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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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And then some American politicians still don't understand why tens of thousands of people protest at WTO or G8 meetings, or why nutcase fanaitcs are bent on flying planes into buildings.

This thing, if it's true, is nothing more than the most blatant exponent of global imperialism on an interplanetary scale.

If it's true and it passes... the US should expect troubles, big troubles.
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Well, nobody is going to obey it and it could not be enforced, so it will just turn into a joke like the drug restrictions thing did back in the 1930s...

 

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Still, I can't believe the US would vote something like this into law. It would kill of your most vibrant industry faster than you can say "Relocate to China"
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C'n you say 'hackers ****in' over ev'ry gov'rm'nt computer in th' US'? I know y' can.
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Hackers of the world, Unite!

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Well, nobody is going to obey it and it could not be enforced, so it will just turn into a joke like the drug restrictions thing did back in the 1930s...


CP, I don't think you're paying attention. Your compliance is not required. The equipment manufacturer's compliance is required. Microsoft's compliance is required. Gamespy.com's compliance is required. Yours? Not at all.

If this bill passes, your compliance become a fait accompli. At some point, you will not be able to buy a hard drive, motherboard, monitor, printer, television, radio, firewall, modem, cable/dsl terminal/router etc that doesn't have the copy-prevention systems BUILT IN. In hardware, not software, where you can't turn it off without mangling your brand new hardware.

Why asks the users to comply with something when you take the choice completely out of their hands? Heck, if you want to force it, its pretty easy. Guess who one of the big backers is? Time-Warner (as in Time-Warner, one of the biggest cable/broadband providers in the US). All they have to do is change their system so that you can't get cable without a TV that has copy-prevention technology. You wouldn't be able to tape things to your VCR without a VCR with copy-prevention technology. You would be unable to watch or tape a TV show without the express permission of Time-Warner. Even better, Time-Warner, by the letter of the law, would be required to make this change..

Groovy, yeah? Now consider that we're not talking about just Time-Warner, or Disney. That already includes AOL, and then there's Sony and all its friends and neighbors (who make most of your consumer electronics and computer parts).

The inmates will be literally running the asylum. These corporations will be the ones that must abide by the rules of their own making. Your opinion and compliance does not matter after the fact. Your opinion only matters NOW, before the fact.
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Hmmmm. Methinks every computer retailer and manufacturing company world-wide would collapse. I'm guessing around half the computer using people's of the world would turn to the black-market to get un-fux0red hardware. And with Turkey being the only place nearby that says '**** You' to all the international copy-right laws, their economy would skyrocket from producing un-fux0red gear.
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*The corporations backing this deal shall fall to the headz. :headz:*

Now that's over with, there is no way this bill will pass. Think of the protest. Its gonna be harware companies(for) vs. software companies(against).

Guess who's gonna win. Remember the Democrats control the Senate now. Software everytime. NO ONE has more influence than Microsoft (looks like the decision to not split them was a mixed blessing after all). Not AOL, not Time Warner, not Disney, not anyone.

And I question whether companies like Intel would support this.
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If this bill passes, your compliance become a fait accompli. At some point, you will not be able to buy a hard drive, motherboard, monitor, printer, television, radio, firewall, modem, cable/dsl terminal/router etc that doesn't have the copy-prevention systems BUILT IN. In hardware, not software, where you can't turn it off without mangling your brand new hardware.


