[S-99]

It's sort of welcoming to see a previous thread back here about mental health. In Texas I had been living with bed bugs for months. Fighting them was pointless since my landlord's family was so ****ing lazy about it (an air tight bag for keeping clothes in does not mean filling the damn bag so full that you can't close it...idiots). When other people aren't on the same page of being thorough with these pests; you're going to lose the war.


Yes there is quite an extreme bed bug epidemic all across america, and even other countries. It's beyond me why media outlets don't ever mention it. That even CNN got bed bugs is not funny, expect this to happen to other businesses since bed bugs are so rampant and do infest more than beds at homes.

The people I lived wth:
So, we moved to a different place somehow not bringing bed bugs with us. Now, I don't hate these people, I like them a lot actually, and they like me too. We all eat dinner together, me and her son play video games all of the time, I was not charged utilities or anything else (just rent), i could even eat there food. And her bf and me drink beer shooting the **** all the time,. But, the thing that really broke the camels back was the resurgence of bugs after a few months because of the landlords alcoholic brother that she was nice enough to give a place to stay for free to get back on his feet and find a job. He gets drunk and annoying, and then he ventures out to god knows where for days. Not, a very clean guy; damn sure he brought these ****ers from somewhere else.

How these bastards operate:
For close to half a year, I hadn't been getting much of any kind of sleep because these ****ers race all up and down your body all night long. They're not nocturnal, they have no qualms about eating you in the day, and no qualms about staying inside your clothes you're wearing and feed on you during your daily routine. If you feel something crawling on you, it's pretty much a 100% guarantee that it's not in your head if you find supporting evidence. I can even hear them walking up to my head from the pillow (they make little pop noises if they're having a difficult time getting under your covers...sleeping tight doesn't work). I don't even know how my body somehow got physically rested. On average, if i were somehow to get sleep, I was losing 4 hours or more a night. Started going to bed earlier and earlier for more hell each night. I actually do quite well with sleep deprivation, it's just that I eventually do slow down from chronically not having enough sleep for months, it's not good for my health in the long term if this keeps happening, and I would love to actually be able to sleep.

I quarantined all of my clothes in weather tight containers so bugs couldn't make a home in clothes clutter, and now I sort of have a dresser. Had to make sure I didn't bring bugs with me anywhere, and make sure that I didn't bring any back with me where ever I was going. I don't go to theaters anymore since that's quite a popular place to get them. I throw my blankets in the dryer everyday to kill whatever ones are in the blankets with heat. Careful about sitting on anything where these bastards could hide, and became quite cautious about cars. Didn't want a hive in my car. And didn't want to deal with these coming frm customer cars. They will hide anywhere that's close to a food source, and i am quite used to them not hiding in a bed frame, mattress, or box springs. It's quite common after sealing up a room for wall cracks, etc. that you may never find where they are coming from.

In texas i was terrorized for months with every night in bed being a waking hell of all things crawling all over me and eating me. The only thing that got me through it was my job, and that I moved. So, i moved to kentucky. Before I left, I was quite careful in processing clothes for laundry in my air tight containers, getting certain items to pack, and whatever of my stuff that my landlords family can keep (which was a lot of stuff). Well, what made my despair even worse was finding out that i became a walking curse. If I am in your living space, i'll leave you with something whether i wanted to or not; even without knowing...i know now. That compounded my anxiety and still degrading self worth for the past two weeks in knowing in this manner that I was unintentionally a complete douche to whoever I brought these too, and that massive depressing defeat sets in from knowing that everything I did was ineffective. I couldn't get away from them, and now my grandparents have them.

Why people don't like these bugs:
The main thing about beg bugs is that they cause psychosis just from their simple nature and also parasytosis. For 4 reasons I can think of, they are vampires, they are so resilient, they're great at winning the infestation wars, they have the ability to break you. I find that my purppose in life, duty, and job has been stripped, existence itself really really doesn't make sense to me anymore, life is mediocre, that i went down a path to never achieve my dreams and therefore myself be doomed to mediocrity, the fact that people are kind and happy to see me is so alien. I have been broken and am shutdown. Maybe i should check out going to a mental hospital for a bit, but I probably won't.

