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Offline Unknown Target

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The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/20114118540870935.html

Very interesting read.

From the article:
"In Tunisia and Egypt the ruling systems were bigger than the rulers themselves. Their survival and interests were not completely tied to the leaders who became the symbols against which the people's anger was directed.

And so, at a certain point, Ben Ali and Mubarak could be sacrificed in order to preserve the system, or more precisely the power and wealth of elites whom it was constructed to benefit.

Publicly this was seen as a triumph of democratic protest, but particularly in Egypt, the reality of the system's continuity becomes clearer each day."



In other news, an Egyptian blogger got 3 years in prison for criticisng the army;

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110411/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt
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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Yeah, it was a bit unrealistic to expect a (relatively) bloodless change of hands when you really think about it.
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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
I think the point of the article is to say that it's not pointless to think that, it's just that we're at a crossroads right now with the direction the movements will take.

 

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Egyptian protesters were just useful idiots...
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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
...for...?

 

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Such a passionate response from this board when the revolutions started, but such a whimper when the effort is really needed.

 

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Yeah bro, we're going to effect some major change in Egypt with our goodpoasts

 

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Such a passionate response from this board when the revolutions started, but such a whimper when the effort is really needed.

Do I support political reform in Egypt? Most certainly. Can I -REALLY- do anything about it? Nothing more than talk, which is practically worthless.
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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Such a passionate response from this board when the revolutions started, but such a whimper when the effort is really needed.

Do I support political reform in Egypt? Most certainly. Can I -REALLY- do anything about it? Nothing more than talk, which is practically worthless.

Talking about it, proposing solutions,trying to come up with ways to help, ways to make sure that this doesn't repeat itself in Egypt or in other countries, etc - all these things fall under the purview of "talk".

 

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
And are all equally useless.

 

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
So you define talking to others and trying to figure out a way where we can fix things...that's useless?

So then what do you define as useful talk, Scotty?
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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
Such a passionate response from this board when the revolutions started, but such a whimper when the effort is really needed.

Do I support political reform in Egypt? Most certainly. Can I -REALLY- do anything about it? Nothing more than talk, which is practically worthless.

Talking about it, proposing solutions,trying to come up with ways to help, ways to make sure that this doesn't repeat itself in Egypt or in other countries, etc - all these things fall under the purview of "talk".


Except that the only solutions that are going to matter are the ones the elites of the world are willing to back. What can us ordinary folk do? Beyond volunteering to go fight for the rebels there is exactly nothing we can do. After all, America has been helping to bankroll the army that crushed the protesters for a number of years now.
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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
So then you discuss how to tackle the problems within America. How to organize, how to make the "elites" listen to you.

 

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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
So then you discuss how to tackle the problems within America. How to organize, how to make the "elites" listen to you.

Get rich, give donations?

 

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The problem is that
1. popular protest hasnt worked,
2. armed insurrection is morally out of the question though chances are if you manage to hold a good part of the country for a few weeks the international community will bomb the daylights out of government forces for you.
3. removed to prevent flame/troll

so what do you do?
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so what do you do?

If I had the answer, do you think I'd be asking you guys to talk about it and try to come up with one? I would have already started doing it by now.

I ask for debate because I am of the mindset that anybody here could come up with a good idea, or at the very least the discussion would help me come up with one.

Currently, I'm involved in trying to get a goal/results orientated group together on another website to try and change things at home in the US. My immediate hope is that some level of sanity can be restored to the society in the US, and from there the country can begin to help and repay other countries abroad. I'm currently trying to figure out how to get a project going that I think will solve a lot of problems, and it starts with returning our debt to Japan in the form of assistance.

That's what I'm doing.
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Re: The New Egypt: Same as the Old Egpyt?
So then you discuss how to tackle the problems within America. How to organize, how to make the "elites" listen to you.

Get rich, give donations?

Get guns, throw molotovs.

Or just acknowledge that your first step isn't getting at the elites, it's the average middle American Tea Partyer who is adamantly opposed to voting in their economic self interest. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Interestingly, it was the US that played a large role in funding the uprising in Egypt before it abruptly turned around and cut off this support. Now it seems like the US has given up on Mubarak but it is looking for a managed transition in Egypt on its own terms. Egyptians have been promised an election within the next six months, but people in the opposition are saying this is not nearly enough time to establish strong opposing parties and adequate democratic institutions. It seems to me like Egypt is headed the way of Russia after 1991, with heavy foreign support combined with clever political maneuvering and government media control to ensure the survival of the regime. The IMF and, indirectly, the United States eventually lost what control it had over Russia once they were able to pay off their debts, but they did succeed in influencing policy during the 90s and preserving the Yelstin regime from populism.

 

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