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And that's all well and good, but why aren't there at least one or two besides Eli that aren't handling the situation poorly.  I don't mind that they're imperfect, it's just that they ALL so damned imperfect it's like watching greatest hits from the psych ward.
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The issue that most of us are having is that these people are TOO flawed to have been in the situation they were in before they got onto Destiny.

Like what? I've been watching the show and I don't really see any major flaws.

 :eek:

That is exactly what I want. I don't want villains and heroes.

 :blah:

That's why they had to keep ramping up the bad guys all the time. They ended the first show by practically beating gods. I guess all in a days work, right? I got tired of watching the same half dozen people kick the ass of an advanced race or teaching pseudo medieval cultures all about modern society.

I hated that nonsense, which is why I stopped watching around six seasons in.

I'm not sure what you guys want. Them to get control of the ship and fly around shooting funny looking aliens?

I want something to happen that doesn't involve gratuitous (you'd think it was a crew made up of rabbits, or something) sex scenes that are only there to secure the testosterone laden masses block, angsty whining that is only there to secure the angsty whining masses block, and political backstabbery that is only there so that morons can think that they're watching something deep.

These are the people I expect to see on projects because these are the people we see every day. Brilliant scientists with antisocial behavior. Soldiers with no one to fight.

A top-secret operation would not be made up of everyday people.

That was what I hated about Stargate. No one suffered from stress, or was scared.

Ye-e-e-e-eah. Sure. Whatever you say. They never succumbed to stress. Not once. Never. Nada. Zilch. Oh, except for, you know, this.

In fact, they (the cast) succumbed to those type of problems quite often. They had personal troubles. They had flaws. The difference is that you weren't hit over the head with an angst mallet in the original.

 

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Okay, what I got from that post was 'I don't like the show, I'll try to state my subjective dislike in objective terms.'

You don't have to dislike it, but it's not particularly charitable to call viewers morons.

If you think that people generally handle their problems by squirting ketchup and mustard on a plate then you have not had many problems.

 

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The issue that most of us are having is that these people are TOO flawed to have been in the situation they were in before they got onto Destiny.

Like what? I've been watching the show and I don't really see any major flaws.

 :eek:

That's a smilie, not a flaw really.

That is exactly what I want. I don't want villains and heroes.

 :blah:

Yes of course. Let's just put the bad guys in black cowboy hats and the good guys in white hats. How come it has to be Jesus vs Hitler? Why can't they be more like real people?

That's why they had to keep ramping up the bad guys all the time. They ended the first show by practically beating gods. I guess all in a days work, right? I got tired of watching the same half dozen people kick the ass of an advanced race or teaching pseudo medieval cultures all about modern society.

I hated that nonsense, which is why I stopped watching around six seasons in.

Good, we'll touch on this later on.

I'm not sure what you guys want. Them to get control of the ship and fly around shooting funny looking aliens?

I want something to happen that doesn't involve gratuitous (you'd think it was a crew made up of rabbits, or something) sex scenes that are only there to secure the testosterone laden masses block, angsty whining that is only there to secure the angsty whining masses block, and political backstabbery that is only there so that morons can think that they're watching something deep.

So shooting aliens with lasers then? Wow, a mass of people locked on a ship and they're depressed, sexually frustrasted and feel powerless. Man, that would never happen to anyone.

Why don't they do realistic stuff like hack the computer of the millenia old ship and go on a fun filled jaunt through the stars.

These are the people I expect to see on projects because these are the people we see every day. Brilliant scientists with antisocial behavior. Soldiers with no one to fight.

A top-secret operation would not be made up of everyday people.

Yea they are. These people aren't made in some lab. They're all gonna have flaws of some kind. You can weed out the crazies and assholes pretty well, but you'll never get perfect people.

I don't think many of those on the ship went through the "We're going to toss you on an ancient ship waaay out there and you'll probably never get back" training exercise.

People go through training all the time and fail in the real life scenarios.

You got tired of people winning all the time. These people need to make mistakes in order to lose. If they aren't flawed how can you explain them losing?

That was what I hated about Stargate. No one suffered from stress, or was scared.

Ye-e-e-e-eah. Sure. Whatever you say. They never succumbed to stress. Not once. Never. Nada. Zilch. Oh, except for, you know, this.

Oh my god, after what could have been months in a time loop drove him to draw a face on a plate with mustard and ketchup! That guy is one step from the looney bin.

