[Solatar]

let me clear up the definition of ship classes. We have the Fenris class cruiser, the Orion class destroyer, etc.. Not the corvette class, or destroyer class. Exception-They are called destroyer class, and cruiser class, etc.. but only when the warship is unknown.

StarGunner, I have pressed this over and over again. And I'm still waiting, give me one GOOD reason why there were no corvettes in the T-V War. Also, maybe there weren't any in the T-V War. But we are working some on the Unification War also. Why can't we have corvettes in the Unification War? Corvettes carry the NEW capital ship turret. Until then, they had been using slightly modified ML-16's and torpedos ( Dumbed down Fusion Mortars will be in the campaign ). Then the capital ship turret ( Terran Turret, Terran Huge Turret, and Terran Turret#Weak) came out. The GTA made corvettes for the same reason the GTVA did almost fifty years later. To have a ship worth carrying the new, powerful weaponry.

[CODEDOG ND]

I'd prefer just using the names cruiser and destroyer, but I don't see any reason you shouldn't see corvettes or frigates in fs1.

[CP5670]

StarGunner, I have pressed this over and over again. And I'm still waiting, give me one GOOD reason why there were no corvettes in the T-V War. Also, maybe there weren't any in the T-V War. But we are working some on the Unification War also. Why can't we have corvettes in the Unification War? Corvettes carry the NEW capital ship turret. Until then, they had been using slightly modified ML-16's and torpedos ( Dumbed down Fusion Mortars will be in the campaign ). Then the capital ship turret ( Terran Turret, Terran Huge Turret, and Terran Turret#Weak) came out. The GTA made corvettes for the same reason the GTVA did almost fifty years later. To have a ship worth carrying the new, powerful weaponry.

You better have a good reason for why they ended production of the corvettes by FS1, though. (and that all existing ones were destroyed or decommisioned)

[Solatar]

I have a good reason. And it kind of melds with some of you guys'. Here goes.

The GTA mounted powerful turrets on the new Repulse corvette. The corvette was cheap to manufacture, and could carry many turrets. The turret armor was strong, but the rest of the ship was not very powerful. The GTA though that speed would help it win battles. Once they met the Vasudans, and fought with them, they changed their minds. The Vasudan Aten could outrun it, and its two main guns would be able to destroy the Repulse. After a while, the Repulse corvettes were all destroyed. The last few being destroyed in the Vega Engagement.
Instead of attempting another corvette, and risking all that they had. They decided to upgrade the almost impervious Fenris. Adding turrets, and armor. The Leviathan was very expensive, but it was a much better defenseive ship than the Fenris.

So, the GTC Leviathan replaced the GTCv Repulse, which had been in service since th middle of the last Unification War.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by quadinhonic_II


I think what its saying is that the Levi\Fenris was the only cruiser in OPERATION at the time of the GREAT WAR. Its says Great War, not the TV war.
 

From tbl entry (FS2)

XSTR("The GTC Fenris class is the aging stalwart among the Alliance's warships. Before the Great War, the Fenris was Terran Command's only class of cruisers. During the war, Terran Command decided to build a second line of cruisers, the Leviathans, to free the Fenris from escort and guard duties. Fenris cruisers have fought in virtually every theatre of operation. These fast, versatile cruisers pack enough punch in their 260-meter-long hulls to go toe-to-toe with any enemy cruiser. The Fenris's speed and maneuverability make it a good choice for strike missions.", 3045)

I think 'Great War' should read 'T-V War' or such, based on the description.  Also, the fact that the Leviathan was designed when the GTA realised the war was going to last longer than a few months, suggests that the Fenris (effectively it's ancestor) must have been in service from the start of the war.

Oh, and I'd say that a corvette is improbable for the T-V war simply because it's a fairly modern ship design (FS2 era)... it's main purpose seemingly to take on the stronger Shivan vessels (as far as the GTVA is concerned.  The Shivan classes are really only based on apparent purpose and size).  There's no good reason that the GTVA would have a ship larger than a Fenris, yet less battle-effective.  Unless it carried fighters, which would make it, IMO a light carrier type craft.

Oh, and BTW - Hades, from what I read of the tech descriptions / FSrefbible, the Leviathan was conceived very early on in the war, probably after only a few months when no apparent breakthrough was immenent.

[Solatar]

Yes, the Leviathan was convieved very early in the war, but not the Unification War. The GTCv Repulse was created before/during the Unification War. So, I've decided that by the time the T-V War started, these were out of service.

[Shrike]

I wouldn't go overboard on the capships, personally.  The original T-V war didn't focus too much on capship action it seemed.  Also, there's other designations that you can use besides corvette.

Carrack, sloop, cutter, gunship.....  Try 'em.

[Knight Templar]

or even *gasp* cruiser! yes, another cruiser!

or Gunship liek Shriky said, Gunships are cool. How bout' something more exotic like Slaveship .. ?

Explorer, Patrol Ship, Assualt Gunboat, trying maybe going for freighter or Fenris size, but lots of smallish guns, maybe a Torp launcher as a main weapon.

Maybe if you made an already aging ship that is bigger than the fenris (say 500 m?) but looks nothing liek it (we don't need a third fenris ship..) with slightly more, but older weapons, and through the camp it gets phased out by the fenris or something.

[Shrike]

Slaveship?  

Anyhow, putting in non-cruiser designs isn't too weird, they can just be old.  After all, how many capships did you really see in FS1?  I don't remember very many.  And if there was say a 10:1 ratio of Fenrises to other ships.....

[Knight Templar]

Slaveship?

t'was a joke.. well possibly, like Terrans take Vasudan Slaves or vice-versa.

