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Offline Styxx

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I'm not sure if I laugh or I cry. It's sad to see such stupidity in people - specially in governants. I foresee lots of people leaving the USA in the near future, if that thing actually passes...
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Offline Stryke 9

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...only to get screwed just as badly when the US decides to really start getting imperialistic. Hopefully, (it's a long shot, unfortunately, what with the current propoganda machine), Bush won't get reelected and that won't happen. But the two WILL come hand-in-hand...

 

Offline Grey Wolf

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If that passes I'm moving to either Europe (probably Ireland) or Canada after I finish college.... Probably Canada, considering they're closer.
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Offline Vertigo1

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Ahhh yes...only in America.
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I wouldn't do that for too long.  You guys might be pressured to do it next.

Personally, I'll be moving overseas if this does come to pass.  I've got a few buddies I can stay with if need be.

I flat out refuse to obey this law.  There is no way they can enforce it.  Hell, they can't even envorce the DMCA for crying out loud!  I'd love to see them try to make me obey it.  They'd have to call the frelling swat team to get past my dogs let alone get in my room.
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Offline Vertigo1

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Mmm... no luck with the petitions today. I'll try later.


Ohh, you mean this:

http://www.petitiononline.com/SSSCA/petition.html

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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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Mmm... no luck with the petitions today. I'll try later.

And can we stop using the word democracy until we have the slightest understanding of what it means? There have been semi-democratic governments- the US government is not one, nor does the government claim to be one, except through the mouths of fools and propogandists. See, I actually used to believe in the idea of installing a democratic movement, but gave it up because it's simply impossible to set up through revolution, and no government's gonna hand over power to the people of its own accord. Suffice it to say, you can safely rule out anything that's happened since a few hundred years BC outside of some experimental utopian colonies who got obliterated by the government and several other aggressors as being democratic. Including the Democratic party, anyone who uses the phrase "preserving democracy", etc.;)


Actually the soviets did it before they became the Soviets (note the capital S). For a short time every village and every city had multiple soviets (people's-assemblies) where every citizen had a say. It was dismantled faster than you could say: 'The USSR is not a real Communist State'
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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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Anyway: if this gets through it will effectively kill all pc-use that's not bussiness related. Thus making everything pc-related irrelevant ---> millions and millions of jobless.
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Only in the US. Im glad country is not a S but a K for UK.
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Offline Stryke 9

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Crazy Ivan: Exactly. Absolute Democracy entails a political weakness people always seem more than willing to take advantage of- its other major flaw.

 

Offline Grey Wolf

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Socialist states, republics, parliamentary republics with figurehead monarchs..... Why can't anything be what it says it is? In the dark ages you had a feudalistic system. That's what they claimed to be. And they didn't claim to be 'compassionate conservatives'.
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Offline Martinus

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As far as Britain goes... I live there so I'm well aware that the UK is americas *****. If this goes down then you can bet the british government with a minor amount of pressure will back it.

mikhael, I think you're being a little extremist. Your argument is well founded but lets face it, if they attempt to f**k the free information loving PC users of the world i.e. 99.999999 percent of us then we will simply find a way around it. Microcontrollers are reprogrammable. Software can be cracked, hacked and made to do whatever we see fit. Piracy won't be a crime anymore, it'll be a necessity that most PC users will be guilty of and I'll be hanging out with an0n supplying 'warez' to the masses.

Who afterall is going to sit back and let a greedy few steal our freedom?

 

Offline LtNarol

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This blasted bill passes and im going to Europe...the shear gall of these people, jeeze, no more internet privacy.  As for Microsoft buying the RIAA, LOL, thats just the kind of thing you expect from microsoft.  Let the monster kill the monster.

 

Offline CP5670

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99.999999 percent of us then we will simply find a way around it. Microcontrollers are reprogrammable. Software can be cracked, hacked and made to do whatever we see fit. Piracy won't be a crime anymore, it'll be a necessity that most PC users will be guilty of and I'll be hanging out with an0n supplying 'warez' to the masses.


Exactly, and the police won't be able to do a thing about it, because they will have no way of detecting who is obeying the law and who isn't, and even if they did, they cannot arrest the whole country. :p

If the bill passes, I won't be moving anywhere; I will just disregard it and use whatever hacks I can find, as will 99% of the population. (hey I already use w-word stuff) As I said earlier though, the chance of such a thing passing are so incredibly small (no enforcement possible) that there's really no need to make contingency plans right now.

 

Offline Styxx

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I think it's another one of the signs of the Apocalypse. Lemme get my anti-hellfire shelter ready... :p
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Offline Corsair

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This is for real? :eek::eek::jaw::jaw:
If that's true, I'm going to Europe with Narol...
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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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this way our IT shortage will be solved fast :p
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Offline mikhael

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If that passes I'm moving to either Europe (probably Ireland) or Canada after I finish college.... Probably Canada, considering they're closer.