In fact, they (the cast) succumbed to those type of problems quite often. They had personal troubles. They had flaws. The difference is that you weren't hit over the head with an angst mallet in the original.

Like what? Rush wants to be in control, probably because he's used to being in charge due to his intelligence. Young wants to be in charge due to his rank. The civilians are depressed and lonely because they can do jack all to fix anything and there are some soldiers who are hot heads.

None of this is out of the realm of normal behavior for a situation such as this. No one is cutting themselves, or seeing things, or trying to kill everyone else (except that one bald soldier, I am gonna love when he snaps).

You'd think the way we were talking these guys were on the event horizon or something.

When they start painting their faces with the blood of their enemies and try to find the magical god that lives inside the walls, then we'll talk.
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Okay, what I got from that post was 'I don't like the show, I'll try to state my subjective dislike in objective terms.'

You don't have to dislike it, but it's not particularly charitable to call viewers morons.

Who called someone a moron?

 

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I'm saying I'm glad they took the method of portraying people in the old Stargate shows (among other types) and threw it right out.

These people have no flaws. I personally find that to be the most unrealistic of all (given it's a sci fi theme).

There is no drama with people who handle everything with a smile and witty comment. I want to watch regular people handling some weird sci fi stuff, and no always correctly.

I think this scenario where everyone is perfect like Stargate did was just... well, flawed. I seriously doubt it would ever be like that.

So basically, you want S9/S10 of SG-1, or almost all of Atlantis, or stuff scattered throughout earlier SG seasons, or...you get the picture.

Or were you not paying attention for those?

You'd think the way we were talking these guys were on the event horizon or something.

When they start painting their faces with the blood of their enemies and try to find the magical god that lives inside the walls, then we'll talk.

But that's just it.

For their group, they are. The SGC has every reason to select on your ability to handle this kinda ****, because what they're suffering is not worse than things that have been suffered in previous shows, and because your ability to handle it is also of great importance to your ability to keep the fact that the SGC and offworld travel exists secret. So you're either telling me the selection process managed to consistantly **** up for what amounts to nearly everyone on the show, or...what?

Maybe you don't like it when they portray people as disciplined, motivated, and capable, but wtf do you expect they're going to be if they've been selected for a job that involves possibly being the first humans anybody ever met? What do you think they're going to be when their being disciplined, motivated, and capable could easily be all that stands between humanity and utter destruction? These are the best and the brightest humanity has? Hell no.

BSG had an excuse, as I outlined earlier in the thread, for a high proportion of losers and ****ups. SGU doesn't. And it took longer for breakdown to assert itself on BSG, in what was a considerably more realistic treatment of the issue!
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...portray people as disciplined, motivated, and capable...
This type of behavior is becoming more and more unacceptable in modern life...
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I'm saying I'm glad they took the method of portraying people in the old Stargate shows (among other types) and threw it right out.

These people have no flaws. I personally find that to be the most unrealistic of all (given it's a sci fi theme).

There is no drama with people who handle everything with a smile and witty comment. I want to watch regular people handling some weird sci fi stuff, and no always correctly.

I think this scenario where everyone is perfect like Stargate did was just... well, flawed. I seriously doubt it would ever be like that.

So basically, you want S9/S10 of SG-1, or almost all of Atlantis, or stuff scattered throughout earlier SG seasons, or...you get the picture.

Or were you not paying attention for those?

No, I like this new one just fine so far.

I got tired of people making jokes Rodney McKay could fix anything, and then he would fix it. I would never really watch an episode and think "Someone might not make it out of this one" or "I wonder what they'll do?" because I already knew the answer. Smile, toss around witty lines and save the day.

Watching them take out the Goa'uld, the Replicators and then the Ori.

There is still the distinct possibility that almost any one of those people on that ship could die next episode.

You'd think the way we were talking these guys were on the event horizon or something.

When they start painting their faces with the blood of their enemies and try to find the magical god that lives inside the walls, then we'll talk.

But that's just it.

For their group, they are. The SGC has every reason to select on your ability to handle this kinda ****, because what they're suffering is not worse than things that have been suffered in previous shows, and because your ability to handle it is also of great importance to your ability to keep the fact that the SGC and offworld travel exists secret. So you're either telling me the selection process managed to consistantly **** up for what amounts to nearly everyone on the show, or...what?

