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Offline Col. Fishguts

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Well, in this case we have some :v: concept art for reference.



Granted, the Jotun was based on this. But it clearly has a lot of elements that made it into the Ursa: The angular intakes on the front, the other set of intakes on the engines, the off-center triple-barreled gun... and big blocky missile pods.

Of course, this being your model, I'd say do whatever you think works best... seems to have worked for most of the other models you've made recently, despite the many pages of "OH NOES, YOU MADE IT ALL WRONG" comments in each and every thread  ;)
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Offline Snail

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Also I think the gunbarrels are okay round (though I would prefer them triangular) but they need to be a little bigger.

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Can't say a lot with what's displayed currently, but what little is looking pretty good so far.

 

Offline Herra Tohtori

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When dealing with a dam, however, curved surfaces are preferred. :p I like the idea of a landing fear structure, it has a lot of potential IMO.

Snail has a point.

Dams are curved because the load of water pressure is spread evenly on the surface.

Arch structure can withstand higher even load than a rectangular structure - this is why long bridges, aqueducts and viaducts and all vault structures utilize the arch form. Both suspended and non-suspended bridges are usually built with archs as the carrying structure - either a rigid arch that the walkway or driveway is laid on top of, or arcs of cables which suspend the bridge itself.

Shorter bridges can be built as horizontal beam bridges, but archs are required for longer bridges.

This is more about how objects of different shape handle when laid on a flat surface, so let's make an example.

Let's compare two objects made of thin metal: a cube of 1 m^2 volume, and a sphere of 1 m^2 volume.

Both objects are filled with water, making their mass approximately 1000 kg plus the mass of the metal itself.

The surface pressure between the cube and floor is 1000 kg * 9.81 m/s^2 / m^3, which is 9.81 kPa; By comparison, the ground pressure of a human is typically around 60 - 80 kPa while walking, more when running, and so the floor has no problems with this kind of stress. Furthermore there are practically no deforming forces subjected to the cube, so stress to the object itself is minimal.

On the other hand, surface pressure in the case of the sphere is infinite in case of ideal sphere, which means that the sphere will definitely distort at least some in order to get a non-zero contact area between the sphere and the floor. If we assume that the sphere deforms so that the round contact point is 2 cm^2 in area, that makes surface pressure as high as 49.050 MPa, which means that first of all the stress to the floor is higher, but also stress to the object itself is significant.


For these reasons, it would be best to use flat underside as the landing platform of an object as massive as an Ursa. Of course you could reduce artificial gravity on hangar decks but that'd present other complications, and any non-zero gravity will still mean flat underside of an object laid on surface will cause less stress on the surface and object both, compared to a case where the weight of the object is carried by smaller contact points.

I rest my case. :drevil:


Also, angular pods are a pretty distinctive feature of the Ursa. Smoothing it out might make it look subjectively better, but that'd be the equivalent of giving A-10 a facelift because it's so bloody ugly... and still calling it the A-10 afterwards. :p


Whatever you do, though, as long as end result gives same overall impression as the Ursa, it'll work out.
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Offline Dragon

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This looks great, though TBH, I'd like to see progress on the new Deimos, since it's current HTL has really bad texturing and in dire need of an upgrade.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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The Ursa is a FS1-era craft, designed in a hurry to carry the Harbinger bomb. It's a crude and efficient design. I think the style you adopted with the Medusa is much more suited for this craft that the one you've adopted for the Deimos. Curves will never fit the spirit of the Ursa.
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Offline Rodo

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I will give a more definitive opinion once I see a little more progress, but for starters I think that concept art piece could be used to model the intakes that way.
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Offline Snail

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ITT - Structural mechanics

 

Offline Trivial Psychic

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My opinion is that the overall blockiness should be retained, though some edge-rounding is not out of the question .
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Good job Hades so far  :yes:
 While I'm not up to redoing one of these Historical models, I thought about it just to learn how they are built 3D model wise. Cant wait to see more progress!

On a second note, where can I get a good render for my 3D models? I'm using Wings 3D, but also have Blender that I have not used yet. Is there a plug-in Render for it? Just askin!  :D

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Hades, just an idea. Triangular gun barrels the cut to cylindrical at some point before the muzzle.  :)
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Good work on it so far, Hades :) Though I'd like to see the main missile banks remaining square as well, a slight bevel will do.

Could someone explain to me why triangular barrels would look cool? I'm not seeing that.

On a second note, where can I get a good render for my 3D models? I'm using Wings 3D, but also have Blender that I have not used yet. Is there a plug-in Render for it? Just askin!  :D

Blender can render by itself, no plug-ins required :P

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Because something about the triangular barrels on the current Ursa just looks good, maybe because the Ursa is very blocky and angular with very little rounded sections.

 

Offline Mongoose

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Hades, just an idea. Triangular gun barrels the cut to cylindrical at some point before the muzzle.  :)
That's kind of a cool idea.  Have just the base of them be triangular, then the main barrels be cylindrical.  It'd be a nice homage to the original shape. :)

 

Offline Herra Tohtori

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Triangular muzzle brakes would also be an acceptable option.
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Offline Rodo

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Yes I think that would look better, a cylindrical base and then ending in a triangular shape, with small cuts on the middle of each of the triangular faces.
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