[General Battuta]

I was so far from tired of staring at Robert Carlyle         

Yeah, perhaps clearly that was its lowest point: no sexbombgirls. No number six, or six of nine. You know, full blown dominatrixes that creep the hell out of you, while giving you a boner at the same time. Contradictory emotions always work. Instead, Carlile had this lame romance with a mesmerized and cuddly boring girl that lasted little more than two or three episodes, Eli had his girlfriend killed gratuitously, the boss never really tells her medic that he loves her and the only sustainable romance over there is between the two most boring and predictable characters written. Hey perhaps that is no coincidence.

But I'm being too picky over a show that only had two seasons. In time they would do it right. Specially when the equivalent of six of nine showed up.

what

Robert Carlyle was the only sex bomb this show needed. Plus you had Volker and Park and Greer and Brody with their awesome four way broromance.

[Luis Dias]

bros before hos uh?

I knew it. This show was written purposedly descriminating heterossexuals!

[Herra Tohtori]

bros before hos uh?

I knew it. This show was written purposedly descriminating heterossexuals!

There's a difference between homosociality and homosexuality


Maybe I should watch the episodes after the 2nd season break, if it was as good as you guys are saying it was.

[Luis Dias]

It is.

[IceFire]

bros before hos uh?

I knew it. This show was written purposedly descriminating heterossexuals!

There's a difference between homosociality and homosexuality


Maybe I should watch the episodes after the 2nd season break, if it was as good as you guys are saying it was.

Much more enjoyable after the second season break. The best episodes are in there. The second season was better but the best episodes definitely in the back half of the season. I wish now that they had another season to prove themselves. Especially with the way it ended!

[Nuke]

I was so far from tired of staring at Robert Carlyle         

Yeah, perhaps clearly that was its lowest point: no sexbombgirls. No number six, or six of nine. You know, full blown dominatrixes that creep the hell out of you, while giving you a boner at the same time. Contradictory emotions always work. Instead, Carlile had this lame romance with a mesmerized and cuddly boring girl that lasted little more than two or three episodes, Eli had his girlfriend killed gratuitously, the boss never really tells her medic that he loves her and the only sustainable romance over there is between the two most boring and predictable characters written. Hey perhaps that is no coincidence.

But I'm being too picky over a show that only had two seasons. In time they would do it right. Specially when the equivalent of six of nine showed up.

what

Robert Carlyle was the only sex bomb this show needed. Plus you had Volker and Park and Greer and Brody with their awesome four way broromance.

you know a series is failing when the only think they can think of is to give you a boner with unrealistic female roles. im somewhat glad they didnt pull that in sgu. i knew the series would fail because they tried to make the next bsg instead of the next stargate. theres are no more scifi franchises left. and if they leave things up to suckfy there never will be.

[Thaeris]

Heh. Probably true.

Stargate worked, as though it was far campier than the awesome film it was based off of, had its own unique character. I've never seen SGU, but I can only guess that they tried to pull in new fans via tactics which worked in the last widely popular science fiction show, which was BSG. Originality or character goes a long way; sacrificing either can really cut your series short.

That said, I doubt the next great science fiction series will come from any of the major general networks (NBC, ABC), which end up cranking out lame soap operas with unrealistic plot twists. Well, at least not any time soon.

What I think everyone wants to see is a series that takes you some where. BSG was destined to be a finite series by its nature. Stargate, Star Trek, Andromeda, and B5 had a setting where it allowed their respective environments to expand and evolve. Despite any campiness they might have had, they had enough scope that they didn't need to get bogged down with the characters (which is entirely possible) like BSG was capable of in some instances; that is, they could always be taking you some place new whilst lending enough focus on character development and gradually working with the plot. They could even sneak in some science with the fiction from time to time, or at least something feasible. Frack mang, where is Firefly!

[General Battuta]

What I think everyone wants to see is a series that takes you some where. BSG was destined to be a finite series by its nature. Stargate, Star Trek, Andromeda, and B5 had a setting where it allowed their respective environments to expand and evolve. Despite any campiness they might have had, they had enough scope that they didn't need to get bogged down with the characters (which is entirely possible) like BSG was capable of in some instances; that is, they could always be taking you some place new whilst lending enough focus on character development and gradually working with the plot. They could even sneak in some science with the fiction from time to time, or at least something feasible. Frack mang, where is Firefly!

So basically what you're describing is 'Stargate Universe' a show recently cancelled by the SyFy channel

[newman]

They had a very nice, symbolic, and smart ending that does easily allow for resurrection of the show should a miracle happen (which doesn't seem likely atm). I'm really sorry to see this one go.

[Mefustae]

Heh. Probably true.

Stargate worked, as though it was far campier than the awesome film it was based off of, had its own unique character. I've never seen SGU, but I can only guess that they tried to pull in new fans via tactics which worked in the last widely popular science fiction show, which was BSG. Originality or character goes a long way; sacrificing either can really cut your series short.

