[an0n]

I hope they level the Statue of Liberty.

Puely for the comedic value of all the "Should we rebuild it?" "Well it was French, so....".

[Woolie Wool]

Posting flamebait is one thing, mocking our most treasured institutions and symbols is another.

[CP5670]

I actually rather like an0n's posts on politics, as they have a unique perspective and a degree of common sense seldom seen in other posts.

[Knight Templar]

Woolie, stop posting moronic pictures all over the place. It ain't like we haven't all seen them enough times to make our eyes bleed...

[Woolie Wool]

Find someone for me to vent my rage and fury on. I feel like ripping an0n's organs out and throwing them at him.

[LtNarol]

War is not perfect, war is not clean, war is not bloodless, war is not fun.  Collateral casualties will always exist, and no matter how well prepared a military is and no matter how much technology progresses, people will die.  That’s simple fact.

Few people have been confronted with so many difficult decisions that affect so many people as those that have confronted Bush, and while his choices don’t always turn out to carry the best results, I’d like to see any of you try and do better.  He has my respect, and unless you can outperform him in anything other than grammar, he’s earned yours as well.

Think before you judge.

[an0n]

Originally posted by LtNarol
War is not perfect, war is not clean, war is not bloodless, war is not fun.  Collateral casualties will always exist, and no matter how well prepared a military is and no matter how much technology progresses, people will die.  That’s simple fact.

~-=™! No, that's an appauling excuse. !™=-~

Few people have been confronted with so many difficult decisions that affect so many people as those that have confronted Bush, and while his choices don’t always turn out to carry the best results, I’d like to see any of you try and do better.  

~-=™! If I could get the Republican party to rig an election for me, I would. !™=-~

He has my respect, and unless you can outperform him in anything other than grammar, he’s earned yours as well.

~-=™! I can outperform him in every aspect. !™=-~

Think before you judge.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by LtNarol
War is not perfect, war is not clean, war is not bloodless, war is not fun.  Collateral casualties will always exist, and no matter how well prepared a military is and no matter how much technology progresses, people will die.  That’s simple fact.

Few people have been confronted with so many difficult decisions that affect so many people as those that have confronted Bush, and while his choices don’t always turn out to carry the best results, I’d like to see any of you try and do better.  He has my respect, and unless you can outperform him in anything other than grammar, he’s earned yours as well.

Think before you judge.

I agree 100%.

War is not like a sterile Star Trek fantasy. It is a bloody, awful thing. But often war is better than letting people suffer under the iron grip of monstrous dictators.

As for the President, he has one of the toughest job in the world. He makes extremely difficult decisions every day, and he should be respected, even if he does slip his tongue in an embarrasing manner now and then.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

Being Insidious was at one time an art form.  Now however, you just come off looking like a second rate poser.  Welcome to ignore Anon.  Maybe if you didn't try so hard to be uncaring, you would actually pull it off.

[Grey Wolf]

I don't dislike Bush because of his decisions involving Afghanistan or during the war. I dislike him because:
1. He made us invade Iraq when there was no immediate threat using exaggerated intelligence.
2. He treats everything as a PR stunt (this goes for most politicians).
3. He cuts the taxes when we can't afford it (into the red we go.....)
4. He wants to go and abuse the national parks/preserves for short-term industrial gain.
5. He doesn't give a **** about the enviroment.

[Galemp]

Originally posted by an0n
I hope they level the Statue of Liberty.

Puely for the comedic value of all the "Should we rebuild it?" "Well it was French, so..."

I'll have to think about this one... seriously. After 'Freedom Fries' and 'Liberty Toast' who knows what could happen.

Anon's views are extremely blunt and to the point, usually offensive, but they are nonetheless well thought out and logical. (From my point of view, anyway. I'm a fascist myself.) He succeeds in pissing off a lot of people, but most of those people are pissed because they hear what he's saying and don't want to think about it. I agree with many of Anon's views, though I consider myself more tactful and don't express them as such.

Moving on... My thoughts on the bombing? I believe that the UN was castrated when the US invaded Iraq. It was founded to stop exactly this sort of thing from happening; it's now officially powerless as far as international peacekeeping goes. They excel at humanitarian aid, education, and preservation of World Heritage Sites, since that's all happy stuff everybody supports. But when it gets down to the dirty work, the UN doesn't have enough power or influence to do anything.
Now that the war is "over" the UN is faced with a problem it's faced before, and CAN handle: thousands of starving and homeless in a war-torn country. I see them as an exasperated third party trying to help rebuild things in Iraq, while the Iraqis and Americans constantly bicker and snipe at each other. Bombing the UN and assassinating their head honcho isn't going to help anything for anybody. It's a sad, pointless, tragic loss that will lead to more chaos and bloodshed in the Middle East.

But then, what isn't?

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by an0n
Also, I find it a little odd that you refer to me as though you were anywhere near being my equal.

Your equal in... what?

[Rictor]

KT, shut up and stop feeding the attntion whores. It was funny the first 50 times, now its just stupid. You damn well know that he's just trying to incite a flamewar.

