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Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
'Believable' not realistic, I'm saying that at least the big ships don't accelerate like F1 cars (except for the ST ships equipped with 'inertial dampening' and other techno-poo).

Obligatory question demanding the specs and blueprints that you have which determine just how fast they are supposed to accelerate in reality as opposed to the show

Well if you put it like that then it's down to opinion really, it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
'Believable' not realistic, I'm saying that at least the big ships don't accelerate like F1 cars (except for the ST ships equipped with 'inertial dampening' and other techno-poo).

Obligatory question demanding the specs and blueprints that you have which determine just how fast they are supposed to accelerate in reality as opposed to the show

Well if you put it like that then it's down to opinion really, it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.

@Klaustrophobia - yes

They can go faster than light
Your issues against their ability to accelerate are odd to even have...

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Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
It's just jarring is all. If you've ever seen the movie Serenity, there's a scene where one of the big ass reaver ships just plows right through the Alliance flagship, but it does it in a way that actually makes it look as if millions of tons of metals are accelerating at a velocity that looks about right. When Peggy did her suicide run I half expected her to plow right through the basestar instead of being halted because of the sheer speed. Galactica was worse, she accelerated from rest then slammed into the Colony at a speed that looked as if she'd been accelerating for far longer.

This is just my opinion and me being nitpickey; I really hated it when Zoic went, they knew how to get the visuals right.

 

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
Well if you put it like that then it's down to opinion really, it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.
If something accelerates at  49 meters a second2, then anyone on board would experience 5 Gs whether the object in question was a mass of 1,000 kg,  or 100,000,000,000 kg.

Acceleration is dependent on thrust given sufficient amounts of thrust any amount of mass could pull a surprising amount of acceleration.

 

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.

And the presence of simulated gravity did not? Or the use of FTL drives?
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Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
Well if you put it like that then it's down to opinion really, it just bothered me seeing Galactica and Peggy move that fast on nuBSG without everyone onboard turning into paste.
If something accelerates at  49 meters a second2, then anyone on board would experience 5 Gs whether the object in question was a mass of 1,000 kg,  or 100,000,000,000 kg.

Acceleration is dependent on thrust given sufficient amounts of thrust any amount of mass could pull a surprising amount of acceleration.

This I did not know. The thrust produced to get ships as large as battlestars to accelerate from rest as fast as they do in the show must be staggering.

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And the presence of simulated gravity did not? Or the use of FTL drives?

Honestly, no. It was the visuals more than anything that bothered me.

 

Offline newman

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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
Honestly, no. It was the visuals more than anything that bothered me.

There was honestly nothing wrong with the visuals in that regard. A race capable of FTL, artificial gravity, and building ships that can traverse an entire solar system on sublights in a reasonable amount of time can certainly make a large battlestar accelerate fast. That's what those 8 (on the Pegasus) huge, sci fi tech engines in the back of the thing were for :) I guess it's due to your expectation that a large ship won't accelerate fast, but BSG always went somewhere between Newtonian mechanics and rule of cool and thankfully did away with that particular cliche. It looked fine in that regard.
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Re: 'Star Trek vs BSG' or 'A fan has too much time on his hands'
The whole issue with the nuBSG's Pegasus kamikaze attack is that we have no frame of reference for when she starts her terminal attack.  The only thing in the background is the starfield, and if I remember the camera is not static, making it incredibly hard to find a frame of reference from which to measure the acceleration.  The end result is that the 'sense' of acceleration is entirely left to the viewer, and may have been exaggerated by the camera movements. 

Also BSG is a universe where humanity has managed to manipulate gravity.  While not an 'inertial dampening system,' the Colonial Fleet has the capability to engineer a device that adjusts the internal gravity of the ship to counteract the external acceleration.  We can assume this device exists because the Galactica performs many high-torque turns and everyone and everything inside is not thrown radially outward.

Also humans can withstand 9 Gs of acceleration before blacking out, and many more before actually dying.

EDIT: Just watched the entire sequence, to my eyes it appears that the Pegasus isn't accelerating all that fast, the motion relative to the camera appears nearly constant.
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