[Stryke 9]

...Did I say anything?

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
...Did I say anything?

 

what are you talking about!?

[Stryke 9]

I could ask you precisely the same thing. See above two posts.

[Su-tehp]

OIC, Stealth typed "Stryke" but I think he meant me when he said "i'm just kidding Stryke, i knew no one would reply anyway (to my post i mean) "

[Grey Wolf]

:double post:

[Grey Wolf]

I'm a bit confused by the main page on that first site. Quenya is the tongue of the Noldor, and Sindarin is the tongue of the Sindar, or Grey Elves. What are they talking about calling Sindarin the "noble tongue"?

BTW, I'm partial to Quenya and Adunaic myself. Here's a quiz for you: What does Helkanar translate to?

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I'm a bit confused by the main page on that first site. Quenya is the tongue of the Noldor, and Sindarin is the tongue of the Sindar, or Grey Elves. What are they talking about calling Sindarin the "noble tongue"?

Probably this was a reference that came out of the Third Age. By the time of LOTR, the Exilic Noldor that left Valinor and came to Middle Earth to pursue Morgoth at the beginning of the First Age of the Sun had either returned to Valinor or were so thouroughly interbred with the Sindar that they were no longer Noldorin but were really Sindar. By the time of LOTR, no one in Middle Earth really spoke (or had a need to speak) Noldorin; most of the Elves in Middle Earth at the time spoke Sindarin and were overheard speaking Sindarin by the other races (men, dwarves, etc.). Quenya at this time was only known by the Elvish scholars and loremasters (and of course the Istari) and wasn't really spoken all that much by Sindarin Elves in general. The "noble tongue" reference probably came from the other races as they heard Sindarin and thought it to be a beautiful language. (Quenya, being so old and rarely spoken, was almost never heard by the other races, and so never had the chance to be described by the other races as a noble tongue.)

I think I remember this correctly.

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
BTW, I'm partial to Quenya and Adunaic myself. Here's a quiz for you: What does Helkanar translate to?

Give me a day or so and I'll have an answer for you.

[Su-tehp]

Ok, Maeglamor, I came up with a reasonable translation of "stab the dark" which is the closest I've come so far to a literal rendition of "pierce the darkness"

In Sindarin, "stab the dark" roughly translates as "eithaimor", with "eitha-" being the stem form for "stab", "i" being "the" and "mor" of course being "dark".

As for "Helkanar", Grey Wolf, if you're sure this is Quenya, then I'll try to find an answer now.

EDIT: Ok, I think I got it. "Helka" means "ice" or "icecold" and "anar" means "sun" so "Helkanar" means "Icesun" or perhaps "Coldsun".

[Grey Wolf]

I used the back of the Silmarrilion, and it listed -nar as being "flame", hence, Ice-Flame or Cold-Flame.

[Su-tehp]

Ok, so I was really close.

I REALLY gotta get me a copy of that Quenya Etymologies in the Long Road.