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Offline General Battuta

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We kinda got around that by forming our own sovreign nation.  :p

I doubt all that many of your ancestors were present in the country at that time. Mine weren't.

 

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Shockingly, mine were. o.0
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So we should be welcoming this?

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In Britain, the authorities are now reporting the forced marriage of girls as young as nine years old on British soil. We are not talking about one case, but several, which take place under official protection.

Am I reading this correctly? My interpretation is that the author is claiming HMG is protecting pedo marriages. If so, I'm not exactly willing to take that on faith. In other words, citation needed.
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The first way to be respectful of a sovereign nation you are wanting to live in is to obey the laws...all of them.

Interesting. If so most of our ancestors should have been ejected and we wouldn't be here.
All the way back through the history of this country, folk have been, more or less, welcomed into it.  The last great immigration rush was funneled through a little place in New York Harbor called Ellis Island.  The people who came through there and in other locations were processed quickly and were legal because that was the way it worked in that day because the government wanted a lot of warm bodies coming in to fuel the westward expansion.

These days the process is slower and more grounded in making sure that when you become a citizen of the United States of America, that you are a citizen of some quality of knowledge and understanding of what being an American is. 
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The first way to be respectful of a sovereign nation you are wanting to live in is to obey the laws...all of them.

Interesting. If so most of our ancestors should have been ejected and we wouldn't be here.
All the way back through the history of this country, folk have been, more or less, welcomed into it.  The last great immigration rush was funneled through a little place in New York Harbor called Ellis Island. 

Yeah, for sufficiently hostile and exploitative definitions of 'welcome'. Read up on the history of places like Ellis and you're gonna find it got very ugly.

 

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These days the process is slower and more grounded in making sure that when you become a citizen of the United States of America, that you are a citizen of some quality of knowledge and understanding of what being an American is. 

Unlike most of the morons that are born here.
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Interesting. If so most of our ancestors should have been ejected and we wouldn't be here.

funny thing is this can be used as an argument either way, for instance: if the natives of what is no known as North America would have established national boundaries (maybe they did and I just unaware of it) and forbade anyone not of their community from living on their land without fully assimilating into their nation and only allowed as many people in that could be absorbed, and ejected anyone who did not conform to their rules then maybe there would still be more than a handful of their decedents left. (or maybe the British/Spanish/French would have just wholesale slaughtered them). the native Americans can be used as an example of what happens to a nation/country if it does not enforce assimilation and has a strong influx of immigration.

so in other-words, yeah they should have.
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Interesting. If so most of our ancestors should have been ejected and we wouldn't be here.

funny thing is this can be used as an argument either way, for instance: if the natives of what is no known as North America would have established national boundaries (maybe they did and I just unaware of it) and forbade anyone not of their community from living on their land without fully assimilating into their nation and only allowed as many people in that could be absorbed, and ejected anyone who did not conform to their rules then maybe there would still be more than a handful of their decedents left. (or maybe the British/Spanish/French would have just wholesale slaughtered them). the native Americans can be used as an example of what happens to a nation/country if it does not enforce assimilation and has a strong influx of immigration.

so in other-words, yeah they should have.

Fallacy of the excluded middle, reductio ad absurdum. The natives of North America or Turtle Island or what-have-you actively attempted to prevent European immigration, often by violence. They simply didn't have the power to carry out their goals. The Native Americans cannot be used as an example of what happens to a nation/country if it does not enforce assimilation because there was no immigration to Native American lands; there was conquest.

Mexicans are not invading our nation in overwhelming numbers using sophisticated technology and a powerfully honed set of immunological weapons.

 

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it wasn't that simple, if the natives would have all worked together to repel the Europeans from the outset, they could have made things much more difficult, instead they often formed alliances with the Europeans to gain an upper-hand against rival tribes. it wasn't until the Europeans had a very firm foothold in the Americas did the conquest truly begin.
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it wasn't that simple, if the natives would have all worked together to repel the Europeans from the outset, they could have made things much more difficult, instead they often formed alliances with the Europeans to gain an upper-hand against rival tribes. it wasn't until the Europeans had a very firm foothold in the Americas did the conquest truly begin.

Sure. Doesn't change the fact that the natives were on the short end of the power scale here. Not analogous, because Mexicans are not invading our nation in overwhelming numbers using sophisticated technology and a powerfully honed set of immunological weapons.

 

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Mexicans. . . are from Mexico. I really don't feel the threat.

 

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yeah, and Mexicans aren't coming from Europe either.
I don't think I ever mentioned Mexicans, the Mexico-US immigration issue is not the only one of this nature.
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Mexico has immigration issues on their southern border too.  How else do non-Mexicans get through our southern border but through Mexico?  I think the Mexican crossing is even worse than the American crossing due to how forcibly Mexico enforces their far-stricter immigration laws.  I wouldn't be surprised if the federales shoot at illegal aliens on sight.
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Not a reason to take it out on the people of Mexico however.

 

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on the other hand the cluster **** that Mexico is becoming is a good reason to try and reduce our border's permeability as much as possible.
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Permeability, or permittivity?

Do illegal immigrant behave more like a magnetic field or more like an electric field...? :nervous:
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Not a reason to take it out on the people of Mexico however.
No, but it is something to consider when people bash American immigration policies, especially when Mexico's el presidente does it.
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So we should be welcoming this?

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In Britain, the authorities are now reporting the forced marriage of girls as young as nine years old on British soil. We are not talking about one case, but several, which take place under official protection.

Am I reading this correctly? My interpretation is that the author is claiming HMG is protecting pedo marriages. If so, I'm not exactly willing to take that on faith. In other words, citation needed.

You're reading it correctly, the problem is that they aren't writing it correctly, it's somewhat a selective use of facts. The Government are aware that children as young as 9 are being promised into wedlock by their parents despite laws to the contrary, and the Law is having a hard time dealing with it because it's, quite obviously, not something that is made public knowledge. What that report has done is selectively take the information and word it in such a way as to make it look like a difficulty to act upon is equal to supporting the concept of.

That's always the problem of trying to sensationalise something which has, in its projection through a tabloid paper already been sensationlised once, the story gets blown up into something else entirely. You already noted that article doesn't even link its sources.

Edit: It's kind of like when the UK Government wanted to move the point of taxation from the workplace to a centralised system and people (notably outside the UK) claimed that the Government were going to give people 'what they think you can live on', which was complete bollocks, it was nothing of the sort, but that sounds much more sensational and judgemental.
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Mexicans. . . are from Mexico. I really don't feel the threat.
you do realize that mexico is in an ACTUAL WAR with drug cartels, making the country almost as dangerous for reporters as IRAQ.
like, **** is real there, hence
on the other hand the cluster **** that Mexico is becoming is a good reason to try and reduce our border's permeability as much as possible.

  

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that was what I was referencing with that comment. :nod:
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