[Zacam]

I honestly have no idea where this is coming from. There is no content difference between his posts in this thread and mine, they're just distributed differently.

I can't accept this input if it's inconsistent like this. You can feel free to take it to PM though.

Actually no, I'm going to be calm about this.

You missed that as being the immediate following line. Stop selectively processing statements to your benefit by removing them from the scope and context in which they are made in, please. And further, it wasn't necessary for your point to be added to the topic (the point of people laughing their asses off) and it constructively served no purpose. And I would have loved to have responded to this privately, except you are continuing to reply to it in public. And while I am all for being the better person in this aspect (as we are both Global Moderators), but I'm the project manager for FSU as a whole, which dictates that public actions require public reactions in terms of providing a better public closure and understanding to the situation at hand.

[General Battuta]

The second sentence of your post is beautifully ironic. Go back to my last post, read it again, try again.

I know you're new to being a global mod but this is a textbook example of how not to handle your job. You are shutting down a user's opinion because you disagree with it. That's unacceptable. Hades made a statement and we, BlackWolf and I and many others, responded to it. We both contributed constructively to the thread in question where constructive discourse was necessary, and responded with outrage when an outrageous statement was made.

I'm unlocking this thread. If discussion is going to continue it should be open to the public.

[Zacam]

Locked. Done. Point served, discussion now in private.

[General Battuta]

You're playing to get the last point now. Do you want this to be a discussion about how Hades handles criticism or not?

The thread was opened because he made ridiculous statements about the entire FSU project, which indicated either a major disconnect between him and the rest of the team, or the end of any meaningful open discussion of FSU projects. Users, writing as users (not as global mods or whatever) reacted with their opinions.

Your argument in this thread has been that those reactions were somehow mishandled because they addressed Hades personally. Yet the issue here is clearly either with the FSU as a whole, or with Hades' personal handling of criticism. If the issue is with Hades' personal handling of criticism, then his past and continued disrupt behavior is salient. He has made his issues at home, his academic problems, and his depression public, and cited them repeatedly as causes for disruptive behavior - are we to pretend they somehow don't play a role in the way he handles criticism?

I've stated already in this thread that if Hades is going to be reined in (which all the evidence is he is) then I'm satisfied.

[Zacam]

And again, I said that the issue will be handled. The original comment as it was made that kicked this off has been stricken through and commented on and additional private discussion has taken place appropriately, so feel free to be satisfied. And poor handling of criticism is always a problem when the criticism itself is delivered poorly, or is perceived to have a personal animus attached to it. (Even if it is not MEANT as bearing personal animus or thought by the originator as having been done poorly, the fact of the matter is that perception of these things is always in the eye of the beholder, never the deliverer).

But the bigger issue here isn't who is handling Hades, but how. I will deal with it, especially if and when and where it happens on FSU forums or posts or in relation to what the FSU as a whole is doing. You can handle him as you see fit any where else as you like.

As for there being an issue with the FSU as a whole, there is no issue. If there is, then this needs to be a separate topic on internal for us to work collectively on resolving.

[General Battuta]

Is that to be taken as an official statement that we are not to reply to Hades' requests for criticism in FSU forums or posts?

Because if so, a) that doesn't strike me as a good idea, and b) this wasn't Hades' work. This was Sab0o's, who asked for and received useful criticism, and did so in a very mature manner. Hades stepped up to make the statement in question because he's, as he's expressed more than once, tired of criticism and feedback, even if it's not directed at him.

How are we to 'deliver criticism well' to Hades or 'detach a personal animus from it' when the criticism is not aimed at Hades and is not connected to his work, but he still responds in this fashion?

This is clearly a personal issue with his handling of the workflow. It is disruptive and counterproductive, and it contributes to the process of changing constructive, useful feedback into personal discussions. With Hades heading the charge for a number of controversial (not all bad, in my book, but not all good) changes in the FreeSpace Upgrade Project, often acting unilaterally and with explicit disregard for criticism, this is a serious issue for the FSU as a whole.

[Zacam]

Well, usually, when a project member is getting out of hand, the immediate best responses are from A: Other project members or B: notification to the Project Leader for them to handle. If somebody spouted off about BP, I'd PM Darius and yourself for you two to handle it, not try and handle it myself, even if I thought my ability to handle it was in the right.

If anybody requests feedback or criticism of work, give it. Politely and constructively. Regardless of the user or ones personal feelings or issues with the person.

And when egregious mistakes take place, such as Hades comment in regards to what the FSU will or will not do, something like THAT, needs to be appropriately and immediately addressed by bringing it to the attention of the Project Moderator. Which in this case would have been me, but nobody did so. I apologize for the fact that the issue went without reply from me as long as it did, I was otherwise preoccupied with RL issues, but it is not like I couldn't have been reached.

And I'm not shutting down anybody being rightly angry with the statement that is at issue here. But what I am trying to do is to separate it from muddying the waters of the work in relation to the model or the texture topic that it originally started in, and now I'm just wanting the matter closed, so that more constructive work and progress can take place.

[General Battuta]

Most of that seems fair. However, this is a public forum, and while splitting out the issue of Hades' misstep is wise, I don't think closing down public reaction is.

[Zacam]

Fire control is putting out fires so that things don't get burned down. The thread is locked because it has been noted that there is a reaction to Hades statement. That statement has been addressed and dealt with. Further public postage of outrage is simply a greater potential for flame and troll bait, which this place already has more than enough of, especially as the issue is now being handled.