Ineffective methods:
**** all of this normal **** of fighting with uneffective equipment and pesticides. Heat treating works (unreliable), freezing works (winters have yet to be cold and long enough for me to put everything in my car parked outside and de-infest my **** (i am not in alaska anymore), freezing isn't always viable), most modern day bug sprays for these bastards are only contact killers (completely ****ing worthless, in fact spraying insecticide usually makes them scatter to other rooms spreading the problem), diatomaceous earth (this **** actually works, but it take a bed bug 7 - 10 days to die from dehydration after walking through the powder), mattress and box spring bags (this also works, but I rate as marginally effective since bed bugs not in your bed can inhabit ontop of these bags under your sheets; getting just these bags will not end the fight), quarantining your clothes and bedding (always viable with marginal effectiveness, these bugs are sneaky, treat it as though they can get into the quarantine).

So, that's diatomaceous earth, mattress and box spring bags, and quarantining **** you wear and sleep with always questioning it to be safe. And these are the things that can actually help out of that list of normal methods. Definitely incomplete.

Alternatives and off label usage:
I researched DDT which pointed me in the right direction of off label usage of alternatives. Malathion kills these ****ers and is still sold (dangerous nerve agent, used to be used for bed bugs before EPA outdoor use'd), pest strips with ddvp are highly effective (ddvp is dangerous, consider it store purchaseable saracin gas, in fact you could probably get the same damn results with weaponized ddvp), diatomaceous earth is still great to keep in hand, hot scalding water (night time routine), and ivermectin will probably be the only thing that will truly boost your confidence.


This is the holy grail.

The dewormer ivermectin kills bed bugs a short while after having drank your blood. I'll happily let them eat me then.  This way of clearing out as much as 70% of an infestation works, but is not fda approved, and is also not otc. Luckily animal meds are otc. Equine ivermectin is made with the same ingredients as the human variant (even the same main ingredient percentage); it just comes in an apple flavored paste, and doing the correct dosage is retardedly easy. You find out how to use horse ivermectin properly (well, as properly as one can take a dosage of animal meds at least...) by having researched other people with parasytes that are just extremely desperate for this dewormer because it works and will cure them. And i'm talking about people with scabies.

People with scabies have more or less performed their own human trial runs of horse ivermectin in humans. Turns out to be safe, and just follows the same rule of how to take medications; correct dosage, and when and when you shouldn't take another dose.

It takes actual working quite dangerous pesticides, and you yourself can even become a walking dangerous pesticide too. Is all of this dangerous, yes. Is this stuff cheaper, yes. Does this stuff work, yes. American exterminators have been largely disarmed of their big sexy effective nukes by regulations and the epa and replaced their arsenal with ineffective nerf guns. A lot of these regulations go after the fact that something can simply hurt someone; certain things no longer sold or just repurposed, labels have changed and new products are sold. That's ok, a lot of people will still not rtfm and hurt themselves from using a product ignorantly (i rtfm and even do a hell of a lot of extra research and cross referencing, for me to consider off label usage backed by the research of said off label usage, the chances of me hurting myself from an educated cautious stand point are pretty low). A lot of this alternative stuff I'm probably never going to use, but it is here for mental comfort, and just in case. I plan on only taking ivermectin since there's probably like 5 bugs, or at least they all swarm to me, high chances of just wiping them out right there.

On people who have scabies:
I have had a pretty miserable time, but my logic tells me that there are of course many others in this world who have had a worse time, and especially worse times in a similar area. I have no idea what I am on a scale of 1 - 10, but scabies sufferers I would rate at a 10. My heart goes out to them for they are truly terrorized and losing their sanity.

On a last note, **** getting an apartment!

[Scourge of Ages]

Bed bugs are terrifying. Every time I read about them, I'm freaked out for weeks.
I do appreciate the warnings, and will try to be careful at all times, and I really appreciate the practical advice. I hope you kill every last one of the buggers!

[watsisname]

I had a bed bug infestation a few years ago when living in Virginia, thanks to family friends who visited and had the bastards within their luggage.  Few months later, and nearly all my sanity was lost.

