[Nuke]

tng was fine it was voyager that rped it with its warp 10 episode

[Scuddie]

TOS, TNG, and DS9 were based around exploration, conflict, and mystery involving very diverse and contrasting roles.  Voyager and Enterprise were about drama and relationships between nearly identical characters.  That's why Trek died a painful death after Voyager.

[Mongoose]

The final season of Enterprise would like to argue that point with you very strongly.

[karajorma]

The final season of Enterprise would like to argue that point with you very strongly.

And then it would bring up space Nazis and lose.


To be honest though I didn't mind bits of Enterprise. Series 3 for instance was actually pretty good. Voyager was almost across the board complete dross though. And dross that completed First Contacts pussification of the Borg. I can forgive First Contact for it cause it was good.

[Akalabeth Angel]

To be honest though I didn't mind bits of Enterprise. Series 3 for instance was actually pretty good. Voyager was almost across the board complete dross though. And dross that completed First Contacts pussification of the Borg. I can forgive First Contact for it cause it was good.

      I still can't believe that bit of an episode I saw where a shuttle, a SHUTTLE disabled a freaking Borg cube. I don't give a **** if the Cube is busted up, and it's under manned. You're still just in a piece of **** shuttle which should've been vaporized in the first hit just like the fighters which launched from Saturn in TBoBW were.

      Enterprise was okay because it actually had some space battles. Too bad all of those battles were completely and utterly boring.

[Mars]

Hmmm

Voyager > Enterprise

[karajorma]

Hmmm

Voyager > Enterprise

You're really going to need to explain that one. Especially why anything in Voyager was better than series 3 of Enterprise.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Hmmm

Voyager > Enterprise

You're really going to need to explain that one. Especially why anything in Voyager was better than series 3 of Enterprise.

        Why do you funny brits call it a Series instead of a Season.

[Mars]

Because Voyager, though still hoakie, still had a certain Trekish feel. The cheesy character development was really no worse than anything in TNG.

Enterprise consisted, for two seasons, of wandering around aimlessly in a giant bubble of space in a thinly veiled commentary about the US invasion of the middle east. The characters, though somewhat developed, ended up being mostly whiny and annoying, and the whole "temporal cold war" thing got old really fast.

[Mongoose]

And then it would bring up space Nazis and lose.

I was referring to the fourth season, which only had space Nazis in the first episode because Manny Coto had to clean up the awful mess that Berman and Braga left at the end of season three. The rest of the final season was quite excellent (well, at least up until the finale, which had Berman and Braga all over it again); the "old-look" Klingon origin story and the mirror universe episodes were real stand-outs in particular.

(As a side note, I rather enjoyed most of Voyager, as it was the first Trek series I watched regularly.  I've always been a big Janeway fan.  And 7's Lycra...yum.)

[Martinus]

I think Voyager pressed the reset button to the point of ludicrousness. I got bored halfway through the first season of Enterprise. TNG is still the high-point of Trek for me, DS9 had so much potential but pretty much lost it in the final season; the last few episodes were especially weak.

[Kosh]

I think Voyager pressed the reset button to the point of ludicrousness. I got bored halfway through the first season of Enterprise. TNG is still the high-point of Trek for me, DS9 had so much potential but pretty much lost it in the final season; the last few episodes were especially weak.

The last part of DS9 was clearly rushed, and they barely bothered to make new sfx for the final battle (which was really annoying). The first few seasons of Enterprise really did suck, way worse than anything Voyager had to offer, but later it did get better. The problem with Enterprise was that those first seasons were so horrible they turned off a large part of the audience before it got good.

[Mongoose]

I find myself in the odd position in the fandom of having somewhat of a distaste for much of TNG that I've seen, though I'll certainly watch it if the opportunity comes up.  Picard's "perfect man" spiel comes on somewhat too strong for me...I kind of prefer Kirk's do-the-chick-and-blow-up-everything-else attitude.

[Scuddie]

Picard was a man with a very strong sense of discipline.  The spiel was SUPPOSED to come off strong .  Besides, if every main character didn't have his own overly emphasized personality trait, the show would be boring as all hell.  What would TNG be without the truly disciplined, the quintessential leader, the brave warrior, the genuinely curious, the true friend, the empathetic sympathizer, the bold tinkerer, the wise confidant, and...  the Shelly Long-esque extra character that nobody really cares about?  Eh, it'd probably be Voyager, where everyone is nearly identical to everyone else.

[Kosh]

Eh, it'd probably be Voyager, where everyone is nearly identical to everyone else.

The Doctor was easily the best character through the whole show.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Eh, it'd probably be Voyager, where everyone is nearly identical to everyone else.

The Doctor was easily the best character through the whole show.

      I liked Neelix too.
      Everyone else is just a blur. Some black vulcan, some asian, some white guy, some tattoo guy, some school marm pretending to be a captain, and the requisite half breed. Oh and some babe pretending to act.

[Mars]

Um .. . they do have distinctive personality traits . . . it could be that your problem is that they don't have the whole first season dedicated to character development like TNG. Now Voyager did have faults . . . but honestly long drawn out soliloquies and speeches like in TNG bore the hell out of me.

Oh, and should this thread be split /  renamed?

[Kosh]

No, it is all about stuff related to Star Trek, the discussion just evolved that way.

[karajorma]

        Why do you funny brits call it a Series instead of a Season.

Series - a group or a number of related or similar things, events, etc., arranged or occurring in temporal, spatial, or other order or succession; sequence.

Season - one of the four periods of the year (spring, summer, autumn, and winter), beginning astronomically at an equinox or solstice, but geographically at different dates in different climates

Think you can see why right there. When the yanks stop taking 5 month breaks between episodes of a show and then still insisting it's part of the same season we might consider using their word. But then again it's still pretty stupid to refer to it as a seaons once it's on DVD.

[Mongoose]

I don't see it myself.  Considering that most TV shows are divided into regular-length episode chunks that start and end at close to the same time each year (barring strike wankery and the oddball show or two), and further considering that every episode of a show falls into "a group or number of related or similar things, arranged in some order of succession or sequence," I think our terms work just fine.