[Stealth]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Aw geez, you and CP.

eh?  what about me and CP!?

what did i do!?

[Martinus]

Originally posted by YodaSean
If you want to try visual basic, there is a downloadable version on microsoft's website somewhere, its called the "control creation edition" or something I think, but you can only run the programs in the VB interface, you can't actually compile them.  I use Visual Basic, I really like it because I enjoy making simple directX games and utility programs and don't have the time to learn c++, which is more complicated and isn't going to make my simple programs run any better

This is what I'm talking about, if it does the job you might just love it. Otherwise it's a royal waste of time and effort.
C is the most powerful, flexible language that I'm aware of. There are thriving communities out there that will be able to answer any questions you can throw at them and there are tons of tutorials. BTW some books on C++ that I've read actually advise against learning C first and just jump into C++. I dunno enough about it though. Penguin, Kazan? What do you think?

BTW Penguin 4MHz!?! *hands shake uncontrollably at the sheer power*

[Kazan]

C is good to know before C++

because oop and non-oop techniques have their places in all programs

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Anyway, today I went out and bought SAMS teach yourself C++ in 24 Hours, it comes with 2 compilers and a debugger, so that should be useful. I've read the first couple of pages, but haven't got into it properly, I've just played around with the compilers. This, however, raises further questions, about the FS2 source. I've been looking at it and want to know, is that POFVIEW that comes as part of it any good? And if so how do I compile it?

[Kazan]

SAMS books = teh suck

[Petrarch of the VBB]

In what way?

[Kazan]

every way

[penguin]

meh, any book that teaches you the basics is OK.  You don't really learn until you start on a real project.

The best you can hope for is a book that doesn't give you any misinformation about "the way to do it"  That's why you should avoid MS Press books -- all the brain-damaged "hungarian notaion," and every class name starting with "C" is more obfuscating than enlightening.  (What happens if you need to change a variable's type?  Do you rename all the variables, or do you leave them with the "wrong signature"?)  But I digress...

And athough the FS2 code is in C++, it's not "really C++" -- there's very little use of classes, etc. that make C++ an OOL.  It's using the "better C" features of the language.  If you know C but not C++, you can understand 95% of the FS2 code.

BTW don't flame me for saying that  I say it with complete neutrality -- I'm not saying anything good nor bad about OOP.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Well then, can anyone offer up any siggestions of the pofview wotsit? When I try and compile I get errors saying .h not in this directory, so I move them into that directory, and get twice as many errors! Help!

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Petrarch of th VBB
Well then, can anyone offer up any siggestions of the pofview wotsit? When I try and compile I get errors saying .h not in this directory, so I move them into that directory, and get twice as many errors! Help!

Are you trying to compile with GCC or the compiler that came with the SAMS book?

[WMCoolmon]

Which version of the source are you using?

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Originally posted by Maeglamor


Are you trying to compile with GCC or the compiler that came with the SAMS book?

The One that came with the book, its called Bloodhound Dev C++, or something.

WMCoolmon


Which version of the source are you using?

The one with a German unpacking thing.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Ignore this, it went wrong and i cant delete it.

[penguin]

Originally posted by Petrarch of th VBB
Are you trying to compile with GCC or the compiler that came with the SAMS book?

The One that came with the book, its called Bloodhound Dev C++, or something.

I never heard of it... you might have more luck with something a little better supported...

Which version of the source are you using?

The one with a German unpacking thing.

I have no idea what this even means... I guess you're not using one of the versions at http://fs2source.warpcore.org then...

[Martinus]

Originally posted by penguin
I never heard of it... you might have more luck with something a little better supported...

I think the compilers that they give out with these books are function limited. The version I got with my C++ in 24hrs was labeled 'lite' i.e. 'sh1t'.

Use the GCC compiler, lots of material available to help you out with problems too.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

The version of the source I have was downloaded from Stealth's page here at HLP, I don't know where he got it from.

And where can I get this GCC compiler of which you speak?