****.  THOSE.  BUGS.

We cleaned out all of our bedding, clothes, and anything else we could think of that would be hiding them.  Then they would reappear seemingly from nowhere to eat us alive again.  Got an exterminator.  He discovered a few would be hiding behind the goddamn picture frames on the walls, and hence repopulated in a few days.  Sneaky little bastards.  But he found them.  Then he killed them dead.  They remained dead.  Halle****inglugoddamnedjah.  Gloriously pest free ever since.

I have never before heard of people using horse wormers.  I find your application of apple-flavored oral pesticide for horses on yourself hilarious, awesome, and mildly terrifying.  Keep up the fight and don't die brotha'.

[S-99]

It is sort of funny with the horse paste As soon as i found out about trials of killing bed bugs with ivermectin, i was sold.

Here we go. Apple flavor. I'm the cool kid on the block with the stuff that hopefully doesn't taste like ****.


Horse worming meds typically come in a tube, or i found out quite commonly a syringe. Either way, the syringe or tube both contain enough for treating a 1250 pound beast. Of course, i ended up with the syringe which i find looks to be easier to dose up with. It has notches on the plunger for each 250 pounds of the 1250. It's already in the same concentration as the human I weigh 150 pounds. Should be relatively easy to take the correct amount. I'm not fighting scabies, so i'll be taking the stuff once every 7 days.

On the normal side of fighting bugs, ddvp is highly effective for all critters, and i mean all life that has a brain. Nuvan prostrips came highly recommended.

These are specifically labelled for bed bugs. However, hot shot no pest strips have the same amount of ddvp as the nuvan, and of course does the same thing...just not labelled for bed bugs (this is the only difference).

Ddvp; just knock off saracin gas. This is perfect if your like me and have the time and patience to seal up and quarantine a room for treatment for weeks. The strips will emit vapors that penetrate into cloth, etc. Great for couches, cars, a whole entire room up to 1200 cubic feet for 4 months. You don't have to go for 4 months, it will just go that long for a strip, usually a month is recommended. A wasteful and costly use that is recommended is to put a strip into each bag of clothes for 2 weeks to a month; i think would rather just do laundry. Some people have been dumbasses and cut a strip up and put it around places around the house and were complaining about chest tightness (RTFM!!!!). Unfortunately, these people were still stupid and didn't die and throw the stuff in the trash outside and gave bad product reviews

Then there's malathion.

I got a bottle of the concentrate to dilute with water for when that rare case comes up that I might need to use it. I probably never will, but I feel better having it around like the strips i probably also will not use. I just feel better that I don't have to wait and go get this stuff. Well, the fumes of this stuff is also similar to sarin gas. But, it's used more like how ddt was back in the day, it's just a long term residual pesticide. Humans got a long a lot better with ddt though. To use this stuff off label, people were quite successful in ridding their own infestations with just this. Take care of all of your items like clothes and etc. Get a chemical suit, and spray down your place. Have somewhere else to live for like a week. Go back in with chemical suit to clean the pesticide off of your living space. Wait more days for fumes to vent out.

Diatomaceous earth is fun stuff. People recommend the food grade stuff for obvious reasons. But, i got the big bag of non food grade because it was easier to get the stuff in bulk close to where i live.

Big bag; i can be as generous as i want with this ****. Commonly i always go along the perimeter of the room with a lot of the stuff. Great under couch cushions, mattresses, etc. Non-toxic as long as you don't breathe or eat the stuff (eat the food grade stuff, cleans out your intestines). I make the floor nice and dusty too. Vacuums up, but you'll be cleaning out that filter a few times until your done.

Aside from diatomaceous earth, the above stuff is quite dangerous with ivermectin being quite less so. I'm not going after exact instructions for how to use these things, just a summary of how people have used them effectively.

A product that will probably kill people.

There are several idiots who decided to sleep on the mattress in the bag with the ddvp strip inside.

Speaking of mattress and box spring bags. Don't get the ones made out of vinyl. It tears so ****ing easy. I plugged 20 holes in the box spring bag from the holes getting there from simply putting everything back on the bed frame. Also metal bed frames are better as bed bugs have a preference for harboring on wood. Don't have bed against the wall either! If you get something cool like interceptors for the feet of your bed frame to keep them from crawling up. Then you don't want them able to crawl the wall onto the frame...speaking of which, **** head boards. A nasty thing these ****ers do climb the wall and ceilling and just drop on you. The chances of this i've found is quite minimal, but also helps to minimize it by not having your bed close to the wall, they are not great climbers, and you usually won't find them on ceillings.