If I think the other shows did it wrong, why would I want this show to follow on the same ideas? A Stargate mythos with a different feel. The original Stargate theme was great for a time, but it's worn thin. They're almost caricatures of people.


Maybe you don't like it when they portray people as disciplined, motivated, and capable, but wtf do you expect they're going to be if they've been selected for a job that involves possibly being the first humans anybody ever met? What do you think they're going to be when their being disciplined, motivated, and capable could easily be all that stands between humanity and utter destruction? These are the best and the brightest humanity has? Hell no.

First off, no. I fully expect some of the best and brightest to go off the deep end when placed in a situation like that. Is everyone gonna go nuts? No of course not. Young is fine, other than having to fight Rush and being jealous. Scott is fine, Carter lite whatever her name is is fine. Eli is fine. Greer and Rush are exactly how they were before they left. Short the people getting angry and depressed (normal responses) no one is really going nuts.

Secondly, what are these military people not doing? They have nothing to do so what are they missing? There is no one to kill, no one to guard really. Other than setting up a command structure that's fairly obvious, what do these soldiers do all day, every day? Guard doors?

Yea, I think people who are used to a highly structured and disciplined way of life are gonna be a little on edge when that all goes away and they get to sit in what is really just a box for.... well, who knows how long.

Everyone keeps saying these soldiers are breaking down in discipline. How? What are they doing?

BSG had an excuse, as I outlined earlier in the thread, for a high proportion of losers and ****ups. SGU doesn't. And it took longer for breakdown to assert itself on BSG, in what was a considerably more realistic treatment of the issue!

What breakdown? Young is still in charge. The civilians haven't started a revolt. If they were all running around happy go lucky, then I'd think they were nuts.

 

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So basically, you don't actually argue, you just dismiss. Got it.

If I think the other shows did it wrong, why would I want this show to follow on the same ideas? A Stargate mythos with a different feel. The original Stargate theme was great for a time, but it's worn thin. They're almost caricatures of people.

That's not even arguing with my point. You're saying "I dun like that portrayal" as if it that makes a factual counter to the fact I'm pointing out that this is against the Stargate mythos. You're also not arguing my point that this is not behavior we would expect from people of the required calibur to get into the Stargate program.

First off, no. I fully expect some of the best and brightest to go off the deep end when placed in a situation like that. Is everyone gonna go nuts? No of course not. Young is fine, other than having to fight Rush and being jealous. Scott is fine, Carter lite whatever her name is is fine. Eli is fine. Greer and Rush are exactly how they were before they left. Short the people getting angry and depressed (normal responses) no one is really going nuts.

But they're not normal responses. If they were responding normally, we would expect them to be able to hold it in, suck it up, and carry forward, considering the group of people we're talking about. We just now ought to be seeing it start coming to the surface in a restrained way.

Secondly, what are these military people not doing? They have nothing to do so what are they missing? There is no one to kill, no one to guard really. Other than setting up a command structure that's fairly obvious, what do these soldiers do all day, every day? Guard doors?

What do you think military people do in peacetime, exactly? Yeah, we ought to see them guard doors or critical bits of machinery. We ought to see them watching the gate. We ought to see them run training exercises to familarize with the ship's layout. Their organization has taken a recent heavy hit, so assuming they're competent we ought to be seeing them running a lot of exercises while they reorganize and integrate with their new team. It's either that, PT, or study things. Deck plans, weapons, etc. That's what the military spends most of its time doing.

Yea, I think people who are used to a highly structured and disciplined way of life are gonna be a little on edge when that all goes away and they get to sit in what is really just a box for.... well, who knows how long.

Which isn't how it works, since they brought that life with them. One of the key indicators the show is crap is that it's pretending they didn't; BSG recognized that they did. Also, sitting in a box for who knows how long is also part and parcel of military life, though sometimes the box is more of a hole in the ground. They should be used to that.

For that matter, they weren't from the SGC. They've been sitting in a box for who knows how long already.

Everyone keeps saying these soldiers are breaking down in discipline. How? What are they doing?

I'm pretty sure the first episode including a fairly big breach of the regs alone. Everything else cited above indicates that their officers are ****, which is both out of character and the fact it's not ongoing or touched on or even possible would indicate both a breakdown of discipline and an attending degradation of skills. These are elite troops to even be here. They probably should have organized what I describe with or without their commander's screwups. They didn't. That's breakdown.

