, and all I have to do is click yes whenever I want to do an application, I have no problem with that an all.

I once had a guest account on my computer, but since nobody ever wants to use my computer at all, I figured it's better just to be in the same room the rare time someone wants to use it.
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Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
Vista's User Account Control enabled one to give administrator access to certain programs and actions on a request-by-request basis while logged into a limited account, but to the best of my knowledge, XP didn't have that same luxury.  (According to Wiki, previous versions of Windows didn't even contain the concept of a "limited" account.)  And given how many programs tend to require admin-level access when running in XP, I'll continue to take my chances with the admin account.

 
Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
yeah, because the only other use account option in XP is "limited", which disables you from installing and executing many programs, period.
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Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
If I'd suggest some things to avoid they'd probably be McAffe and Norton. Both tend to be very system-intensive and invasive to other programs. Conspiracy theorists will also suggest that major AV suppliers such as these also fabricate viruses distributed throughout the programs themselves to enhance revenue earned through their enterprises... Or something like that.

Personally I've never used one of the apps on my own computer, but people close to me have. And did not do well by them...

Once again, Trend Micro and Spy Sweeper have not given me such problems.

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Really? McAfee has worked very well for me.

 

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Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
My dislike of McAfee and Nortor stem less from they're supposed backdooring of viruses, and more to the fact that they are bloatware of the first order, slowing system performance by as much as 50% compared to the same system without them running.
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Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
But, a good fix to this problem is to run your computer in user space and not admin space all the time. But, a whole bunch of you wont because it's too habitually different and may seem inconvenient. In user space, there's a much more strict permission set when compared to administrator space which has a different permission set that basically says yes to everything on the system be it a virus or actual program.

So if not running in user space is because people are lazy or that it's too different to use, or you think your firewall and virus scanner combination is good enough. How much do you appreciate the down time when you eventually do get a virus because you ran as administrator all the time, or the fact that your computer got hacked giving 100% access to everything to change/delete/steal for the hacker because the administrator permission set is extremely unrestrictive because either your firewall wasn't that great or had an exploit.
XP isn't really ideal for running standard user account. Vista does it much better. Win7 does it even better. If you're considering Win7 to replace your aging XP, consider no more. It's that good.

 

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Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
My dislike of McAfee and Nortor stem less from they're supposed backdooring of viruses, and more to the fact that they are bloatware of the first order, slowing system performance by as much as 50% compared to the same system without them running.
The box of Norton's latest Internet Security product claims massive performance gains and consumption of far fewer system resources, but I don't know if that's been independently verified by anyone.  I always thought it had a decent-enough user interface, but it utterly slaughtered our running-XP-on384-megs-of-RDRAM family system. :p

 
Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
Avira Antivir. Works for me. It's taking up 12 MB of my memory right now. The only annoying thing are the advirtisements for the pro version when updating.

It also doesn't hate User32.dll, unlike AVG :P.

You all have fun with your admin user accounts 24/7, i know i at least don't let anyone of my friends on my computer unless they're in userland.
I never let people on my computer at all, knowing all nasty programs one can hide in a 1GB thumb drive and how untrustworthy a number of my "friends" are.

My friends don't even come to my house, since it is about 30 km away from where they live :P.
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Re: Virus problems and in serious need of an antivirus.
XP and Vista are both multi-user environments. Which means you can have more than one user logged into the same system at any one time. It also means that you can temporarily utilize another account temporarily to get stuff done from within another account.

Hmm. What exactly is user space? Is that when you choose the other option when you create a user account in windows XP?

Sorry for tossing around lingo (userspace being it). Running around in userspace is lingo for using a limited permission set user account...in other words just using a user account instead of an admin account.

yeah, because the only other use account option in XP is "limited", which disables you from installing and executing many programs, period.

Don't always jump to conclusions so quickly, you don't even know what a limited user account is (if you don't know what something is, then google it). Limited user in XP is the exact same as standard user in Vista. Just different wording is all that's different. And yes, user accounts will keep you from installing programs, but you're forgetting about the accessing of admin privileges while in userspace. There's pretty much no restriction on running programs in userspace. The only reason why a program needs admin privileges is because you needed to make system wide changes such as anything in the control panel, editing system files, etc. Or that a program's specific function requires a permission that userspace cannot grant. Other than that, i run all of my games just fine from userspace as well as normal programs like firefox, instant messaging, office programs, bla bla bla.

How accessing admin privileges in userspace works...
XP does have the ability just as vista does. Just that in XP you get the similar and less automated "run as" dialog instead of the much better vista UAC. Vista and XP have different wording. They both have guest accounts which both perform the same function. But, in Vista to run as a user, when creating a user account, select "standard user". In XP when you create a user account, you select "limited user". Different wording in both OS'es for the same thing.

The way running in user space in windows is pretty cool. You set up yourself a password protected admin account, and you set up a user account. Then when running in the user account, everything administrative that happens is an approval by approval basis (it's really awesome). Basically nothing gets to be installed, nothing gets access to outside of the user account folders like my documents and the desktop (no access to core system files), and nothing gets to run amock crazily unless the administrator has approved any of this stuff.

Vista has uac, which is an annoyance if you run as an admin, but you really get to see it's power when running in user space. UAC is pretty automated, whenever you install a program from userspace, UAC pops up to give you an opportunity to temporarily access an admin account to give permission only for whatever you're doing at the time that requires admin privileges.

In XP, it's not so automated, but in general is similar to how things are in vista with uac. In xp, if you want to temporarily give admin privileges to something, you right click the icon and select the "run as" (this is similar to right clicking an icon in vista and selecting "run as administrator".

So, if you were installing firefox from userspace in vista, (without right clicking the install executable, just plain old double clicking it) )UAC would pop up, tell you what's happening and if you would like to grant permission for this program to be installed. UAC will show you a list of all of the accounts on the system that have the ability to do so letting you select one, pop in the password for that admin account, and admin privileges were given to nothing more than  firefox for installation on the system. When firefox is done being installed that's when admin privileges specifically for the firefox installation end (in xp it's the same procedure...just that the runas dialog doesn't pop up automatically like UAC does....so you'd have to start out with right clicking the installable executable and select "run as").

That's how temporary admin privileges work in a multiuser OS for an approval by approval basis. After that, programs within userspace...they don't get admin privileges either, unless you right click the firefox icon in vista and select "run as administrator", which'll bring up UAC so on and so forth with admin privileges ending until you're done doing whatever needed admin privileges in firefox (of which closing out firefox after giving it admin privileges ends giving admin privileges only to firefox).

Basically nothing on your computer would get admin privileges unless you give admin privileges yourself. Means when something funky hops on your computer and tries to rewrite your registry in vista, UAC will pop up and see if you want to give permission along with a summary of whatever something funky is trying to do to your system. Like i said, if you want to do this, use whatever admin account you have, password protect it, and create a new standard user/limited (they're both the same thing, just different wording) account preferably with a password that you have to type in, but keep in mind, having your computer automatically login with a user account is much not volatile at all compared to many computers that automatically login to an admin account when a computer starts up.
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