[Solatar]

We are having a little argument corvettes in the T-V War. The problem is, StarGunner thinks they aren't canon, but me, Thor, and a host of other people believe they are. So, what do you guys think? Corvettes, or no? Yay or nay.

[vadar_1]

corvette rymes with morvette!

tee hee

[Solatar]

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

[quadinhonic_II]

Corvettes in the FS universe, I think, were conceived cause of the Shivan impact in the GWar. Placing heavy weaponry on a small ship is basicly what a corvette is. For the Sobek entry and I quote:

"Design of the corvette class GVCv Sobek began in the dark days after the destruction of Vasuda Prime by the Shivans in the Great War. The Vasudan navy wanted a vessel that could single-handedly counter powerful Shivan cruisers and provide critical support to Vasudan destroyers in battles against Shivan capital ships."

This means that Corvettes were thought of for the FIRST time to counter the Shivan cruisers. And to support the Typhons and the later Hatshepsuts.

I dont think that the GTA or PVN had the capabilty to make corvettes in the T-V war, but I'm sure they didnt fully exclude the idea.

Also the GTA and PVN didnt have beam cannons so all a corvette would have would be Heavy and Standerd turrets, not much difference from the Levis and Atens, cept corvs have more turrets and a stronger hull. You could make a Heavy Cruiser.

I'd stick with cruisers and or medium sized carriers to replace corvette type ships.

[Thor]

First of all, the cap ship weapons are slightly improved for the T-V War Project.  They are much stronger, so in theory a corvette could be built with more/stronger weapons.  Also, that just say that the corvette GTCv Sobek was designed yada yada yada.  It DOES NOT say that corvettes where designed exclusively after the war.

Possible idea, how about a GTHc or GTCh?  stands for Galactic Terran Heavy Cruiser?  Would that please everybody?

[quadinhonic_II]

If corvettes were around pre GWar, why werent they seen in Fs1. Anythings better than a Aten or sometimes a Levi\Fenris.

If corvs can handle powerful shiv cruisers than they would have no prob agaisnt multiple levis. So why didnt the PVN or whatever make corvs to take care of the GTA in the TV war? We dont see any corvs in FS1.

And why would the GTA\PVN have stronger weaps before the GWar but have weak ones when the Shivs arrived?


G lactic T erran H eavy C ruiser *******


Your call, your camp.

[IceFire]

I don't think that the GTHC would be needed.  The Leviathan is a Heavy Cruiser and its still GTC.  GTC is a broad definition to a wide variety of Cruiser classes.  I wouldn't mind seeing some older strike cruisers and heavy cruisers.  The Leviathan and Fenris were cutting edge....in the T-V War project, I would expect to see more primitive examples....and to show the Fenris/Leviathan in their prime.  Before shields, flak and beams...by FS1 I think the Cruisers had sort of been dwarfed by the massive Orions and Typhon destroyers...which were seemingly larger than anything before.  Thats my impression...and that the Typhon was a complete surprise departure for the Vasudan navy which was probably based around smaller and more mobile craft (judging from the assault transports and whatnot).  Vasudans always had an edge in engines....Terrans in armor and weapon power.

[silverwolf]

heres what i think. i think the corvett was being planned before the shivans showed but never had the tech until fs2, so maybe you could just hint on the making of a corvett. then have one based on the pre shivan  era and it easly gets destroyed by a cruiser or a destroyer. but who knows i don't make the campain so its up to you if you think my idea is good

[Black Wolf]

Go the Heavy Cruisers - it can look, act and smell like a corvette if you want, but call it a hevy cruiser. Corvettes are just too FS2 for a prequel.

[karajorma]

You can have a corvette in the campaign but make it old and infective. It it's cheaper and more effective to just build two fenris cruisers than a single corvette then Command would have stopped production. You`ve then got 14 years for them all to get wiped out during the war.
  The dreadful performance of the first corvettes would be a reason why command treats the new corvettes as almost a new class cause in terms of firepower it is.

[tomcat]

DOOH ..this is nonsend Corvette is a class of ships .. but in real Navies corvette are weaker ships ever with the antisub role..is weaker than destroyer..so FS2 corvette where powerfull only because where designed to use the new armament beam weapons ..so is ok TW corvette

[LAW ENFORCER]

In the Navy (you can sale the seven seas) cruisers are better than destroyers arn't they? So your argument dosn't stand. Don't have corvettes, just use several cruiser types says me!

My mod has 7 core warship classes:thepimp:
just thought I'd mention that...

[Solatar]

Originally posted by karajorma
You can have a corvette in the campaign but make it old and infective. It it's cheaper and more effective to just build two fenris cruisers than a single corvette then Command would have stopped production. You`ve then got 14 years for them all to get wiped out during the war.
  The dreadful performance of the first corvettes would be a reason why command treats the new corvettes as almost a new class cause in terms of firepower it is.

That is exactly what is in the tech description for the GTCv Repulse says. They were to expensive, and not effective enough. They were all retired in 2335. The last one went down in Operation Thresher.

[StarGunner]

Originally posted by Hades


That is exactly what is in the tech description for the GTCv Repulse says. They were to expensive, and not effective enough. They were all retired in 2335. The last one went down in Operation Thresher.

I know that but that can't be true! the Corvette like stated in one post was only made after the Beam Cannon came to the GTVA so the Corvette was made to use this new weapon without it the Corvette class would not be possible, and I never said the Corvette was not Cannon it is but the mod is not because of the time frame is not right......think about what I half to say.

And to back up the other things I said about it here is a few words from the TBL of the corvette class ("new" era of ship design.)
I rest me cace.

