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Do you currently MOD or plan on MODding C&C Renegade?

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Offline Sandwich

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on: October 22, 2002, 09:55:16 am
Does anyone here know anything? I'm currently trying to get a Merkava Mk. III in-game, but am running into a few quirks and questions. It'd help to have a community to talk with, but I hate starting out afresh in a different, probably unfriendly, community.
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Reply #1 on: October 22, 2002, 10:11:51 am
I think venom does some modding with this game but I'm not sure... (I don't have it at all)
 

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Reply #2 on: October 22, 2002, 04:36:35 pm
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I think venom does some modding with this game but I'm not sure... (I don't have it at all)


I whish I could, but I don't have enough free time. Anyway, I decided that after OTT I'd stop modding big stuff, it's too time consumming, too slow to finish, etc etc.
Anyway, there's quite a few tutorials about that, I think you should try them out sandwich ( I don't have any URL, but i saw some while doing random searches for new multi maps ).
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Reply #3 on: October 22, 2002, 05:25:56 pm
I really hate the physics engine in that game. So unless your planning to mod the source code... its not worth it.
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Reply #4 on: October 22, 2002, 07:01:43 pm
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Anyway, there's quite a few tutorials about that, I think you should try them out sandwich ( I don't have any URL, but i saw some while doing random searches for new multi maps ).


Yeah, I've ran across a bunch - there were simply a few issues I had run across as well - stuff that wouldn't be put in tutorials.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #5 on: October 22, 2002, 08:05:23 pm
i'd want to, but have no modelling skills whatsoever.

Then i'd do a WWII mod.
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Reply #6 on: October 24, 2002, 08:45:50 am
*sniff-sniff* So no-one wants to help me get this into the game? :(

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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #7 on: October 24, 2002, 09:47:13 am
Now that's nice. :yes:
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Reply #8 on: October 24, 2002, 01:33:14 pm
Whooooooooo!  Polygons!
 

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Reply #9 on: October 24, 2002, 05:21:07 pm
Thanks, Ryx!

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Whooooooooo!  Polygons!


:wtf: What do you mean by that? The Merkava's hull is composed of flat angled surfaces, like the F117 Stealth Fighter/Bomber. Besides, I have no idea what the poly limit is for Renegade, but from the detail level of the models in-game, it doesn't appear to be much different than FS2 polycount limits.

Anyway, specifically, I need help figuring out how to extract the medium tank's textures to use as a baseline starting point for the Merkava's texture job. Anyone?
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Reply #10 on: October 24, 2002, 05:25:32 pm
someone said my name?
 

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Reply #11 on: October 24, 2002, 05:40:07 pm
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Thanks, Ryx!



:wtf: What do you mean by that? The Merkava's hull is composed of flat angled surfaces, like the F117 Stealth Fighter/Bomber. Besides, I have no idea what the poly limit is for Renegade, but from the detail level of the models in-game, it doesn't appear to be much different than FS2 polycount limits.

Anyway, specifically, I need help figuring out how to extract the medium tank's textures to use as a baseline starting point for the Merkava's texture job. Anyone?


go on the official renegade website, you can download the textures from there.
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Reply #12 on: October 24, 2002, 06:16:10 pm
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go on the official renegade website, you can download the textures from there.


It is? I can't find 'em - where?
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Reply #13 on: October 25, 2002, 03:23:49 am
Found this link in the official modding forum ftp://ftp.westwood.com/pub/renegade/tools/RenegadeTextures.zip

Here's another
http://www.planetcnc.com/files/main/index.asp?category=renegade§ion=utilities

Hope, at least, one of those links help.
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Reply #14 on: October 25, 2002, 06:24:49 am
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Found this link in the official modding forum ftp://ftp.westwood.com/pub/renegade/tools/RenegadeTextures.zip

Here's another
http://www.planetcnc.com/files/main/index.asp?category=renegade§ion=utilities

Hope, at least, one of those links help.


Thanks, Ryx, but that texture pack is "only" comprised of EVERY SINGLE TEXTURE USED IN THE FRIGGIN SINGLE PLAYER MAPS!!!!!!!! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: All that and they couldn't include the vehicle textures... But I did find that MIX file extractor to apparently be what I needed - I found where the medium tank textures are, but now there's one little problem. I have no idea how to texture a vehicle - they all use those LithUnWrap-like single-file texture generated thingamabobs, which I never learned how to use. Oh well...
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Reply #15 on: October 25, 2002, 07:01:23 am
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Thanks, Ryx, but that texture pack is "only" comprised of EVERY SINGLE TEXTURE USED IN THE FRIGGIN SINGLE PLAYER MAPS!!!!!!!! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: All that and they couldn't include the vehicle textures... But I did find that MIX file extractor to apparently be what I needed - I found where the medium tank textures are, but now there's one little problem. I have no idea how to texture a vehicle - they all use those LithUnWrap-like single-file texture generated thingamabobs, which I never learned how to use. Oh well...


why don't you uvmap in gmax? it's not very complicated, there's probably a tutorial for the unwrapper in it.
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Reply #16 on: October 25, 2002, 07:11:59 am
Not the best "guide", but I hope you get the general idea.

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For MAX, I first assign Texture ID's to various parts of the mesh and then I assign a multi/subobject material and put the textures I want into the various sub-materials.
I add the UVWUnwrapper modifier and then choose the select face gizmo.
Then I start selecting faces that are... errm... share plane (sort of.) and click the "Planar Map" button.
I will then have to move/scale/rotate the UV to align the texture 'properly'.
*oh yeah, this makes sense. Best How-To ever :rolleyes:*

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If your mesh is symetrical - cut it in half (length-wise) and texture one half. Then mirror a copy and weld the two together. Works for me. :)
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Reply #17 on: October 25, 2002, 07:44:41 am
with max versions after the 3.1, you don't even need to bother with multi/sub materials, pick the map you want and assign it to the selected polys, you won't see it, but max creates automatically the multi/sub mat. no need to bother with mat IDs that way :nod:
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Reply #18 on: October 25, 2002, 07:57:01 am
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why don't you uvmap in gmax? it's not very complicated, there's probably a tutorial for the unwrapper in it.


Never done any UVMapping at all - have no idea how it goes. You mind getting online (again - sorry I missed you before) and giving me a crash course? :D
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Reply #19 on: October 25, 2002, 08:26:56 am
Is it possible to MOD new weapons for C&C Renegade as well???
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