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Offline Kosh

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Aye. I only want those said monetary resources to work towards not needing those resources anymore. I would much prefer to live with no money than to acquire money and struggle to keep it or grow it for the rest of my life.


So you're in favor of some sort of neo-primitivism?


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What I would love to do is get enough people together to start a self-sustaining community. The idea being that a lot of people (myself included) can't afford to go off and protest for days because they're to worried about losing their job or not being able to feed themselves. A self sustaining community would allow people to do this - it would provide a safety net so that people can actually get out there and start working to make things better.

Sounds like a throwback to the hippy communes of the 60's and 70's.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Unknown Target

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?

So you're in favor of some sort of neo-primitivism?

Define "primitivism"? Not sure what you mean. But, the Romans managed to have hot and cold running water without electricity - yet we require it and complex manufacturing processes to produce the pumps and generators required to do it. How much more advanced are we, really?

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Sounds like a throwback to the hippy communes of the 60's and 70's.

The hippies were stupid.

It's not a hippie pipe dream to have functioning, stable communities wherein people work together for the common good and are able to sustain their own settlement via methods that don't rape the environment around them.
But in the US, everyone kind of just assumes that working and living together in communities ("communes") automatically equals hippies - even forgetting the country's own history with local townships, settler posts, and native american tribes. No, everyone remembers a bunch of long haired stoners with extraordinarily bad fashion sense.

 

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Define "primitivism"? Not sure what you mean. But, the Romans managed to have hot and cold running water without electricity - yet we require it and complex manufacturing processes to produce the pumps and generators required to do it. How much more advanced are we, really?


Because instead of electricity they had armies of slaves to pump whatever they needed and huge deforestation campaigns to heat the water. Energy doesn't come from nothing. Primitivism means essentially turning the clock back a couple hundred years before industrialization.


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It's not a hippie pipe dream to have functioning, stable communities wherein people work together for the common good and are able to sustain their own settlement via methods that don't rape the environment around them.
But in the US, everyone kind of just assumes that working and living together in communities ("communes") automatically equals hippies - even forgetting the country's own history with local townships, settler posts, and native american tribes. No, everyone remembers a bunch of long haired stoners with extraordinarily bad fashion sense.

Communes are equated with hippies because they were the ones who did it. Such things sound nice in theory, but in reality "for the common good" has never panned out. Many nations built their economies on that idea, the Soviet Union, India, China, Warsaw Pact and to a lesser extent pre-thatcher UK and latin america. The result? Every one of these economies essentially stagnated and went bankrupt resulting in traumatic reforms. And frankly given that people only had a life expectancy of less than 50 in those townships you describe back in the day I'm not willing to go back to it.

Localization sounds good until people realize that would mean giving up the ammenities and lifestyle they are accustomed to. I'll give the Unabomber credit for one thing, he actually did live this kind of "oneness with nature" he was preaching by living in the middle of nowhere in a shack without electricity, running water, or indoor plumbing.

"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
The new regime is holding up the old regime as a scapegoat:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110414/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt

 
Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Well, they are adopting the trappings of modern democracy, then.  Blame the other guy, while doing exactly the same thing as him.

 

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Indeed.

It's time the concept of "modern democracy" changed, methinks.

 

Offline Sushi

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Indeed.

It's time the concept of "modern democracy" changed, methinks.

To what, exactly?

 
Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Well, they are adopting the trappings of modern democracy, then.  Blame the other guy, while doing exactly the same thing as him.

That's not the trappings of a modern democracy. Unless the democracy I live in is vastly outdated...

  
Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Well, they are adopting the trappings of modern democracy, then.  Blame the other guy, while doing exactly the same thing as him.

That's not the trappings of a modern democracy. Unless the democracy I live in is vastly outdated...

Right, you are!  I've too greatly generalized.  Allow me to offer a fix:

Well, they are adopting the trappings of modern American democracy, then.  Blame the other guy, while doing exactly the same thing as him.