[CP5670]

In that light, I think it would be a good idea not to repeat the numbers between Terran and vasudan squads.

Is there anything in FS canon to refute me?

At the moment I can think of the two 33rd squadrons that are both mentioned in FS2, and I think 67th might have appeared somewhere in there as well. It seems okay to me to repeat the numbers though. After all, we know they repeat the fleet numbers, and while pilots are exchanged all the time the squadrons always remain on the same ship (unless the ship is decommisioned or destroyed, but even then it is always ship of the same species), so it would be fine to have repeating numbers when different species are involved.

Now regarding the official squadlogos that were not used in the main campaign, I think we should assign them numbers as well. A few comments though:

The deathsquad one does not appear to have a number; it could be called Death Squad or Death Skulls.

The scorpsquad logos are all NTF squadrons, which do not appear to have names. (btw notice the similarity with these and the Nod logo from the C&C games )

Then we have the two rgrdgr things; what on earth could that mean? Roger Dodgers or Roger Daggers don't make much sense but that is the only stuff I can think of that would fit.

I cannot quite tell what that tsusquad logo is supposed to be either. Tsunami is the only word I can think of that would fit there, but the logo is not exactly a tsunami. (actually, I am unsure of what the logo depicts in the first place) Although as you said, the abstraction suggests a Vasudan logo in which case no name would be needed.

Also, the 109th in the above list should be called the Flaming Skulls rather than the 103rd, since that logo has the 109 number on it.

BTW I just noticed that the planet in the 107th Ravens logo is the same as the briefing icon one and the planetf one.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by CP5670
At the moment I can think of the two 33rd squadrons that are both mentioned in FS2, and I think 67th might have appeared somewhere in there as well. It seems okay to me to repeat the numbers though. After all, we know they repeat the fleet numbers, and while pilots are exchanged all the time the squadrons always remain on the same ship (unless the ship is decommisioned or destroyed, but even then it is always ship of the same species), so it would be fine to have repeating numbers when different species are involved.

Can you find the instance where the 33rd was repeated? I want to check this myself, as well.

Originally posted by CP5670
Now regarding the official squadlogos that were not used in the main campaign, I think we should assign them numbers as well. A few comments though:

The deathsquad one does not appear to have a number; it could be called Death Squad or Death Skulls.

That's one suggestions; I await others.

Originally posted by CP5670
The scorpsquad logos are all NTF squadrons, which do not appear to have names. (btw notice the similarity with these and the Nod logo from the C&C games )

Never played C&C, but yeah, all the NTF squads had the scorpion tail motif; I wonder what Bosch thought about this?

Originally posted by CP5670
Then we have the two rgrdgr things; what on earth could that mean? Roger Dodgers or Roger Daggers don't make much sense but that is the only stuff I can think of that would fit.

These pirate skull and crossbone pics (including the 99th Skulls logo) are known as "jolly rogers"; the "rodger dodger" thing was probably an inside joke between the game designers.

Originally posted by CP5670
I cannot quite tell what that tsusquad logo is supposed to be either. Tsunami is the only word I can think of that would fit there, but the logo is not exactly a tsunami. (actually, I am unsure of what the logo depicts in the first place) Although as you said, the abstraction suggests a Vasudan logo in which case no name would be needed.

Yah, I agree, the "tsusquad" pic DOES look Vasudan, so let's use it as such.

Originally posted by CP5670
Also, the 109th in the above list should be called the Flaming Skulls rather than the 103rd, since that logo has the 109 number on it.

Sheepy and I found a briefing ani (one of the first ones in the original campaign for the 53rd Hammerhead training missions at the start of the game) that shows the names for 10 squads that were stationed on the GTD Bastion during the First Great war. The squad named the "Flaming Skulls was DEFINITELY numbered the 103rd (Sheepy and I both checked it). The 109th number on the logo is either a typo or an oversight. I'm going with the briefing ani.

Originally posted by CP5670
BTW I just noticed that the planet in the 107th Ravens logo is the same as the briefing icon one and the planetf one.