Well, the software hackers have repeatedly proven that their efforts are far superior to those of corporations; they could quite easily extend their efforts to hardware as well, and I bet there would be guides and walkthrough all over the internet on how to remove the protection a few hours after the first products with the stuff are released. Although it is significantly harder to modify hardware than software, it still can be done if precise instruments are used and the expertise is there. It would be hard for an average consumer to do, but these things are done by people with experience and are readily available on black markets. (heck, you can already find modified hardware through these places)

And, if all else fails, we would still have the older hardware without any of this in it. The sales of the new products would be much lower than those of the old ones since some of the people would refuse to buy anything with the copy protection when they already own items without it, and modified versions of the new items are sold cheap through illegal channels. At some point, corporations will be doing so poorly that some will just outright refuse to obey the law, and release their products without the copyirght stuff anyway. The government could stamp down a few companies, but a "domino effect" would incite others to ignore the law as well. It would essentially be a repeat of the drug-ban law and would fall to pieces soon.
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Well, the software hackers have repeatedly proven that their efforts are far superior to those of corporations; they could quite easily extend their efforts to hardware as well, and I bet there would be guides and walkthrough all over the internet on how to remove the protection a few hours after the first products with the stuff are released. Although it is significantly harder to modify hardware than software, it still can be done if precise instruments are used and the expertise is there. It would be hard for an average consumer to do, but these things are done by people with experience and are readily available on black markets. (heck, you can already find modified hardware through these places)

And, if all else fails, we would still have the older hardware without any of this in it. The sales of the new products would be much lower than those of the old ones since some of the people would refuse to buy anything with the copy protection when they already own items without it, and modified versions of the new items are sold cheap through illegal channels. At some point, corporations will be doing so poorly that some will just outright refuse to obey the law, and release their products without the copyirght stuff anyway. The government could stamp down a few companies, but a "domino effect" would incite others to ignore the law as well. It would essentially be a repeat of the drug-ban law and would fall to pieces soon.


You're missing the point. You can ignore the law all you want. When your TV doesn't work with the new cable system or you can't copy play a CDR in your car CD player, or you can't connect to the internet because your provider has switched to the new modem standard mandated by law and you haven't, you'll be locked out. You'll have to 'upgrade' to compliant hardware or do without. You, however, are not important.

My mother, like most people's mothers, and my father, like most people's fathers, will just accept it. Joe Average consumer in this country does not care. Consider the 'copy protected CDs' that have been released. Where is the public outcry? Where is the consumer complaint? Strictly limited to the fringes: geeks and audiophiles. Not Joe Average consumer.

Even better, Joe Average consumer will be behind laws like this. Why? Because DISNEY will tell them that it is a good law. What good family-oriented consumer doesn't think that Disney can do any wrong? Everyone, especially parents LOVES Disney. Everyone, especially parents, TRUSTS Disney. Many of these consumers just won't care because, after all, they don't copy mp3s or dupe CDs or worry about duping a rented DVD to a video tape. Other consumers will get behind this and cheer it on because "only criminals would want to prevent something like this! We must protect the artists!" (despite the fact that laws like this do not protect the artists in any way, only the distribution corporations).

It gets better STILL. Mr. Vega contends that such a bill could not get past the Democratically controlled Senate. Perhaps he did not look carefully: CDTBBA is a Democrat sponsored bill. It promotes and protects corporations. Republicans are historically pro-BigBusiness. Who is left to disagree? The Libertarians? Sorry, there's not enough left over to prevent a simple majority.

The meat of the issue is not this bill but this bill combined with the DMCA. With the two combined running Linux is a felony. Not a civil offense, but a criminal one. Modifying a system to allow content duplication is a felony. Buying or selling modified systems is a felony.

To recap:
  • Most consumers will not care
  • The rules are made by the people who have to abide by it
  • Circumventing the rules is a criminal offense
  • Only the fringe cares


Sorry. There is no way--no way at all--that you can convince me that this should be ignored or that it won't be enforceable. This is not the drug war. This is almost the opposite. This is almost as if the drug laws were being made by the Columbian drug lords.

Like I said, the inmates will be running the asylum.

We must do something about this before hand, before it passes to prevent it from passing.
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We must do something about this before hand, before it passes to prevent it from passing.


*through megaphones*

Okay people this is it, we're starting our fight for freedom. Our first tarkget: Capitol Hill.

All Stealth bombers are to be deployed covered by airsupport. The remaining fighters will strike at nearby airfields to supress hostile forces...

*goes on*
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