[Rictor]

Uhm, and now for the esoteric...

I've discovered that someone actually wrote (and performed) a rock opera based on the life and eventual overthrow of Mohammed Mossadegh. Entitled, appropriately enough, Mossadegh. It's actually pretty decent, especially the first few parts.

Ha! Beat that for obscurity.

[Flipside]

but Black metal?

I've usually responded - If you don't know, you're probably better off not knowing, but this link should suffice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal

ive been listening to bm for about 5 years now and i find issues with that article, though it does accurately discribe the sound and to some degree the themes of the genre. and the page seems to have a great number of its facts in dispute.

Inclined to agree with you there, for a start, I don't hold that Black Metal was born post 1980's. It started to become popular at that time, but had been knocking around for a great deal longer.

As for all this 'Tolkein Metal' and 'Nord Metal' sub-genres, the names of those genres sound too comical to be take seriously to be honest.

[Killfrenzy]

Steeleye Span and Silly Wizard come to mind, especially the latter. (British folk from twenty years ago.)

Seconded. 

As for me, one group springs to mind:

SABATON!!!!!!!

Through the gates of hell as we make our way to heaven through the Nazi lines. Primo Victoria!

- Primo Victoria

To their own shore came the world war
Gleaves and the Ingham
leading the Bury west
in their own track came the wolfpack
Gleaves led the convoy
into the hornets nest

- Wolfpack

The huge amounts of yayness cannot be understated.

[NGTM-1R]

I'm the only person on this board who doesn't like metal of any kind, aren't I?

<,< >,>

* ngtm1r flees.

[Janos]

but Black metal?

I've usually responded - If you don't know, you're probably better off not knowing, but this link should suffice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal

ive been listening to bm for about 5 years now and i find issues with that article, though it does accurately discribe the sound and to some degree the themes of the genre. and the page seems to have a great number of its facts in dispute.

Well to be honest most of the discussion is the same old "THIS is not BM but THIS is!! ur dumb" that has been quite prevalent in metal/electronica circles for... decades, I think. It's also pretty much irrelevant to the topic at hand. If we're talking about BM, we usually want to know what it entails and generally what it is like. Throwing a tantrum about how suicidial black metal is definately not black metal because troo kvlt bm always has absolutely no C5 chords is ridiculous.
Black metal and most other metal genres too are such diverse groups that trying to pinpoint it down to certain attributes results in unwanted suffering and comedy. You can also look at any dance/trance/techno/dnb/whatever discussion and notice the very same discussion dragging on there. It's actually worse sometimes.

With my limited experience of black metal (I think in later half of 1990s) that article does quite a good job in describing what BM in general is. NOT BOWEL MOVEMENT YOU CREEPY CREEPS

End offtopic.

If we want to go into good bands no-one's ever heard of (except my music-elitist faggot friends [including me])
- Vitalic
- Oscar H.O.T Quartet
- Dog Fashion Disco
- Aavikko and Add N to X - these are cult bands though
- Deerhoof
- metallica and u2

[Killfrenzy]

I'm the only person on this board who doesn't like metal of any kind, aren't I?

<,< >,>

* ngtm1r flees.

I didn't a few months ago, but then a friend of mine introduced me to DragonForce and Sabaton - Starfire and Primo Victoria respectively - and I'm hooked.

I'm very picky though!

[aldo_14]

I'm the only person on this board who doesn't like metal of any kind, aren't I?

<,< >,>

* ngtm1r flees.

No.

Well, stainless steel is quite nice.

[Ford Prefect]

EL OH EL!!!11

[Nuke]

but Black metal?

I've usually responded - If you don't know, you're probably better off not knowing, but this link should suffice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal

ive been listening to bm for about 5 years now and i find issues with that article, though it does accurately discribe the sound and to some degree the themes of the genre. and the page seems to have a great number of its facts in dispute.

Well to be honest most of the discussion is the same old "THIS is not BM but THIS is!! ur dumb" that has been quite prevalent in metal/electronica circles for... decades, I think. It's also pretty much irrelevant to the topic at hand. If we're talking about BM, we usually want to know what it entails and generally what it is like. Throwing a tantrum about how suicidial black metal is definately not black metal because troo kvlt bm always has absolutely no C5 chords is ridiculous.
Black metal and most other metal genres too are such diverse groups that trying to pinpoint it down to certain attributes results in unwanted suffering and comedy. You can also look at any dance/trance/techno/dnb/whatever discussion and notice the very same discussion dragging on there. It's actually worse sometimes.

With my limited experience of black metal (I think in later half of 1990s) that article does quite a good job in describing what BM in general is. NOT BOWEL MOVEMENT YOU CREEPY CREEPS

End offtopic.

If we want to go into good bands no-one's ever heard of (except my music-elitist faggot friends [including me])
- Vitalic
- Oscar H.O.T Quartet
- Dog Fashion Disco
- Aavikko and Add N to X - these are cult bands though
- Deerhoof
- metallica and u2

it is true that 90% of the arguments about whats black metal and whats not is mostly nonsence. true and cult status is a load of nonesence as well. there arent really many true bands, burum and mayhem are the only ones i can name. the early bands were close knit and the desicion to burn down churches was at the instigation of one man (varg). this was picked up by the fans, who completely misunderstood what had happened in the bm community. thus troo became the name of any band who sacrificed a church or a life for the genre (dispite the fact that no further atrocities acts of pagan dominance seemed to have been commited). as for kvlt, i dont even know what that is. i guess what they call troo or kvlt, i call old skool (even though what i call old skool is considered the 2nd generation of bm). generally i think when you start getting into sub-sub genres, its just the fans taking things way too far.

[Bobboau]

I'm the only person on this board who doesn't like metal of any kind, aren't I?

<,< >,>

* ngtm1r flees.

did you not listen to the links I posted in the first responce to this thread?

well, ok I do like metal a bit, but still!

[NGTM-1R]

I did, but I automatically assume anyone I encounter on Teh Interwebs likes metal, because about 87.5% of the time it's true.