I always thought that the "planet" in the Ravens logo was the Moon. It always seemed like the Moon to me...I mean, who associates ravens with extraterrestrial planets? Ravens have always been associated with night and the Moon since time immemorial, IIRC. (Just read Poe's poem "The Raven" or go see the movie "The Crow.") Then again, they've been associated with the day and as servants of the Sun as well.

But, yeah, I always thought it was the Moon on the 107th logo.

[CP5670]

Can you find the instance where the 33rd was repeated? I want to check this myself, as well.

We have the 33rd Jokers in that Bastion squadron animation, and the 33rd Vasudan squadron in sm2-05. (when Epsilon arrives they say they are from the 33rd squadron aboard the GVD Memphis)

Never played C&C, but yeah, all the NTF squads had the scorpion tail motif; I wonder what Bosch thought about this?

Then again, I suppose it makes sense considering he wasn't all that proud of the NTF...

These pirate skull and crossbone pics (including the 99th Skulls logo) are known as "jolly rogers"; the "rodger dodger" thing was probably an inside joke between the game designers.

That's what I thought too, but do the logos represent squads?

Sheepy and I found a briefing ani (one of the first ones in the original campaign for the 53rd Hammerhead training missions at the start of the game) that shows the names for 10 squads that were stationed on the GTD Bastion during the First Great war. The squad named the "Flaming Skulls was DEFINITELY numbered the 103rd (Sheepy and I both checked it). The 109th number on the logo is either a typo or an oversight. I'm going with the briefing ani.

Hmm, I checked this out and you are right that there is an inconsistency here. Which is to be considered more accurate though?

I always thought that the "planet" in the Ravens logo was the Moon. It always seemed like the Moon to me...I mean, who associates ravens with extraterrestrial planets? Ravens have always been associated with night and the Moon since time immemorial, IIRC. (Just read Poe's poem "The Raven" or go see the movie "The Crow.") Then again, they've been associated with the day and as servants of the Sun as well.

I suppose one could associate anything with just about anything else...

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by CP5670
We have the 33rd Jokers in that Bastion squadron animation, and the 33rd Vasudan squadron in sm2-05. (when Epsilon arrives they say they are from the 33rd squadron aboard the GVD Memphis)

Good eye, CP, I missed this. I'll double check it, but you haven't gone wrong on specific canon references yet.

Originally posted by CP5670
Then again, I suppose it makes sense considering he wasn't all that proud of the NTF...

Yah, true.

Originally posted by CP5670
That's what I thought too, but do the logos represent squads?

None that I have seen, certainly nothing in FS canon. No squads mentioned in the original campaign used these jolly roger logos, with the exception of the 99th Skulls. Now that I think about it, these other jolly roger pics may have been possible candidates for the 99th Skulls logo. picked the non-sword, non-headscarf logo to represent the 99th and probably forgot to delete the other jolly roger pics. (It's as good an explanation as any.)

Originally posted by CP5670
Hmm, I checked this out and you are right that there is an inconsistency here. Which is to be considered more accurate though?

IMO, I think the ani is better, especially since the jolly roger logos don't seem to mean anything, so the 109th Flaming Skulls logo is probably not accurate either.

Originally posted by CP5670
I suppose one could associate anything with just about anything else...

Yeah, kinda how you associate numbers with the word "fun" and also how you associate women with the words "ugh, no thanks..." :D

[Su-tehp]

I've made a decision. IIRC, the Wild Cards was a squad in the sci fi show "Space: Above and Beyond". (I'm still a little pissed that show only lasted one measly season, but I'll rant about that later.) But in "Space: Above and Beyond", the Wild cards were given 58th as their number.

What I want to do is this: change the Wild Cards number from 28th back to 58th, and have the Black Sheep with the 28th as their number. In other words, add to/modify the squad list like this:

28th Black Sheep
58th Wild Cards

We'll use the "sheepsquad.pcx" logo for the 28th. The Wild Cards logo needs to be touched up/improved, but you already know about this, Sheepy. Take as much time as you need.

EDIT: Something else: the "deathsquad.pcx" logo will be named as "the Death's Heads." I still gotta assign them a number, though...

[Sheepy]

You guys like keeping me busy,

Ok as for the jolly roger logo's, i think there are just in there for fluff like the V logo, they are there for a larger choice of SW/PXO logo's if u know what i mean, i already have a 103rd falming skulls pic, so no worries there and im updating the list not.