Yeah, see, why the hell not? Seriously, if you're going to spend the time and brainpower it takes to come into a thread called 'New Stargate: Stargate Universe' and vent your philosophical spleen, why not just take a good 40 minutes to sit down and watch an episode? I mean, it takes a bit of effort to cobble together an opinion from the bits and pieces voiced by those who have bothered to watch the show, so why not instead watch the damn show and form your own goddamn opinions?

Personally, I love the show. Not everyone does, and there are a fair few who take issue with it for one reason or another. I'll argue with them, discuss the show, and have a good time doing it. I may not like their opinion, but I'll respect it as much as I respect my own. What pisses me off is when people chime in with completely uninformed opinions, and expect their thoughts to have the same damn validity as those who have gone to the effort to know what the **** they're talking about.

So please, for your own sake as much as ours, just watch the damn show before you form an opinion. Don't listen to the people who love it, or the people who hate it. Just form your own goddamn thoughts on the matter, before you go passing judgement on something you know pretty much nothing about.

[newman]

Point, valid. Delivery, not so much. There's a way to say things that is conducive to flaming and a way to say things that isn't. In general I found Thaeris to be a reasonable guy so there's really no need to go nuclear on him, he's perfectly capable of processing a politely formatted message. Otherwise, yea - any sorts of general observations based on hearsay and not actual knowledge of the show doesn't really contribute to the discussion. And I do agree that SGU actually got pretty good lately.
Just my 5 cents on the matter. I just wish there was a single thread in gen disc that doesn't eventually require at least a moderator intervention. Let's start with this one and see how it goes, k?

[Nuke]

They had a very nice, symbolic, and smart ending that does easily allow for resurrection of the show should a miracle happen (which doesn't seem likely atm). I'm really sorry to see this one go.

they ended it with an ending that really didnt go anywhere. its like "maybe we will do something but we aint paying for it". they end us with an unsolvable problem and then just sit on it. of course the way they end it kinda sets it up in a way that they can adjust the cast in the event they cant retain everyone. the ones you cant bring back, you just have their tubes fail and then set the plot in the same stroke. say they wake up in 1000 years, the ship is crippled and half the crew is dead, then maybe it becomes a ground pounder show like sg1 was for the most part. or maybe their plan worked and they have a new galaxy and continue on as is. it may have been a strategic ending that they may pick up on easily, but i wouldn't call it a smart or original ending at all.

still it might be an indication that they have a plan to do something else with the show, like do a movie or something. but i am seriously starting to doubt that syfy even gives a **** about scifi anymore. since they obviously like to fill in their schedule with ****ty movies, reality shows, and stuff that has absoultely nothing to do with scifi. syfy aint the only channel doing it, i used to enjoy watching documentries on the discovery and history channels, but reality shows have taken them over. seems i watch pbs more than any other channel these days, and thats ****ing sad. amc has some decent series, but nothing scifi unless you count the walking dead. i think they fill up the tv guide with crap to force you into buying old series on dvd.

[newman]

they ended it with an ending that really didnt go anywhere. its like "maybe we will do something but we aint paying for it". they end us with an unsolvable problem and then just sit on it.

They closed the circle nicely. It works if a miracle happens and someone decides to pick up the show again - the ending allows for anyone to pick it up even years later and I thought they wrote that pretty smart in that respect. There's also a nice symbolism and symmetry to it all; in the first episode the Destiny started powering systems up and springing to life, and in the last they did the exact opposite by slowly shutting everything down and putting the crew to sleep. If that's not a symbolic message that says "show's over for now but maybe, just maybe someone will pick it up in which case, we'll be here", nothing is. But we are talking about subjective things here anyway so there's no point in going too deep in discussing it.

[Mefustae]

Point, valid. Delivery, not so much. There's a way to say things that is conducive to flaming and a way to say things that isn't. In general I found Thaeris to be a reasonable guy so there's really no need to go nuclear on him, he's perfectly capable of processing a politely formatted message. Otherwise, yea - any sorts of general observations based on hearsay and not actual knowledge of the show doesn't really contribute to the discussion. And I do agree that SGU actually got pretty good lately.
Just my 5 cents on the matter. I just wish there was a single thread in gen disc that doesn't eventually require at least a moderator intervention. Let's start with this one and see how it goes, k?

It's not about the quality of Stargate Universe, or the opinion of haters. It's more just my impassioned plea against people making completely uninformed opinions and presenting them as if they were valid and thoughtful. Sometimes, you need few licks of flame to get your point across.

I agree that they did an excellent job in crafting an ending that wasn't really and ending. There was a feeling of finality, yet they left that large thread dangling for anyone to come up and pull it in the future. Of course, pessimist that I am, I know damn well there's no great chance of that ever happening. We've probably seen the end of Stargate for good, and my heart aches for that fact.