I agree with Grey Wolf about why I don't like Bush. First of all, he stole the election. By something along the lines of 500,000 votes. Then, he manufactured evidence for the war in Iraq. Then, the killed several thousand Iraqi civilians. Then he have his friends corporate contracts to rebuild Iraq, which is dispicable (war profiteering). He's a warmonger and an opportunist. He used 9/11 as an excuse to expand American power and do whatever he wants under the guise of "fighting terorism". Oh, and thats not even to mentions his policies on the environment, on taxes (screw the poor, help the corps) aswell as that whole "screw the UN" thing.

He does have a tough job. In politics, the hardest job is to be good, despite all temptations to be otherwise. He has failed at that job. I could do a much better job as President than he has. I would, lets see:

- Not steal the election
- Not be bought out by the corporations
- Not back out of 30 years worth of non-proliferatrion treaties
- Not give thw world the finger, thereby making America the most hated country in the world
- Not go to war with 2 coutries in 3 years
- Not screw up the envirnment
- Not seek exemption from the Internation Criminal Court
- Not cut funding to education, welfare, healthcare etc etc


He is doing a lousy job. Not because he's is incapable of doing it better, but becuase he is unwilling.

[Falcon X]

Oh God, the ICC.  You don't understand why we didn't go into it do you?  There are no checks and balances.  IT decides period.  The thing would be a circus.  Now if it was properly set up with some good checks then maybe.

[Falcon X]

Also, the man was in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.  Do I retaliate and look like a bully, or sit back and look like a wimp?  Hard decision.

Oh and many national parks that you're claming he wants to go into were made by Clinton.  For example, in Utah.  They have one of the largest coal reserves underground.  It's also one of the cleaner coals.  Now who's it competing with ?  Indonesia's reserve.  Who did Clinton get contributions from?  Indonesia.  Seems a little weird to me chief.

[Rictor]

Look like a wimp? The world isn't a highschool football team and international politics isn't a dick measuring contest. Who gives a **** about how high American testasterone levels are. You can't simply go around the world throwing bombs because you want to be macho. War is never (okay, never say never, but almost never) the answer. Instead of asking yourselves "Why would someone go through all the trouble to crash a plane into our building, he must have a very good reason", you simply decided to take the route of revenge, and went to kick the **** out of a country far smaller than yourselves. And has anything been accomplished? The Karzai government has rule over Kabul, and thats about it. The rest is still in the hands of tribal groups and the Taliban, oth f which are gaining ground every day. bin Laden is still at lage, and Al-Queda are still as strong as ever.

Oh and, perhaps and interesting fact: The production of poppy (used to make heroin, opium etc  etc) has gone up 18 FOLD since the Americans invaded. You think maybe they have a hand in that?

As for the ICC. Let me ask you something, how much sense does it make for the Court to apply to every country in the world EXCEPT America? The ICC would be an impartial court, free from American control, unlike the Hauge and others. Bush got scared that America (the citizens aswell as the politicians) would be help responsible for their actions, without the US being able to strong-arm their way out of it. You can't have double-standards and say "Americans are better than everyone else, we don't have to follow rules". The ICC would level the playing field, nothing more.

[TheCelestialOne]

Originally posted by Rictor
Look like a wimp? The world isn't a highschool football team and international politics isn't a dick measuring contest.

Eh, I think you just described politics as a whole

You can't simply go around the world throwing bombs because you want to be macho.

If ya got the bombs ya can. But the consequences are yours

War is never (okay, never say never, but almost never) the answer. Instead of asking yourselves "Why would someone go through all the trouble to crash a plane into our building, he must have a very good reason", you simply decided to take the route of revenge, and went to kick the **** out of a country far smaller than yourselves.

**** that, if someone crashes a car in my backyard killing my family you can count on my getting my 4 x 4 and smash the guys head in like a tomato.

I mean, I'm against the war in Iraq as that was not in any real way connected with the "war against terrorism" and was just a plain stupid descision.

But when you see a terrorist feel free to shoot his head off his shoulders. They shouldn't go killing for their cause either. If they want to make a point don't crash a plane in a big ass building with numerous innocents. It'd be more understandable if they crashed it into the pentagon/white house alone.

And has anything been accomplished?

As I said, the war in Iraq was wrong at this time. The war on Terrorism should be the only single war they should be concentrating on. Not inciting the entire Islamic world to eventually rally against the western world. I mean its not like they are gaining any goodwill down there right now.

Oh and, perhaps and interesting fact: The production of poppy (used to make heroin, opium etc  etc) has gone up 18 FOLD since the Americans invaded. You think maybe they have a hand in that?

If the US would only look at Holland. We are relaxed man! I mean we no such bull as major drug problems as soft drugs have been legalized. Those legal drugs are "clean" instead of your usual toxic waste they call soft drugs.

Also we have trouble with hard drugs, but not nearly as many (even in comparison of size and power) problems as the US with it.

As for the ICC. Let me ask you something, how much sense does it make for the Court to apply to every country in the world EXCEPT America? The ICC would be an impartial court, free from American control, unlike the Hauge and others. Bush got scared that America (the citizens aswell as the politicians) would be help responsible for their actions, without the US being able to strong-arm their way out of it. You can't have double-standards and say "Americans are better than everyone else, we don't have to follow rules". The ICC would level the playing field, nothing more.

I kinda agree with you on that point.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by TheCelestialOne

Eh, I think you just described politics as a whole
 

That's what politics is all about.