Oh, the Tsunami squad was given to me by ivan i think for his new mod, so i doubt it relates to the logo in question.

Most of the Squads in the VP files arnt used, the ones i put in were the ones i liked if u know what i mean, but if u want the other adding no probs..... think i got every thing...

[Sheepy]

Ok this is my latest list, with squads and the logos have made/found for them, just so u know how progress is going on them.

Squads and there Logo’s

1st Avenging Angels - Done
2nd Shattered Stars - Done
13th Reapers
17th Hellcats - Done
18th Grizzlies
19th (Destroyed trying to protect 3rd Fleet HQ)
23rd Flying Panthers
25th Hands of God - Done
26th White Tigers - Done
28th Black Sheep - Done
43rd Da-Bomb Squad - Done
47th Cutthroats
33rd Jokers
33rd (Vasudan Squadron)
39th Scarlet Fangs
49th Falcons
53rd Hammerheads
58th Wild Cards
61st Bulldogs - Done
64th Raptors - Done
66th Black Knights
67th Desperados - Done
70th Blue Lions - Done
73rd Crazy Ivans
76th Yankees
77th Deadly Sevens - Done
79th Predators
81st Screaming Weasels
83rd White Pumas
85th Guiding Stars
87th Space Cowboys
91st Evil Eyes - Done
92nd Lonestars - Done
92nd (Vasudan Squadron) - Done
99th Skulls - Done
101st Aces
103rd Flaming Skulls - Done
105th Gunslingers - Done
107th Ravens - Done
108th Wraiths - Done
109th Black Panthers - Done
110th Stalking Moons
116th Golden Eagles - Done
125th (Vasudan Squadron) - Done
134th Barracudas – Done
161st (Vasudan Squadron) - Done
180th Man Bombers - Done
185th (NTF squadron) - Done
203rd (Vasudan Squadron) - Done
204th Rattlers - Done
212th Silver Scythes - Done
223rd Wing Raptors
242nd Suicide Kings - Done
228th (Vasudan Squadron)
301st Tsunamis
309th (Helps protect the Vega Node)
332nd Black Mantas - Done - new version is wip
636th Wolfpack - Done
666th Devil’s Disciples

so if u have any idea to put forward either post them here or prefrably e-mail  me.

[Su-tehp]

Don't forget, 17th Hellcats is also done. And the Mad Bombers got misspelled again. :D

61st Bulldogs, 91st Evil Eyes and 204th Rattlers are all done? I can't wait to see them!

161st (Vasudan Squadron) was done by CP I think, but we can make another version if we need to. And 203rd (Vasudan Squadron) and 53rd Hammerheads are FS2 original squads, so they're done as well (by , no less).

As for 2nd Shattered Stars, did you make a new logo, Sheepy, or are we going with SSC's original logo? I was kinda hoping for an original logo of a star going supernova, but SSC might be insulted if we don't use their original logo...

Decisions, decisions...

[Sheepy]

Cheers for the reminder, time to get some more pumped out ... ill send u that latest set, then u can tell me if u want ny re-doing/modifying, ok?

For SSC, i have kept the origonal, i think its a pretty cool myself

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Sheepy
Cheers for the reminder, time to get some more pumped out ... ill send u that latest set, then u can tell me if u want ny re-doing/modifying, ok?

Will do, Sheepy. You're doing a great job.

[Sheepy]

Ok sent u the mail, should be with u some time soonish

[BlackDove]

Hmm...I don't recall seeing any of our sqaud pictures with a supernova...anyway if you wanna use a super nova star for the image it might suit the squad name better to be one of SSC's Squads, "Burning Stars".

[Sheepy]

dovie i have left it as the origonal it saves me of hassel

[Su-tehp]

Ok, Sheepy, I've looked over the latest logos and thy look really good. There are some changes I want o make; I'll e-mail you about that later today.

Really, great stuff, Sheepy, these logos look awesome. I'll talk to Lone about posting these on the DatDB website soon.

[Sheepy]

cheers dude, i havent done much more, cause i havent been home and preping for college and so on, its been a lil hectic, anyway when i get some spare time ill get back down to business.