EDIT: Sarin gas, not the non-existant saracin variant i meant to reference earlier.

[jr2]

Bed bugs can easily come from one overnight stay in a motel. So.. Don't always assume someone was infected just because they brought them with them, they could have picked them up on the way over.

[TwentyPercentCooler]

The horror stories I've heard about these things...uuuugggghhhh. I can even get along with spiders and snakes, but bedbugs? NOPE.

All this stuff is nice to know, though. Thanks for posting! Never heard of using horse wormer.

[S-99]

I just took my first dose. It was the first 3 notches of the 250 pound part of the plunger. It definitely was apple flavored, but not sweetened. It tasted like 65% crap. Anyway, there are side effects. And yes, I more or less gave myself the go ahead after checking rather how safe this stuff is to take after a week of constant research of people using this stuff off label successfully for scabies, and the fact that I have no allergies to medications.

Speaking of scabies ivermectin research; here's a neto link that summarizes horse paste from topix.com. Some people could get prescriptions for ivermectin, many couldn't, some misdiagnosed, some with different strains of scabies, sometimes the normal treatment of topical permethrin works. What usually happened was that people who have had scabies for months and learning about ivermectin, and then about how to procure it, and then some rather brave dosing for what most people knew was a ****ing cure. Great accounts of desperate and brave people. I wonder how many of them didn't have as much care if they died from an over dose with the cure after months of being terrorized like that (many of these people were taking half a tube or more of the horse past if not every day, then every few). Most like horse paste or the ivermectin cattle injectables that a lot took orally anyway (easier to dose properly with a needle). That's a lot of valuable data on ivermectin intake with correct and incorrect dosages. And damn, getting scabies sounds like something only satan would wish on somebody.

Call your doctor at once if you have any of these serious side effects:

    vision changes or problems with your vision;
    urinary or bowel problems;
    weakness, confusion, lack of coordination;
    eye redness, swelling, or pain; or
    seizure (convulsions).

Other less serious side effects may be more likely to occur, such as:

    nausea, diarrhea;
    dizziness;
    swelling of your hands, ankles, or feet;
    swelling or tenderness of your lymph nodes;
    itching or skin rash; or
    feeling that something is in your eye(s).

A lot of these side effects come from the fact that you have a parasyte that is dying inside of you. Different side effects based on what you're killing. Basicly, the most i should get is drowsy, and i doubt a headache since I am dealing with ecto parasytes.

So, i'm drowsy, I will sleep good, the ****'s in my veins now. And keep in mind, I am doing something very very different which is summarized here.

Abstract
BACKGROUND:

Bedbug infestations are increasing across North America and Europe, with more people presenting to Emergency Departments for treatment. Physicians cannot provide substantive treatment for people affected by bedbugs.
STUDY OBJECTIVE:

To determine if ivermectin, a relatively inexpensive and safe, long-acting oral anti-parasitic drug is able to cause bedbug morbidity and mortality.
METHODS:

We evaluated the effects of ivermectin on bedbugs using an artificial feeding membrane and mice and humans. Bedbug morbidity, mortality, and nymph molting was recorded.
RESULTS:

Using an artificial feeding membrane, bedbug mortality was 98% (n = 81) for 260 ng/mL ivermectin and 0% for 0 ng/mL ivermectin (control; n = 90) after 13 days. Mortality for bedbugs fed on mice injected with the human equivalent of 200 μg/kg ivermectin was 86% (n = 22), vs. 0% in the 0 μg/kg ivermectin (control; n = 21). Of the surviving nymphs, 0% exposed to ivermectin molted by day 75, vs. 80% in the control group by day 8. Bedbugs that fed once on human study subjects 3 h after consuming 200 μg/kg of oral ivermectin had a 63% (n = 24) 20-day mortality rate, vs. 8% (n = 24) in the control group. Of the surviving nymphs, 0% (n = 5) in the 3-h ivermectin group molted, vs. 80% (n = 10) of the control group.
CONCLUSIONS:

It may be possible that ivermectin could help eradicate, suppress, or prevent a bedbug infestation.

