[Dilmah G]

  That's a good one

(missionary, with the lights out, for the sole purpose of procreation)

I mean seriously, I threaten iamzack all the time.  it's not a big deal.

Not about a half-assed analogy to conservative views on sex do you?

[General Battuta]

If sex is fun, and you're healthy about it, there's no harm in having multiple partners. As long as you're not putting other people at risk, it's your decision, and the consequences are yours to deal with.

Let me just say this:
Shooting yourself in the head is also your decision and puts nobody else at risk. Yet, if everyone started doing it, humanity would cease to exist.

Not all types of behaviours are equal - this stands to reason. Not all behaviours are good for the society or the culture.
Wanting for people to behave better overall is a good thing.

Let me finish this off -

Shooting yourself in the head is not a fundamental human motivation with a built-in reward. Sex is on the same level as game-playing, social interaction, and eating as something people should be allowed and even encouraged to do.

I agree that 'wanting for people to behave better overall is a good thing', but in my view, that includes more safe and socially respected sex.

For instance, if I were a woman, let's say I wanted to pose for a calendar. In today's society, I wouldn't be able to do so without possible consequences; for example, I could probably never become a teacher, and I'd run the risk of being fired from some office jobs if it were ever discovered. That kind of moral weight shouldn't be placed on a sexual act.

[Liberator]

battutta

I don't understand your position.

Sex, despite everything else, IS a weighty act with weighty consequences.  It should have more value than a pack of crackers from the local convenience store.

[The E]

Shooting yourself in the head is not a fundamental human motivation with a built-in reward. Sex is on the same level as game-playing, social interaction, and eating as something people should be allowed and even encouraged to do.

I guess what he's saying is that having Sex should not be penalized. Since it is something that we as a species are hardwired to not only do but enjoy, imposing arbitrary rules on it seems a bit weird to those among us who truly are liberated.

[iamzack]

I guess what he's saying is that having Sex should not be penalized. Since it is something that we as a species are hardwired to not only do but enjoy, imposing arbitrary rules on it seems a bit weird to those among us who truly are liberated.

QFT

[General Battuta]

battutta

I don't understand your position.

Sex, despite everything else, IS a weighty act with weighty consequences.  It should have more value than a pack of crackers from the local convenience store.

Oh, absolutely. Which is why people should understand and respect sex, rather than fearing it.

Look, my positions on sex don't advocate constant promiscuity. Personally, monogamy is something I'm in favor of. But people should be able to have safe, healthy sex when they need to, instead of being driven to unsafe practices by social taboos and fear.

Sex workers would have much better lives, for instance, if we didn't all view them as evil whores, rather than as economic and social victims.

Getting a driver's license is a weighty act with weighty consequences. Everybody learns a lot about driving as they grow up, and when it's finally time to get a license, their friends have talked to them about it, they've had classes, they can go to their parents or teachers if they have questions...see the metaphor?

Moreover, if someone wants to have sex, and both parties consent, they should be able to do so - they're adults, after all, they can accept the consequences as they choose.

And what do you think about my example of posing for a calendar?

I guess what he's saying is that having Sex should not be penalized. Since it is something that we as a species are hardwired to not only do but enjoy, imposing arbitrary rules on it seems a bit weird to those among us who truly are liberated.

Yes! Although, as I mentioned, it's not just the really horny who favor these views - I've been monogamous my entire life.

[The E]

Yeah, but I guess you are monogamous because you like it that way, not simply because society expects you to be.

[General Battuta]

Yeah, but I guess you are monogamous because you like it that way, not simply because society expects you to be.

Yes. And I'm lucky, too - I've been in one stable relationship. That's not a realistic or likely expectation for most people.

[Dilmah G]

Yes, you are very lucky. I will say though that the less superficial the culture, the more likely you will be lucky enough to be with the first one you meet and find true love. Some of it does depend on the culture, but probably mostly luck and no doubt being smart who you choose.

Again with the culture mate, being with the first one you meet and "Finding True Love" is about as likely as someone finding one person attractive their whole lives, it just doesn't happen. People with a reasonable thought process and the ability to overcome obstacles and whatnot are able to keep "Playing the game" until they find someone they like, rather than putting all your money on the one horse. I'd say almost none of it is a product of culture, it is ALL luck and a bit of intelligence regarding your choice, but in a day and age where having a girlfriend in high-school is a normal and common thing it's a weak thing to hope for IMO. There's a reason that kind of thing is common in fairytales. On a core level I don't think you shouldn't hope for it, but the likelihood is amazingly slim even in small/sheltered communities.

[Colonol Dekker]

This topic bores me.....

[Flipside]

Really? I've been laughing my ass off, it's kind of like watching Continental Truck drivers discuss nuclear physics, every so often someone hits on a point, but it's totally lost in the huge tidal wave of assumption...

Edit: Oh, and the threads locked Didn't realise...