Having known and worked with both military and special forces people all my life, the situation the show presents is an accurate portrayal of neither. SG-1 and Atlantis could get away with not portraying this because the teams were always on-mission when we saw them. BSG could because we viewed it through the lense of men high up the ranks (yes, even Tyrol; ask anyone and they'll say a CPO is easily a more responsible position than a lieutenant) and even then it typically threw us some bones. This isn't what's going on here. Instead we got them wandering around doing **** at random.
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...portray people as disciplined, motivated, and capable...
This type of behavior is becoming more and more unacceptable in modern life...

Cite please? Any evidence?

 

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Okay, after a quick review of the recent episodes, it looks like the military members of the crew have in fact been doing everything NGTM-1R wanted them to.

So I'm not sure what the problem is?

I wasn't initially a big fan of this show, given the fact that the writing never hits the mark it's aiming for, but this roundabout criticism makes me think people actually don't like it just because it's not SG-1 and ironically predisposes me to give it more of a chance.

 

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NGTM-1R what you are forgetting is that this is a Hollywood show.  And while the first Stargate show worked closely with the Air Force to make sure they got every detail right, the mentality is extremely prevalent that the military, every branch of the military, is filled with people who "couldn't hack it" in civilian life.

That mentality is reflected in the tone and bearing of the show.
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I really don't think it is.

Hollywood is often extraordinarily respectful to the military. Moreover, the people in charge of this show are the same ones who were in charge of SG-1, so why would that respect have changed?

Spend some time with the troops via websites, blogs, and personal accounts, and you'll find a group of people as diverse as anyone else - including plenty who couldn't cut it, even the most far out SpecOps unit.

 

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I know I sure wouldn't join the army unless I had exhausted every single possible option, or if we were fighting a defensive war.  I'm sure as hell not going to put my life on the line to line the pockets of the rich.

But yeah, I'm going to need several people to tell me that this show is awesome before i go ahead and give it a chance.
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So basically, you don't actually argue, you just dismiss. Got it.

If I think the other shows did it wrong, why would I want this show to follow on the same ideas? A Stargate mythos with a different feel. The original Stargate theme was great for a time, but it's worn thin. They're almost caricatures of people.

That's not even arguing with my point. You're saying "I dun like that portrayal" as if it that makes a factual counter to the fact I'm pointing out that this is against the Stargate mythos. You're also not arguing my point that this is not behavior we would expect from people of the required calibur to get into the Stargate program.

Then you're not listening. I don't care if it's completely against what happened in Stargate and Atlantis.

You're saying "That's not how it works in Stargate" and I'm saying "I know, that's cool. Keep doing that."

I want them to distance themselves from that thinking, not embrace it.

First off, no. I fully expect some of the best and brightest to go off the deep end when placed in a situation like that. Is everyone gonna go nuts? No of course not. Young is fine, other than having to fight Rush and being jealous. Scott is fine, Carter lite whatever her name is is fine. Eli is fine. Greer and Rush are exactly how they were before they left. Short the people getting angry and depressed (normal responses) no one is really going nuts.

But they're not normal responses. If they were responding normally, we would expect them to be able to hold it in, suck it up, and carry forward, considering the group of people we're talking about. We just now ought to be seeing it start coming to the surface in a restrained way.

I would expect the shock and sudden troubles to be the biggest jolt and then for them to settle down as they start to get a grasp on things.

Thinking you're jumping one place, ending up another. Trapped, alone, maybe never ever getting home.

The fact that you think everyone is just gonna go "Well let's go do our duty" after they think they got basically a death sentence is a little odd.

Secondly, what are these military people not doing? They have nothing to do so what are they missing? There is no one to kill, no one to guard really. Other than setting up a command structure that's fairly obvious, what do these soldiers do all day, every day? Guard doors?

What do you think military people do in peacetime, exactly? Yeah, we ought to see them guard doors or critical bits of machinery. We ought to see them watching the gate. We ought to see them run training exercises to familarize with the ship's layout. Their organization has taken a recent heavy hit, so assuming they're competent we ought to be seeing them running a lot of exercises while they reorganize and integrate with their new team. It's either that, PT, or study things. Deck plans, weapons, etc. That's what the military spends most of its time doing.

Guarding machinery? From who? Saboteurs?

How long does it take to get the layout of a ship? How many days or weeks have these people been there?

I mean seriously, you want these guys running simulations all day? To fight an enemy that doesn't exist? They already do PT, they showed it in the last episode. In peacetime, there is still someone else out there. Even if they are a friend or a stranger, there is still someone there. Who are they planning to fight?

