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Offline Stryke 9

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Tell you what. Go find a copy of, oh, say Jerry Rubin's Do it!, maybe Hoffman's Revolution for the Hell of it if you can get it, read one of those, then come back and tell me the anarchists are just out there to do a little smashy-smashy with Starbucks windows. Go read Abbey's Desert Solitaire and then you can try and make the claim that the environmental activist groups are just violent idiots. Get it from the horse's mouth, go read what they've been trying to communicate for years except that the news services always seem to suddenly lose interest when people stop breaking things and start explaining what's wrong in the first place. They're one ****load a better source on the noisemakers than FOX news.
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Offline aldo_14

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...And you have no clue about what the anarchists are trying to accomplish, either.


Nothing insofar as I can tell.  

Anarchy implies the complete breakdown of civillisation and the human 'group', basically returning to the stone-age tribal civillisation.  

I don't see the point, nevermind how organized riots help that cause (or the laughable and somewhat tragic thread to rip up the *name escapes me* gold course when  the summit is in scotland).  I mean, if they really want anarchy there's plenty of large, open spaces they can **** off too and live.

And i am being careful to distinguish the organized, peaceful (anti globalisation, anti-war and whatnot) protestors from the various nutcases.

 

Offline diamondgeezer

Friend of mine who studies politics at Uni is an anarchist - he explains it as basically being about anti-globalisation and the removal of any kind of centralised government. Which is daft if you ask me. No point fighting the future

 

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Friend of mine who studies politics at Uni is an anarchist - he explains it as basically being about anti-globalisation and the removal of any kind of centralised government. Which is daft if you ask me. No point fighting the future


We should just reserve the Isle of Wight as an anarchy zone, build a big wall around it and let 'em go there.

Simple as that.

 

Offline Stryke 9

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There's anarchy and there's anarchy.

And the future is nowhere near as certain as most like to think. What do you imagine will happen to the concept of globalization in twenty years, when we completely run out of fossil fuels? Barring some deus ex machina like fusion, that's basically the end of any society that extends beyond covered-wagon distance (and that only in the places that still have horses or other pack animals). Fuel cells require oil to produce, as do most other alternative power sources (barring low-wattage sources like solar and some very primitive versions of wind power, which could be rigged up by clever individuals to yield enough to operate basic industries and maybe even keep the lights going, no more).

How about all those nukes scattered across the still-Balkanized East European nations? It'd be foolish to assume they aren't ever gonna go anywhere, and a well-placed tactical nuclear warhead would put an end to the sort of politics you and I are so familiar with instantly.

Globalization is inevitable if you assume that the US will remain the oligarchic corporate republic it is today for at least fifty more years, and will maintain total international supremacy over that entire span. Anything less, and the globalist movement will fail.


Centralized government, of course, would be a tougher nut to crack. We'll pretty much always have it, it's human nature to seek power and so long as we seek it the stronger force in any society will always find a way to obtain it. Aside from a few very small communes and (supposedly) some of the experimental arcologies, and maybe Athens if one is generous with the term, there's never been a self-sufficient decentralized government. And since that's the real target of the anarchic movement, yeah, it's a bit of an idealist movement. But what's wrong with idealism?

  

Offline Martinus

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...And you have no clue about what the anarchists are trying to accomplish, either.


Yay for our wonderful news media, who doens't give a **** about anything unless it has a body count. And yay in particular for people who don't pay any mind to anything but the sensationalist shrieking they hear on the TV. Where would we be without them. Where indeed...

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