[Klaustrophobia]

Well nothing that has happened for the past 2 years has been because of the majority wanting it, so there's still a very good chance.

[Nuclear1]

or enact some other legislation as a '**** you' to the courts, maybe a federal law will come out of this that you don't like, maybe a federal amendment.

This isn't about pissing off the courts, it's not about passing legislation. It's about a group of people who just want a chance at happiness being told by a larger group that they're inferior and that their love is somehow immoral.

I'm gonna say it again--rights aren't up for a vote. 

[Kosh]

I dont see what business government has in regulating marriage. If two people regardless of gender want to get married or divorced, that's a private matter.

[blowfish]

I dont see what business government has in regulating marriage. If two people regardless of gender want to get married or divorced, that's a private matter.

It matters because there are a lot of financial and legal implications that come with marriage.

[Flipside]

You also need to bear in mind the campaign that went on from before the vote, I recall there were some very dodgy accusations flying around about Gay marriage, which were being spread by the people who proposed the bill, in an effort to turn public opinion against the idea of it.

The problem with a majority decision is that it assumes that the majority are in possession of the facts in an un-altered form.

[iamzack]

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Also, since when do conservatives give a damn about what the majority wants? See 2000 Prezzy election. Sheesh.

[Sushi]

I dont see what business government has in regulating marriage. If two people regardless of gender want to get married or divorced, that's a private matter.

It matters because there are a lot of financial and legal implications that come with marriage.

Social implications too, which is why the issue gets so sticky. I'm guessing a good chunk of people against gay marriage are more bothered by the social implications than the financial and legal ones.

[NGTM-1R]

Social implications too, which is why the issue gets so sticky. I'm guessing a good chunk of people against gay marriage are more bothered by the social implications than the financial and legal ones.

What social implications? The usual ones that get thrown out to stop gay marriage just got blown out of the water by a federal court; that's why the ruling is so fact-heavy. Rather than confront gay marriage as a legal theory issue the judge tackled it from a practical one of if the usual social and socitial objections were valid, and they turned out not to be.

[Flipside]

Fact is, there's still a lot of homophobia in the civilised world, lots of people are still terrified of homosexuality.

It's like the whole 'calling people and things gay' thing on the Internet, as I've pointed out before, claiming it's anything other than a homophobic-based insult is blatant, out and out bull****, and it's amazing (and a sign of how institutionalised Homophobia has become) that people get away with it by claiming such.

[iamzack]

Social implications too, which is why the issue gets so sticky. I'm guessing a good chunk of people against gay marriage are more bothered by the social implications than the financial and legal ones.

What social implications?

10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong


01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

[Klaustrophobia]

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Also, since when do conservatives give a damn about what the majority wants? See 2000 Prezzy election. Sheesh.

Ya know, with what is going on now, maybe we shouldn't be singling out what particular political leaning cares about the majority.

[Bobboau]

since when do conservatives give a damn about what the majority wants? See 2000 Prezzy election. Sheesh.

the same as the democrats, since the majority agreed with them, when this is not the case both sides refer to it as having good "leadership"

[General Battuta]

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Also, since when do conservatives give a damn about what the majority wants? See 2000 Prezzy election. Sheesh.

Ya know, with what is going on now, maybe we shouldn't be singling out what particular political leaning cares about the majority.

Wait don't the Democrats control a majority of Congress as well as the presidency? It is a representative democracy.

It'll swing back Republican soon enough, it always cycles.

[Klaustrophobia]

I was referring more to the policies and laws being enacted by both the president and congress going against the majority of the populace.  our representatives are NOT representing us.  approval ratings for the pres and congress are plummeting across the board, not just the republicans.

i'm derailing here.  sorry.

ontopic:  i'm honestly glad for gay people who want to get married in california.  it really makes no difference to me one way or the other though.

[General Battuta]

I was referring more to the policies and laws being enacted by both the president and congress going against the majority of the populace.  our representatives are NOT representing us.  approval ratings for the pres and congress are plummeting across the board, not just the republicans.

That always happens, though; approval ratings inevitably plummet. The mechanism for handling this problem is voting them out of office.

My dad probably has some nice graphs to this effect. I should go find his blog.

[mxlm]

[Klaustrophobia]

I was referring more to the policies and laws being enacted by both the president and congress going against the majority of the populace.  our representatives are NOT representing us.  approval ratings for the pres and congress are plummeting across the board, not just the republicans.

That always happens, though; approval ratings inevitably plummet. The mechanism for handling this problem is voting them out of office.

My dad probably has some nice graphs to this effect. I should go find his blog.

yeah, i know.  but we still have to put up with it for 4 years.  and congress will likely never change.  the overwhelming majority of voters don't pay the slightest bit of attention to congress, they just check off next to the incumbant.  hell most of the time they run unopposed.  i have no illusions of everything being roses even if  EVERY member of congress was voted out.

[Nemesis6]

I love America. Eventually, they mostly do the right thing, you know, after trying out the wrong thing for a while.

[Titan]

Emphasis on the wrong thing first.