And quite frankly, what makes you think they didn't do all this already? That they didn't have a nice little montage of it?

Yea, I think people who are used to a highly structured and disciplined way of life are gonna be a little on edge when that all goes away and they get to sit in what is really just a box for.... well, who knows how long.

Which isn't how it works, since they brought that life with them. One of the key indicators the show is crap is that it's pretending they didn't; BSG recognized that they did. Also, sitting in a box for who knows how long is also part and parcel of military life, though sometimes the box is more of a hole in the ground. They should be used to that.

For that matter, they weren't from the SGC. They've been sitting in a box for who knows how long already.

That's what I'm telling you, they brought a certain way of living to a place that just doesn't need it. There is nothing for these soldiers to do. They can salute and do whatever but there is no one to fight and no one who needs protecting.

Everyone keeps saying these soldiers are breaking down in discipline. How? What are they doing?

I'm pretty sure the first episode including a fairly big breach of the regs alone. Everything else cited above indicates that their officers are ****, which is both out of character and the fact it's not ongoing or touched on or even possible would indicate both a breakdown of discipline and an attending degradation of skills. These are elite troops to even be here. They probably should have organized what I describe with or without their commander's screwups. They didn't. That's breakdown.

I like how you don't give any examples. What did the officers do that was out of line? What did the enlisted soldiers do that was so degrading?

I just get the feeling this is you being mad because you don't see them doing practice drills. That instead of doing maneuvers all day they're sitting on their asses. It would be insanely boring to have a show of soldiers running around playing cowboys and indians against no one.

Having known and worked with both military and special forces people all my life, the situation the show presents is an accurate portrayal of neither. SG-1 and Atlantis could get away with not portraying this because the teams were always on-mission when we saw them. BSG could because we viewed it through the lense of men high up the ranks (yes, even Tyrol; ask anyone and they'll say a CPO is easily a more responsible position than a lieutenant) and even then it typically threw us some bones. This isn't what's going on here. Instead we got them wandering around doing **** at random.

They're in a ship! They're not on a mission. There is no one to fight, nowhere to go. How do you plan to fight an enemy that isn't there? There is no enemy in this show (yet). There may never be. I have no idea what they're doing with this show. There could never be another humanoid or other kind of life form (outside that weird foggy thing).

 

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NGTM-1R what you are forgetting is that this is a Hollywood show.  And while the first Stargate show worked closely with the Air Force to make sure they got every detail right, the mentality is extremely prevalent that the military, every branch of the military, is filled with people who "couldn't hack it" in civilian life.

That mentality is reflected in the tone and bearing of the show.

A lot of the people on that show (especially the military) are probably doing way better than I would be doing. I think most people would act like the civilians, be totally bummed, not do a damn thing and yell at the people in charge for not fixing it.

That's the funny part of all this. I think they're mostly fine soldiers placed in a super weird place and are trying to cope. Other people think these guys are total goons cause they aren't doing pushups and running drills all day.

 

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To even cite real life  :rolleyes: knowledge and experience connections Ngtm1r in the context of discussing this scifi is in pretty poor taste. Substitue stargate for that wormhole command extreme in series spinoff and you'll see why any spec ops you know would be instantly pissed for the association let alone dropping the ball and announcing the ball.
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A Stargate mythos with a different feel.

You're saying "That's not how it works in Stargate" and I'm saying "I know, that's cool. Keep doing that."

You're backsliding.

I would expect the shock and sudden troubles to be the biggest jolt and then for them to settle down as they start to get a grasp on things.

Thinking you're jumping one place, ending up another. Trapped, alone, maybe never ever getting home.

The fact that you think everyone is just gonna go "Well let's go do our duty" after they think they got basically a death sentence is a little odd.

Shock is something they're trained to deal with, otherwise they're not going to handle combat well. Longterm stress is rather less so.

Wait, wait, you think they dialed the ship by accident? They didn't know where they'd go? It's a nine-symbol address. They knew they might end up in a godforsaken situation. They probably even expected it. Eventual death was simply preferable to immediate death. Also considering the history of the SGC, one would think they would know full well that going through a gate without a recon is a good way to die. (We've seen stargates that can't be turned on from their side, stargates linking to worlds where unprotected humans cannot survive, one that goes to well within the event horizon of a black hole...)

Guarding machinery? From who? Saboteurs?

