[Black Wolf]

IIRC, we never find out what exactly Gibosn and Sarno did on the Iceni - they might have been first and second officer or they might have been communications officers, or the chief/s of ETAK security, or engineers thtat designed ETAK, or whatever. Plus, the Shivans could have simply grabbed everyone in the room that Bosch happened to be in.

[redsniper]

and now Bosch is some Shivan's love slave:lol:

Seriously though, when Bosch communicated with the Shivans he was probably under the impression he would just walk off with them, but instead the Shivans just grabbed Bosch and threw him in a cargo container or something.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Then they wouldn't have took Sarno, et al.

that still leaves gibson. WHAT ABOUT THE GIBSON?!?!?[/i]

[StarGunner]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
"Some possible explanations:
-They didn't have the right or enough resources to make a second."
Yeah, and Christina Aguilera is concert master in the New York Philiharmonic Orchestra. If they can build 110 Santhanas juggernauts, they can build as many Lucifers as they want.

"-The Lucifer costs allot of mulla (or resources) and since it can be destroyed in subspace it wouldn't be a great idea. Not to mention it would collapse nodes and may be bad in the long run for them."
As I said previously, if the bugs can field 110 Sathanases and purposely sacrifice them to destroy a star (talk about wasted resources), they can build plenty of Lucifers.

"-There are more but the shivans didn't want to or could not get them to the area in which FS2 happens fast enough."
They probably didn't want to.

"-They lost the plans."
Almost impossible.

"-The Lucifer's shields couldn't stop beams."
BINGO! Now that the GTVA has beams, the Lucifer's main defense is useless. Besides its Shivan Super Lasers, it has no real weapons, so the Colossus or even a couple of destroyers would rip it to pieces.

"-After contact with the terrans in Gamma Draconis, a Lucifer task force would not work."
They didn't want to bring out Lucifers against an adversary with beams. The Lucifer is nothing more than a terror weapon, and once it's shields are defeated, it's much less terrifying.

"-They just wanted to blow up the Cappella star. And that was their plan all along."
I don't think Lucifers would be big enough to accomodate the gravity-warping thingamabobs

"-A combo of these."
Read my explanations.

"And of course this opens up more questions like, 'Did the shivans have Sathanas during FS1?', 'Is the Sathanas main purpose to blow up stars?'"
The Sathanas is probably a different sort of terror weapon that the Shivans use when their enemy doesn't get the message the first time around. Its main purpose is to scare the **** out of other races and destroy their fleets as well (that's why it has FOUR BFReds).

WTF Is the about? mabe they don't use mammy! ever think of that they are I highly advanced race with the power to blow up a star for CRICE SAKE! AND AUBUVE ALL ELSS IT'S A GAME DON'T POUT LOGIC INTO IT!

[Solatar]

Originally posted by StarGunner


WTF Is the about? mabe they don't use mammy! ever think of that they are I highly advanced race with the power to blow up a star for CRICE SAKE! AND AUBUVE ALL ELSS IT'S A GAME DON'T POUT LOGIC INTO IT!

shut-up:rolleyes:....
Some people enjoy doing this.

[HotSnoJ]

Originally posted by StarGunner

WTF Is the about? mabe they don't use mammy! ever think of that they are I highly advanced race with the power to blow up a star for CRICE SAKE! AND AUBUVE ALL ELSS IT'S A GAME DON'T POUT LOGIC INTO IT!

One question: Why should we listen to you when you can't spell 'above' (aubuve), 'put' (pout), and Christ (crice). And is 'mammy'?

AND AUBUVE ALL ELSS IT'S A GAME DON'T POUT LOGIC INTO IT!

That's the fun part. BTW most games have some sort of real world stuff in it. And all games must have logic, if it didn't then it wouldn't be a game at all.


Also people, please get back on topic! the question was why the Shivans didn't use a Lucifer in FS2. Not how/why subspace works and some other things that were talked about.



StarGunner, for 814 posts you sure sound like a noob.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Black Wolf
IIRC, we never find out what exactly Gibosn and Sarno did on the Iceni - they might have been first and second officer or they might have been communications officers, or the chief/s of ETAK security, or engineers thtat designed ETAK, or whatever. Plus, the Shivans could have simply grabbed everyone in the room that Bosch happened to be in.

Sarno was an admiral..... probably in the upper echelons of NTF command, and he likely had his own ship.  With Bosch's ETAK plans building to a head, and the Colossus tearing holes in their fleet, I'd imagine Bosch transferred his key staff to the Iceni.

[WMCoolmon]

A thought...considering the high level of resistance, doesn't that suggest that there was some sort of higher-level tactical commander directing the Iceni's crew?

And if that's the case, wouldn't that suggest that Bosch tried to resist the Shivans, at least sometime after they boarded?

[Corentor]

I guess the most simple reason would be that the Lucifer is designed as a recon HQ vessel leading recon/scientific fleets which were not frontline combat units.

It would make sense in resolving the strange question of why Cains and Liliths all of a sudden had beams mounted on them in FS2 or why more advanced Shivan designs like the Ravana or the Rakshasas weren't whipped out in FS1.

In addition it could also conviently explain away the fact why the Lucifer her fleet managed to pop up in Ross and other places in FS1 where in FS2 the Shivians didn't and restricted their entry from the G. Draconis node.  That being maybe those ships in FS1 were really just scientific vessels with special engines for unstable jump nodes.  The Lucifer's fleet stumbled upon the the Humans and Vasudans going at it, deduced that they were primative monkeys who could be dispatched without calling in the military.

As for the shield issue...maybe they operate on a mothership idea and the military mothership just didn't show up in FS2?

Thats my stab at it.

[DeepSpace9er]

I think the Lucifer was the pride of the Shivan fleet: It had screwed and destroyed the Ancients and they intended to screw and destroy the Vasudans and Terrans. When it got blown in notexistence-somewhereotherplace, they said "screw 8000 year old technology..." and went all out making Sathanas. Then, being pissed, they went to show the Terrans they are not to be trifled with and blew Capella into the next universe.

As for the origin of the Shivans, i once thought that they probably were a bio-bot race controlled by the Ancients who ran them under a mastermind bot. The bot was responsible for the portals and the military fleet, similar to the Roman Empire. Then the bots rebelled, and with the fleet at its desposal, destroyed the Ancient's civilization. When it was all over, the Shivans had a fleet but left it without upgrading it. When they encoutered the Terrans, they tried to wipe them out without using the main force. Read the rest above.