Don't think that you can so easily escape.

As some of the people behind this are the manufacturers of the computers that are used the world 'round, you're likely going to be out of luck. The same sorts of parts will likely end up distributed globally. It only makes financial sense for the manufacturers to not sell crippled lines and uncrippled lines. Besides that, some of these companies would have to relocate out of the US to avoid coming under the jurisdiction of these laws.

If this passes in the US and is not successfully challenged, it will spread all over the world by fait accompli. Other countries will get hardware that meets american legal requirements.

What really needs to happen is that people that live in countries allied to the US need to pressure their governements to pressure the US government. There have been several instances in the last decade where Britain has successfully lobbied the US to not pass laws that would affect European interests as a side effect. If such action were combined with stateside pressure from soon to be guilty-and-can't-ever-be-innocent US citizens, this proposal would never make it through.
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Offline Zeronet

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Britians different to US, only one party calls the shots, better that way, cos if they do something you dont like, you dont vote for them. It wont spread, American isnt the be all and end all.
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Offline mikhael

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It wont spread, American isnt the be all and end all.


No. It isn't, an no one implied it was. However, companies that do business in the US have to abide by US law. Further, since some of the companies that have sponsored this little catastrophe are international AND are the ones manufacturing the hardware (certain consumer electronics copmanies comes to mind, don't forget this isn't 'just' computers), they will use this as an excuse to support one productline. Thus, TVs the world over will end up having the same content control hardware.

They, the people who are behind this stupidity, are global. Thus, to say "It won't spread," is wishful thinking at best. Tell me, is your vcr a Betamax or VHS unit?

If people weren't worrying about such a thing spreading or affecting people outside the US, then why did a Brit bring the whole thing up anyway? There is a definate legitimate concern.
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I hope this makes things a little bit clearer.
About the SSSCA (Security Systems Standards and Certification Act), which was never drafted as legilation, but is the basis of this newer bill:
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...it would be illegal to create or distribute “any interactive digital device that does not include and utilize certified security technologies” approved by the Commerce Department...

This, of course, goes hand-in-hand with the DMCA (for those unfamiliar, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act allows a content producer to order a content provider to remove 'infringing material' with no question asked. The DMCA has been used to shutdown 'infringing' websites in Europe, btw). Of course, this has a wonderful side effect. To sell any consumer electronics product in the United States, manufacturers will have to comply with US law. This can be used to keep foreign competitors out of the US market.

Another fun little detail in the SSSCA was that it calls for media corporations and digital device manufacturers to cooperate and develop a copy protection scheme. If one cannot be agreed upon within two years time, the federal government would mandate one. What's wrong with tihs, you might ask? Content creators (artists, writers, singers, musicians, GAME DEVELOPERS) are not in on the specification. They don't get any input. Zero. Zilch. None. Way to protect the rights of the people.

Of course, this year, the Honorable Fritz Hollings (D-South Carolina) brought out his lovely little hammer, the CBDTPA (Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Protection Act). He brought along with him five cronies: Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), John Breaux (D-Louisiana), Bill Nelson (D-Florida) and Dianne Feinstein (D-California). The lovely thing about this bill? Its SSSCA with some addons and a nice little smokescreen (the broadband/digital-television thing). Now everything digital has to be 'secured'. Fax machines, MP3 players, computers, software, the television, the vcr, the DVD player, your radio, your cellular phone, your pager, your printer, your PDA, your hard drive, your digital camera, your--heck, lets just say 'anything that can store and carry data in any form, be it read or write'.

Isn't that lovely? It means that Particle Systems has to write games that work with these copyright protection systems--else they can't sell in the US. Funny, I didn't think that a British game company--who is neither subject to US law nor party to making them--would be affected, because this stuff "won't spread". Most major content producer, to include game companies, enjoys the United States as one of its biggest sources of revenue. Most anyone smaller than a major corporation cannot get in on this to make or modify or use these laws to their advantage. Smaller content producers (like Particle Systems) will not be able to sell products in one of their major markets without joining up as a part of a corporation (Volition and Interplay anyone?). Doing so, they will lose the rights to their own products (Freespace, anyone?).

In Europe, I believe originally from France, content producers (those writers and artists and programmers and singers and songwriters and musicians I mentioned earlier) have so-called 'moral rights'. Even should a content creator give up his legal copyright, he or she still has certain rights to that content. Among these, and perhaps the most important, is the 'right of integrity'. Basically, the right of integrity means that anything that includes a piece of cannot be distorted in anyway that could harm the artist's reputation. 'Copy protected CDs' are an example of this, since the 'protect' the music by adding actual acoustic distortions that will prevent it being copied.
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