Aren't you the one who said they're in a deathtrap? What if somebody decides they want it short and quick than long and slow?

How long does it take to get the layout of a ship? How many days or weeks have these people been there?

Depends on the size of the ship, number of compartments, and level of familiarity. We have every reason to believe this one's pretty large; not Atlantis-large, perhaps, but perhaps an aircraft carrier? That's gonna be at least several hundred compartments or so. You need to be able to do it on an instinctual level and be able to trace multiple paths if possible to any one point. And you have to do it at regular intervals to maintain such familarity. It's called "refresher training".

We don't know that, do we? But then, see below.

I mean seriously, you want these guys running simulations all day? To fight an enemy that doesn't exist? They already do PT, they showed it in the last episode.
In peacetime, there is still someone else out there. Even if they are a friend or a stranger, there is still someone there. Who are they planning to fight?

And quite frankly, what makes you think they didn't do all this already? That they didn't have a nice little montage of it?

I stand corrected on the PT.

As for the rest: That lack of a present enemy does not imply the lack of a future one. As many things from fighting one enemy are similar to fighting others, it is not impossible to plan to fight an enemy you do not know. I'll give them a bye on basic marksmanship, for not damaging the ship or expending stuff they may not be able to replace, but you can practice almost everything else.

This show has adopted certain conventions, particularly tailending episodes into each other, that create the impression of dense time. As such, if we do not see things happening, we have reasonable cause to believe they aren't. I mean sure, you could say they are, but when the show's doing the dense-time thing that's its problematic at best. SG-1 handled it with having people be in their non-offworld jobs, Daniel and Carter in their research spaces, to reassure us that they're doing other stuff. Atlantis had Shepard turning in fitness reports for the people he was commanding or talking with people he reported to or people who reported to him. Subtle cues, but there.

Now granted, the dense time could simply mean they're simply proceeding from one crisis to the next endlessly so they don't have time to do anything else, but then I would expect that might actually help. And as you noted the last episode sort of showed them doing something else.

That's what I'm telling you, they brought a certain way of living to a place that just doesn't need it. There is nothing for these soldiers to do. They can salute and do whatever but there is no one to fight and no one who needs protecting.

At the moment. (But see my short-and-quick comment above.) However, you've described the way the military already viewed itself. The mission of a soldier in Western society is not to fight, but to be ready to fight. This is an important distinction on the basis of having a hammer and things beginning to look like nails. Fighting will come if it will come.

I like how you don't give any examples. What did the officers do that was out of line? What did the enlisted soldiers do that was so degrading?

I just get the feeling this is you being mad because you don't see them doing practice drills. That instead of doing maneuvers all day they're sitting on their asses. It would be insanely boring to have a show of soldiers running around playing cowboys and indians against no one.

I already gave you examples. It's called inactivity. That none of these things seem to be happening in any real way is the symptoms of decay. If you're not doing anything, you're getting worse. That's how humans work. You don't practice, you not only don't get better, you lose your touch. I'm not asking for them to be doing that all show, I'm asking for them to be doing it at all. As for the breach of regs, fraternization mean anything to you? At all?

They're in a ship! They're not on a mission. There is no one to fight, nowhere to go. How do you plan to fight an enemy that isn't there? There is no enemy in this show (yet). There may never be. I have no idea what they're doing with this show. There could never be another humanoid or other kind of life form (outside that weird foggy thing).

Point A: you're not actually reading what I wrote if you're complaining they're not on-mission as if that helps; that they're not on-mission is exactly why it DOESN'T help.
Point B: The same way you plan to fight any enemy. You come up with scenarios. You run them. In this case, they might be somewhat more outlandish than the others, but you still run them. There are two very good reasons for this. Just because you don't have an enemy now does not mean there will never be, and more importantly, le cafard: Armed people. With nothing to occupy their time. Bad **** happens.

To even cite real life knowledge and experience connections Ngtm1r in the context of discussing this scifi is in pretty poor taste. Substitue stargate for that wormhole command extreme in series spinoff and you'll see why any spec ops you know would be instantly pissed for the association let alone dropping the ball and announcing the ball. 

Explain your reasoning. It does not appear sound. I'm claiming the show says it's about something, and it's not portraying it well or indeed at all. I could claim the same thing about SG-1, and be right, but it certainly did it better and was probably about as ideal as things were going to get with licensed scriptwriters at the helm. What's your point?
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