I'm doing this because **** THOSE BUGS! And because I found it quite inspirational and intriguing (i liked the popular science article better). I realize that this was only an experiment, and what I am doing is also one.

[watsisname]

Good luck S-99, keep us posted.  Sleep well, and this time, let the bed bugs bite.

[S-99]

Oh man, the idea i have is golden. It's so scary in practice though. Letthing these nasty things crawl all over you to feed. I slept with my head sealed under the covers allowing access to my legs and chest. What really ****s with them getting to you under the covers is sleeping in a half folded blanket. I heard one bastard clicking and popping near my head (they are not quiet bugs, and they seem quite ready to munch the moment I am in bed. That bastard wouldn't stop moving around. I figured he'd get to my head sometime, but wish he would go for a leg or chest instead. I don't want to be at job interviews communicating "look at my face welt, come on man, keep looking"

The good news is that fighting the bugs in here after fighting them initially a week ago with a **** ton of diatomaceous earth was quite successful. There was a few days of diatomaceous earth over a week ago. I cleaned that **** up last week only to have some crazy ****ers crawling on me still. My theory is that they were already dying, because there's only one in here now. The same one from last night. He can still bite me though.

I slept really well, and I don't know if he bit me or not. After a 10.5 hour sleep, I am still drowsy. If he doesn't die, then he won't be able to molt.
 

[Sololop]

Just read an article that talks about a BedBug trap, new type of trap to lure bedbugs to the trap, and keep them there permanently.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bedbug-bait-and-trap-invented-by-simon-fraser-university-scientists-1.2881654

Not quite sure how effective it may be, but hopefully is a good sign for future of these bugs.

[S-99]

That was quite interesting. Bed bugs are attracted to our histamine levels. Using bed bug pheremones is something that's new. As opposed to a bed bug detector what they're talking about, i think it'd be cool to have bed bug pheremone laced diatomaceous earth.

EDIT: I got really bit up last night. Those ****ers don't know what they're messing with now

[S-99]

I've done some thinking and have changed my dosing requirements to once every night. Arthropods only matter when ivermectin is still in your blood stream. Dosing for scabies with the same drug is a different process of course for a more natural use of the drug.

The only way for me to test for success is quite rough. It's literally based on how many bugs are crawling on me after a week or more since there is only one food source with one control group. I'm a very very light sleeper. I don't know how the rest of you sleep when there's **** crawling on you.

[Renddi64]

Dealing with bed bugs is not an easy task. It is very difficult and we should only get professional help to deal with them. Personally I use the regular services of Pest control Port Macquarie company. Their work is always satisfactory and affordable as well!!

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[The E]

Hi there. Several things.
1. Please prove that you're not a spambot. A reasonably intelligible reply to this post is sufficient.
2. I have removed the link in your post because first-time posters bumping topics everyone has forgotten about trigger that reflex.
3. Please do not bump topics everyone's forgotten about.
4. Unless you have something relevant to contribute.
5. Which a link to an australian pest control company certainly isn't, as most readers here (including the OP) are nowhere near Oz.

[Mika]

Coming back to the topic of bed bugs, I had one incursion in the hotel in Bilbao during my work trip in the end of October. The bastards managed to crawl in my luggage, and despite letting them enjoy -5C fresh air for a couple of days outside, some of them still somehow managed to get inside my apartment. Getting six bite marks three days after the trip at home was the last straw. I ordered an exterminator who specialized in heat treatment of apartments, he used pressurized air at 3 bars and 90C, which has a rather amusingly devastating effect on the bed bugs. It basically boils them inside out, and splits open the nymphs.  No bite marks for three weeks after that. But **** those insects - the only answer to them is this with extreme prejudice:


What it comes to the bites, they are extremely itchy, and that is coming from somebody who gets eaten by mosquitos every year. Not to mention that your skin becomes hypersensitive to all kinds of apparent motion, including the skin hair. So you'll often find yourself looking at the imaginary movement when going to bed. And this is only by getting subjected for a handful of bed bugs, can't imagine what it is to live with them for months!

I'll gladly trade bed bugs to our gnats who have the courtesy of emitting a rather high pitch whine nearby!

[Bobboau]

they really are the nastiest living things I am aware of, and I am aware of screw worm flies.
just look up their life-cycle.