[aldo_14]

The techroom (or FSBible) states that the Lev/Fenris was the ONLY GTA Great War cruiser, BTW. (partly why I classed my Fenris inspired ship as a 'cutter')

As for corvettes...I think a carrier / light destroyer class is more appropriate - a 'mid-range' type ship, preceeding the Orion (and lighter armed, etc).  IIRC, the :V: FS bible describes the Orion as a "destroyer/carrier", which semi-implies some sort carrier class was used before the heavier and more powerful Orion came about.   I'd say the only reason that a ship wouldn;t be in FS1, but in the Great War, would be if it was superceded and eventually became wiped ouyt (or relagated to the fringe systems).  I think a carrier superceded by the Orion fits that description, butn a corvette doesn't.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by StarGunner


I know that but that can't be true! the Corvette like stated in one post was only made after the Beam Cannon came to the GTVA... [Snip]

The current corvettes were only designed after beam cannon was invented. This doesn`t mean that there weren`t any before that time that were later retired.
 Following your logic you could also argue that the british and american navys never had corvettes either in the FS2 universe since they would have had corvettes in the 20th century and beam cannons hadn`t been invented yet in that time period either.

The corvettes in FS2 are a whole generation away from any that would have existed in FS1 and it is quite possible that the GTVA could refer to them as a whole new class in the same way that the existance of naval corvettes doesn`t prevent them from being a whole new class.
 
You have to remember that if the corvette class was proved to be  rubbish in the T/V war the GTVA waited over 30 years before trying again. That's time for almost all the officers in the GTVA who fought in the war and remember the old corvette to have been replaced. For those who follow the corvette is a radical new class that hasn`t been seen before cause the last corvette was probably destroyed/mothballed before they were even alive.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

I think that if the GTVA had them in the GW, we would have seen them.  I can understand it being a failed experiment with the tech level they had, but if there was a corvette during the GW, or before, that's about all it should be.  A failed experiment.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by IceFire
I don't think that the GTHC would be needed.  The Leviathan is a Heavy Cruiser and its still GTC.  GTC is a broad definition to a wide variety of Cruiser classes.  I wouldn't mind seeing some older strike cruisers and heavy cruisers.  The Leviathan and Fenris were cutting edge....in the T-V War project, I would expect to see more primitive examples....and to show the Fenris/Leviathan in their prime.  Before shields, flak and beams...by FS1 I think the Cruisers had sort of been dwarfed by the massive Orions and Typhon destroyers...which were seemingly larger than anything before.  Thats my impression...and that the Typhon was a complete surprise departure for the Vasudan navy which was probably based around smaller and more mobile craft (judging from the assault transports and whatnot).  Vasudans always had an edge in engines....Terrans in armor and weapon power.

Well, you'll see my take on Dark's Damocles, which is a battlecruiser -  bigger than a Fenris, but still quite far from a Deimos.

Originally posted by aldo_14
The techroom (or FSBible) states that the Lev/Fenris was the ONLY GTA Great War cruiser, BTW. (partly why I classed my Fenris inspired ship as a 'cutter')

That's pretty boring, really.  Would you really want to have a campaign that features one whole capship design, two if you include the Aten?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Shrike

That's pretty boring, really.  Would you really want to have a campaign that features one whole capship design, two if you include the Aten?

I'm not suggesting having the Fenris, etc as the only capship design (besides which, I'm sure the Vasudans had more varieties of cruiser anyway) - just the only cruiser class craft.

Anyway, capship battles were seemingly less important in the T-V war.... as losing a destroyer was seen as a massive blow to either side, and cruisers were seen as major offensive vessels (as oppossed to their cannon fodder status in FS2)

[quadinhonic_II]

Originally posted by aldo_14
The techroom (or FSBible) states that the Lev/Fenris was the ONLY GTA Great War cruiser, BTW. (partly why I classed my Fenris inspired ship as a 'cutter')

I think what its saying is that the Levi\Fenris was the only cruiser in OPERATION at the time of the GREAT WAR. Its says Great War, not the TV war.

I would myself, would have a FRIGATE as a TV war corvette like ship. Heres a quote from a dictionar\thesaures prog I have.

"Noun frigate

1. A medium size square-rigged warship of the 18th and 19th centuries

2. A United States warship larger than a destroyer and smaller than a cruiser"

I know it doesnt really apply to Fs type ships, but in the defination, it says that a frigate is smaller than a dest but larger than a cruiser. Isnt that basicly what a Corvette is...sort of?

GTFg ******  would be the short name thing.

The reason that we dont see them in Fs1 is cause they were around PRE TV-WAR era. They were like what the levi is in Fs2, old but they still have a presence in battle. But there not THAT old, that the GTA would stop building them though. They were like the Athena situation, they were "mothballed" by the Vasudans, cause the GTA didnt use them wisly or something.

This Frig would be a little fastER than a Levi\fenris, but its hull was crappy for the type of situations it would be in constently. Its weapons, would be a efficient combination of heavy, light and standerd turrets.  

Idont see any probs with making a Frig, cause I cant see any conflicts at the moment.

I'd also make a light\medium carrier type ship. It can deliver fighters in a battle. Its hull would be heavy and its guns\turrets would be MOSTLY for defensive reasons and for providing support. But their wouldnt be of turrets on it. This light carrier would enter a battle, kick out its fighters\bombers, than move to the EDGE of the battle area. The carrier would be somewhat fast, and have a realitivly sleak design, not like the Diemos, but consistent with GTA cap ships.

The orion would come along to combine Destroyer capibiltys (sort of. I dont consider the Terran Heavy Tur to be a destroying type weapon) with that of the light carrier.