[Solatar]

Slave ships are out of the question. Even if you're not joking, they are non-negotiable.

Also, here is the deal, in case you don't know. We have a model. In the Stripped down release it is the GTC Repulse. We are trying to decide whether to make it a corvette, or leave it as a cruiser. We already have a cutter, but I've made it into a cruiser. We'e also got enough Terran installations to last. We have a node blockade, the GTI Achilles ( Seen in the pics ) and the Arcadia.

[Knight Templar]

Slave ships are out of the question. Even if you're not joking, they are non-negotiable.

hmmm... how's bout' a Artillery Support Ship, or a Cruise Missle Frigate (GTFg Ranger)

[Solatar]

I was already thinking about artillary ships. GTAc. That might work. Does anybody else want them? And frigates, will work. I've devided to stop some fighting, and maybe name my "corvette' the Leo battlecruiser. GTBC Leo. I have a perfect frigate model to use.

[Knight Templar]

Question:

Will you have Mass Driver/Shell launchers in early TV war missions? I think this would be logical (especially for things such as the Artillery) because they could cause a lot of damage, are plausible for that era, and could be the Pre plasma turrets possibly.

[EdrickV]

Considering the fact that the actual concept of a Corvette class ship (regardless of it's actual meaning at any point in time) predates the present day by over 100 years, I see no reason why there couldn't be Corvette class ships in the FS1 and TV war eras. As to why they weren't seen in the canon FS1 campaigns, there are many possible reasons. (It's not like every single ship in the entire universe was involved in that war, much less happen to be where one particular pilot was.) One in particular that strikes me as logical is that, at that time, the last Corvette class was designed during or before the TV war and had been relagated to relatively safe duties while Command put the newer and more powerful ships at the head of the battle. It's also possible, if the design was so old, that there wouldn't be very many ships of that type left and they might even have been retired before the time of the Great War. As to a Corvette's role in the TV war, that would be up to the MODders to decide. It would certainly be different from a modern FS2 Corvette due to the different technologies available. I have seen nothing that says the Corvette ship type was designed to fight the Shivans using beam weapons. Only info saying that certain ship classes were built for that purpose.

Whether anyone working on the TV War MOD decides to use a Corvette class is an entirely different matter and is (of course) up to them. But I do think it's possible without any real problems.

[StarGunner]

Originally posted by EdrickV
Considering the fact that the actual concept of a Corvette class ship (regardless of it's actual meaning at any point in time) predates the present day by over 100 years, I see no reason why there couldn't be Corvette class ships in the FS1 and TV war eras. As to why they weren't seen in the canon FS1 campaigns, there are many possible reasons. (It's not like every single ship in the entire universe was involved in that war, much less happen to be where one particular pilot was.) One in particular that strikes me as logical is that, at that time, the last Corvette class was designed during or before the TV war and had been relagated to relatively safe duties while Command put the newer and more powerful ships at the head of the battle. It's also possible, if the design was so old, that there wouldn't be very many ships of that type left and they might even have been retired before the time of the Great War. As to a Corvette's role in the TV war, that would be up to the MODders to decide. It would certainly be different from a modern FS2 Corvette due to the different technologies available. I have seen nothing that says the Corvette ship type was designed to fight the Shivans using beam weapons. Only info saying that certain ship classes were built for that purpose.

Whether anyone working on the TV War MOD decides to use a Corvette class is an entirely different matter and is (of course) up to them. But I do think it's possible without any real problems.

I don't mean to be blunt but the Corvette is too new a consept for the T-V War and it would be siliy to use ti as such......... I do not have a prob with the ship it's self but with the Class name. I think it would be cool to have somthing like it, like a Assoult Class of ship. You could then leave the ship the size it is but add a fighter bay and make it so it only can house one fighter wing, I think that would be more plosible.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by StarGunner


I don't mean to be blunt but the Corvette is too new a consept for the T-V War and it would be siliy to use ti as such......... I do not have a prob with the ship it's self but with the Class name.

Yeah of course it's a new consept. It's not like they didn`t have corvettes in the 1600's. It's not like the corvettes of later generations couldn`t claim to be a new kind of ship yet still retain that name.

[EdrickV]

Originally posted by StarGunner


I don't mean to be blunt but the Corvette is too new a consept for the T-V War and it would be siliy to use ti as such......... I do not have a prob with the ship it's self but with the Class name.

Main Entry: cor·vette
Pronunciation: kor-'vet
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Middle French, probably from Middle Dutch corf, a kind of ship, literally, basket —more at CORF
Date: 1636
1 : a warship ranking in the old sailing navies next below a frigate
2 : a highly maneuverable armed escort ship that is smaller than a destroyer

The Corvette class dates back to 1636. I wouldn't call that new, particularly for a game set in the future.

[Solatar]

Also, adding a fighterbay isn't that easy. You need path data and ther things I can't do.

I don't understand why a ship class from the 1600's can't be around near the year 2300. I am taking into account everyone's suggestions. And I think we will make Frigate ( GTFg ) the Artillary cruiser ( GTAs ) the torpedo cruiser ( GTTs ) and maybe some devoted anti-fighter stuff for the Vasudans.

[EdrickV]

Originally posted by Hades
Also, adding a fighterbay isn't that easy. You need path data and ther things I can't do.

I don't understand why a ship class from the 1600's can't be around near the year 2300. I am taking into account everyone's suggestions. And I think we will make Frigate ( GTFg ) the Artillary cruiser ( GTAs ) the torpedo cruiser ( GTTs ) and maybe some devoted anti-fighter stuff for the Vasudans.

FYI, GTA and GTT are already used. (Awacs and Transports respectively.)